From maxs71055 at gmail.com Tue Dec 1 00:04:49 2020 From: maxs71055 at gmail.com (Max Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 16:04:49 -0800 Subject: [NABS-L] LGBTQ World AIDS Day Message-ID: <7BD526C3-D461-46B8-8E85-5DFBCE637480@gmail.com> Pride Connection: December 1st- World AIDS Day > Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 at 10:00 PM EDT on ACB Radio Mainstream > > In 1987, the United Nations declared December 1 as World AIDS Day, a day to unite in the fight to end the HIV epidemic, support people living with HIV, and honor those who have lost their life. > > Join Gabriel, Leah, Anthony, and special guest, Tom Babcock in a discussion about the history and significance of the HIV epidemic. The LGBT community was and continues to be strongly impacted by HIV and AIDS. We will also talk about the socio-political impact on the LGBT community in the United States and around the world. > > Pride Connection airs every Tuesday at 10:00 PM EDT on ACB Radio Mainstream. You can also find Pride Connection in your favorite podcast catcher. > > For comments and suggestion, please contact Pride Connection at: > > membership at blindlgbtpride.org > From schoi09 at outlook.com Tue Dec 1 23:43:47 2020 From: schoi09 at outlook.com (Seyoon Choi) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 23:43:47 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Heads Up: New NABS NOW Episode ALERT: Holiday Hazards & hiccups Message-ID: What’s up, NABSters? I hope you’re killing those finals as this rather unforgettable fall term comes to a close. The NABS outreach committee is proud to present our last episode of the NABS NOW podcast for 2020. Listen to this month’s episode, which is all about effective ways to spend time with families during this upcoming holiday season. Listen on: NABS website: http://nabslink.org/content/listen-our-nabs-now-podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5b3mCejuKI53Krwd8SOLs2 Apple Podcast: Handling Holiday Hazards & Hiccups Google Podcast: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy8xYWRjNWZmNC9wb2RjYXN0L3Jzcw== Happy listening! Take care, Seyoon Seyoon Choi, he/him/his Board Member: Missouri Association of Blind Students Co-chair | Outreach Committee National Association of Blind Students schoi09 at outlook.com (314) 650-8306 From startrektech at techie.com Wed Dec 2 10:30:04 2020 From: startrektech at techie.com (Marvin Hunkin) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 21:00:04 +1030 Subject: [NABS-L] hyper v issues windows server for a blind student Message-ID: <002301d6c896$1bce8fe0$536bafa0$@techie.com> Hi. Have two issues using hyper v with narrator. When creating a vm, and then installing windows server 2019. Have not tried it with 2016. Narrator does not turn on, just hear caps lock on and off. And nvda does not turn on either. Also tried the audio end point builder and audio srv inside a vm, in windows server. Does not come on. Wish there was a way for narrator to detect if the client talk back to the server. Did try vm ware player, able to use the windows 10 talking installer. Did read the install screens for windows server 2019 essentials. But when it rebooted, no speech, and just the vm ware window. So no good. And virtual box kept chrashing when I tried to use it. So hyper v is built into windows 10 pro which I have. So for the most part it is accessible with jaws, nvda. So, any one got any scripts, work arounds, or how they get around it. Having to wait for sighted people to remote in to my machine, and then having to do this. Would like to set it up without sighted help. Microsoft has a gap in this space. Did give feedback on the user voice and also feeback hub if Microsoft reads my feedback. Unless you can direct me where I could contact the narrator accessibility team and also the windows server accessibility. Frustrated. Got 3 weeks to do two last practical assignments. And stressing out. Then every oen goes on vacation for a few weeks. Got till January 9 to complete my current course. If any one has had issues, being totally blind, how did they get speech, under hyper v virtual machine. Don't have access to a dedicated server. Remote connection manager, worked some times and connected, then would not do that. So just used the hyper v connection I had. And then when getting out of one of my vms, if I do a shutdown, does not go back to the host, totally chrashes my speech. If I disconnect, still get speech which is weird. Any ideas. Just frustrated Able to use nvda as don't have a jaws remote licence, going to purchase a jaws remote licence in 2021. Will beenrolling in the diploma of networking from http://www.upskilled.edu.au. Only blind student there online.. Marvin. From julialagrand at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 12:34:09 2020 From: julialagrand at gmail.com (Julia LaGrand) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2020 07:34:09 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Singing Telegrams Are Here! Message-ID: <5fc789c2.1c69fb81.b80ff.3a5b@mx.google.com> Hello, I am so excited to share that singing telegrams are here this holiday season! Members of the Performing Arts Division of the NFB are delivering singing telegrams through voice, piano, violin and accordion this year and I am thrilled to participate as a violinist! Help spread holiday cheer and send a gift to someone you love during these uncertain times. Songs can be delivered via phone call, voicemail, email or text for the three weekends coming up: December 5, December 12 or December 19. You can order a telegram for $5 at nfb-pad.org/telegrams. Happy holidays! From tyler at tysdomain.com Wed Dec 2 15:10:12 2020 From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 10:10:12 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] hyper v issues windows server for a blind student In-Reply-To: <002301d6c896$1bce8fe0$536bafa0$@techie.com> References: <002301d6c896$1bce8fe0$536bafa0$@techie.com> Message-ID: Load nvda up on a key, rename it to nvda.exe so you can install, install that device in your vm. Then just start trying paths: d:\nvda.exe E:\nvda.exe F:\nvda.exe etc. This is how I install JAWS on unfamiliar systems. If you use VMWare player, this also works. On 12/2/2020 5:30 AM, Marvin Hunkin via NABS-L wrote: > Hi. Have two issues using hyper v with narrator. > > When creating a vm, and then installing windows server 2019. Have not tried > it with 2016. Narrator does not turn on, just hear caps lock on and off. And > nvda does not turn on either. Also tried the audio end point builder and > audio srv inside a vm, in windows server. Does not come on. Wish there was a > way for narrator to detect if the client talk back to the server. Did try vm > ware player, able to use the windows 10 talking installer. Did read the > install screens for windows server 2019 essentials. But when it rebooted, no > speech, and just the vm ware window. So no good. And virtual box kept > chrashing when I tried to use it. So hyper v is built into windows 10 pro > which I have. So for the most part it is accessible with jaws, nvda. So, any > one got any scripts, work arounds, or how they get around it. Having to wait > for sighted people to remote in to my machine, and then having to do this. > Would like to set it up without sighted help. Microsoft has a gap in this > space. Did give feedback on the user voice and also feeback hub if Microsoft > reads my feedback. Unless you can direct me where I could contact the > narrator accessibility team and also the windows server accessibility. > Frustrated. Got 3 weeks to do two last practical assignments. And stressing > out. Then every oen goes on vacation for a few weeks. Got till January 9 to > complete my current course. > > If any one has had issues, being totally blind, how did they get speech, > under hyper v virtual machine. Don't have access to a dedicated server. > Remote connection manager, worked some times and connected, then would not > do that. So just used the hyper v connection I had. And then when getting > out of one of my vms, if I do a shutdown, does not go back to the host, > totally chrashes my speech. If I disconnect, still get speech which is > weird. > > Any ideas. > > Just frustrated > > Able to use nvda as don't have a jaws remote licence, going to purchase a > jaws remote licence in 2021. Will beenrolling in the diploma of networking > from http://www.upskilled.edu.au. Only blind student there online.. > > Marvin. > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com -- Take Care, Tyler Littlefield (he/him/his) Tyler Littlefield Consulting: website development and business solutions. My personal site My Linkedin @Sorressean on Twitter From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com Fri Dec 4 19:54:28 2020 From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 13:54:28 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Suggestions for Algebra and Science Class References: <35740F73-F3E7-4955-93F6-829EEAE63812.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <35740F73-F3E7-4955-93F6-829EEAE63812@yahoo.com> Hi All, I am planning on taking college algebra class and an earth/environmental science class next semester. I have thought about a few options on how to get the materials in an accessible format for me to better understand but would like your thoughts and suggestions too. I have an embosser, an InTact drawing board and eraser with the special paper, and a sensational drawing board. I also have JAWS, MathType, and Duxury on my Windows computer. Are there specfic programs or other suggestions you may have to successfully make the math and science accessible? I am attending a small private college, where they have limited resources. In addition, does anyone have a paper braille textbook with graphics and/or the kinds of material for these classes I could borrow? Thank you. Blessings, Ahbee Vice President, AABS “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV From eschlenker at cox.net Fri Dec 4 20:20:58 2020 From: eschlenker at cox.net (Emily Schlenker) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 14:20:58 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Suggestions for Algebra and Science Class In-Reply-To: <35740F73-F3E7-4955-93F6-829EEAE63812@yahoo.com> References: <35740F73-F3E7-4955-93F6-829EEAE63812@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5E0ACBFC-1037-41F5-8163-D7DB08ECE514@cox.net> Hi. It sounds like you are doing everything that you should do as a student to be prepared. I am somewhat concerned, because I really think you should speak with your college and explain to them that you are going to require additional resources. Having limited resources is not a reason for you to meet denied your materials. my question is, how do you function with math? Do you require braille or are you comfortable working only with a screen reader? You are entitled to the textbook that is being used by your peers, none of them would be expected to do the class without it. I am not sure this is what you want to hear, but it is the reality especially in math and science where access to materials can often mean passing or failing what are many times required classes. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 4, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > > I am planning on taking college algebra class and an earth/environmental science class next semester. I have thought about a few options on how to get the materials in an accessible format for me to better understand but would like your thoughts and suggestions too. I have an embosser, an InTact drawing board and eraser with the special paper, and a sensational drawing board. I also have JAWS, MathType, and Duxury on my Windows computer. Are there specfic programs or other suggestions you may have to successfully make the math and science accessible? I am attending a small private college, where they have limited resources. > In addition, does anyone have a paper braille textbook with graphics and/or the kinds of material for these classes I could borrow? > Thank you. > > Blessings, > Ahbee > > Vice President, AABS > “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” > 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.net From llanning at smumn.edu Fri Dec 4 20:40:24 2020 From: llanning at smumn.edu (Laura Lanning) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 12:40:24 -0800 Subject: [NABS-L] Suggestions for Algebra and Science Class In-Reply-To: <5E0ACBFC-1037-41F5-8163-D7DB08ECE514@cox.net> References: <35740F73-F3E7-4955-93F6-829EEAE63812@yahoo.com> <5E0ACBFC-1037-41F5-8163-D7DB08ECE514@cox.net> Message-ID: Ahbee, Thanks for your email. I also work at a small private university with students with disabilities. There are different ways that universities can get accessible books for students. If you continue to need assistance or suggestions, please feel free to contact me at llanning at smumn.edu. Good luck with your courses. Laura On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:22 PM Emily Schlenker via NABS-L < nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hi. It sounds like you are doing everything that you should do as a > student to be prepared. I am somewhat concerned, because I really think you > should speak with your college and explain to them that you are going to > require additional resources. Having limited resources is not a reason for > you to meet denied your materials. my question is, how do you function with > math? Do you require braille or are you comfortable working only with a > screen reader? You are entitled to the textbook that is being used by your > peers, none of them would be expected to do the class without it. > I am not sure this is what you want to hear, but it is the reality > especially in math and science where access to materials can often mean > passing or failing what are many times required classes. Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 4, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L > wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I am planning on taking college algebra class and an earth/environmental > science class next semester. I have thought about a few options on how to > get the materials in an accessible format for me to better understand but > would like your thoughts and suggestions too. I have an embosser, an InTact > drawing board and eraser with the special paper, and a sensational drawing > board. I also have JAWS, MathType, and Duxury on my Windows computer. Are > there specfic programs or other suggestions you may have to successfully > make the math and science accessible? I am attending a small private > college, where they have limited resources. > > In addition, does anyone have a paper braille textbook with graphics > and/or the kinds of material for these classes I could borrow? > > Thank you. > > > > Blessings, > > Ahbee > > > > Vice President, AABS > > “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it > is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is > not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in > evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always > hopes, always perseveres.” > > 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/llanning%40smumn.edu > -- *Laura Lanning* *Access Services Specialist* *pronouns: she, her, hers*OFFICE 612-728-5120 *llanning at smumn.edu * *Access Services Website , SMU Website * SGPP Accommodations *SAINT MARY’S UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA* *School of Graduate and Professional Programs* *2500 Park Avenue* *Minneapolis, MN *55404 National Center for College Students with Disabilities Mental Health and Crisis Resources From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com Fri Dec 4 21:17:31 2020 From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 15:17:31 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Suggestions for Algebra and Science Class In-Reply-To: <5E0ACBFC-1037-41F5-8163-D7DB08ECE514@cox.net> References: <5E0ACBFC-1037-41F5-8163-D7DB08ECE514@cox.net> Message-ID: <703150BB-5948-4C81-A05D-271D9F2ECFF1@yahoo.com> Hi All, To answer Emily's concern, I have contacted the person who is the disabilities services staff. I let her know of my concerns, and someone from her office sent an email to both me and my algebra professor requesting my professor for the spring semester to contact me about how to accommodate me. They have not given any excuses about accommodating for the class yet and seem open to helping me, but I thought I would reach out to yall to see if yall had any other suggestions bessides the ideas I already have that I could provide them with. I hope to be hearing from my professor soon, though. I didn't mean for the email in this thread to sound like they are not accommodating. As far as I can tell, they will work with me. Thank you for your thoughts, and I hope this email cleared up some things. Blessings, Ahbee Vice President, AABS “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV > On Dec 4, 2020, at 2:24 PM, Emily Schlenker via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi. It sounds like you are doing everything that you should do as a student to be prepared. I am somewhat concerned, because I really think you should speak with your college and explain to them that you are going to require additional resources. Having limited resources is not a reason for you to meet denied your materials. my question is, how do you function with math? Do you require braille or are you comfortable working only with a screen reader? You are entitled to the textbook that is being used by your peers, none of them would be expected to do the class without it. > I am not sure this is what you want to hear, but it is the reality especially in math and science where access to materials can often mean passing or failing what are many times required classes. Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 4, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I am planning on taking college algebra class and an earth/environmental science class next semester. I have thought about a few options on how to get the materials in an accessible format for me to better understand but would like your thoughts and suggestions too. I have an embosser, an InTact drawing board and eraser with the special paper, and a sensational drawing board. I also have JAWS, MathType, and Duxury on my Windows computer. Are there specfic programs or other suggestions you may have to successfully make the math and science accessible? I am attending a small private college, where they have limited resources. >> In addition, does anyone have a paper braille textbook with graphics and/or the kinds of material for these classes I could borrow? >> Thank you. >> >> Blessings, >> Ahbee >> >> Vice President, AABS >> “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” >> 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eschlenker%40cox.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ahbeeorton%40yahoo.com From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 16:24:58 2020 From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (Robert Parsons) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 11:24:58 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] And the Winner Is... References: Message-ID: <8566CA35-F353-4115-8441-F65DE21CCA73@gmail.com>  > Happy Saturday Friends and Family! > > > > I know I dropped the ball and I apologize. It’s just with all the important work that NABS is doing over these past few months, I got carried away. Never fear, however, Robert is here with the details on our fundraising contest and auction item race. > > The last ttime we spoke, we updated everyone on the great work that the fundraising committee is doing in soliciting small businesses and donors for items that will be auctioned off at our annual Washington Seminar event. This year, I challenged all of NABS (our board and membership) to bring in at least two auction items from a donor to qualify for a chance to win a Google Home smart speaker, generously donated by the Alpha chapter of Alpha Delta Mu national music fraternity. The deadline to complete this challenge for consideration was Thanksgiving evening and after fierce competition, I am proud to announce and Aaron Espinosa is the winner of our contest. To disclose a bit, Aaron was able to procure gift cards totalling at over $200 donated to NABS. I ask you all to congratulate Aaron for such amazing work. > > It is not too late to get in on helping our annual fundraising event become historical. I have attached the official NABS funding packet to this email for you use. NABS will still be collecting and accepting donations for auction items and monetary support. The deadline for submission of auction items is December 31, 2020 at 11:59pm. I urge you all to get in the fundraising spirit while we get into the holiday spirit this year. If you have any questions about how you can approach a business or possible donor, please feel free to contact me through this message thread or at (804) 801-7674. I have also copied a sample solicitation request for you to review and use as a template to edit and submit alongside the funding packet.Thank you all for being wonderful and being family. > > > > With Love > > > > Robert E. Parsons, Jr. > > Board Member| National Association of Blind Students > > Board Member| National Federation of the Blind of Michigan > > > From elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 19:52:05 2020 From: elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rouse) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 13:52:05 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] And the Winner Is... In-Reply-To: <8566CA35-F353-4115-8441-F65DE21CCA73@gmail.com> References: <8566CA35-F353-4115-8441-F65DE21CCA73@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wonderful job, Aaron! Thank you so much for your hard work. Congratulations, Elizabeth On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 10:26 AM Robert Parsons via NABS-L wrote: > > > Happy Saturday Friends and Family! > > > > > > > > I know I dropped the ball and I apologize. It’s just with all the > important work that NABS is doing over these past few months, I got carried > away. Never fear, however, Robert is here with the details on our > fundraising contest and auction item race. > > > > The last ttime we spoke, we updated everyone on the great work that the > fundraising committee is doing in soliciting small businesses and donors > for items that will be auctioned off at our annual Washington Seminar > event. This year, I challenged all of NABS (our board and membership) to > bring in at least two auction items from a donor to qualify for a chance to > win a Google Home smart speaker, generously donated by the Alpha chapter of > Alpha Delta Mu national music fraternity. The deadline to complete this > challenge for consideration was Thanksgiving evening and after fierce > competition, I am proud to announce and Aaron Espinosa is the winner of our > contest. To disclose a bit, Aaron was able to procure gift cards totalling > at over $200 donated to NABS. I ask you all to congratulate Aaron for such > amazing work. > > > > It is not too late to get in on helping our annual fundraising event > become historical. I have attached the official NABS funding packet to this > email for you use. NABS will still be collecting and accepting donations > for auction items and monetary support. The deadline for submission of > auction items is December 31, 2020 at 11:59pm. I urge you all to get in the > fundraising spirit while we get into the holiday spirit this year. If you > have any questions about how you can approach a business or possible donor, > please feel free to contact me through this message thread or at (804) > 801-7674. I have also copied a sample solicitation request for you to > review and use as a template to edit and submit alongside the funding > packet.Thank you all for being wonderful and being family. > > > > > > > > With Love > > > > > > > > Robert E. Parsons, Jr. > > > > Board Member| National Association of Blind Students > > > > Board Member| National Federation of the Blind of Michigan > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/elizabethrouse.nfb%40gmail.com > -- Elizabeth Rouse She/her/hers President | Iowa Association of Blind Students Co-Chair | NABS Outreach Committee Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind www.nabslink.org elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com 563-210-1854 From trishak.nfb at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 21:36:57 2020 From: trishak.nfb at gmail.com (Trisha Kulkarni) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 16:36:57 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] And the Winner Is... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A huge congratulations Aaron, and thank you to all who have and will participate! We are not able to do the work that we do without our awesome members, and I look forward to raising funds through this event to give back to all of our students. Love, Trisha Kulkarni President | National Association of Blind Students A Proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind www.nabslink.org > On Dec 5, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Elizabeth Rouse via NABS-L wrote: > > Wonderful job, Aaron! > Thank you so much for your hard work. > Congratulations, > Elizabeth > >> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 10:26 AM Robert Parsons via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> >>> Happy Saturday Friends and Family! >>> >>> >>> >>> I know I dropped the ball and I apologize. It’s just with all the >> important work that NABS is doing over these past few months, I got carried >> away. Never fear, however, Robert is here with the details on our >> fundraising contest and auction item race. >>> >>> The last ttime we spoke, we updated everyone on the great work that the >> fundraising committee is doing in soliciting small businesses and donors >> for items that will be auctioned off at our annual Washington Seminar >> event. This year, I challenged all of NABS (our board and membership) to >> bring in at least two auction items from a donor to qualify for a chance to >> win a Google Home smart speaker, generously donated by the Alpha chapter of >> Alpha Delta Mu national music fraternity. The deadline to complete this >> challenge for consideration was Thanksgiving evening and after fierce >> competition, I am proud to announce and Aaron Espinosa is the winner of our >> contest. To disclose a bit, Aaron was able to procure gift cards totalling >> at over $200 donated to NABS. I ask you all to congratulate Aaron for such >> amazing work. >>> >>> It is not too late to get in on helping our annual fundraising event >> become historical. I have attached the official NABS funding packet to this >> email for you use. NABS will still be collecting and accepting donations >> for auction items and monetary support. The deadline for submission of >> auction items is December 31, 2020 at 11:59pm. I urge you all to get in the >> fundraising spirit while we get into the holiday spirit this year. If you >> have any questions about how you can approach a business or possible donor, >> please feel free to contact me through this message thread or at (804) >> 801-7674. I have also copied a sample solicitation request for you to >> review and use as a template to edit and submit alongside the funding >> packet.Thank you all for being wonderful and being family. >>> >>> >>> >>> With Love >>> >>> >>> >>> Robert E. Parsons, Jr. >>> >>> Board Member| National Association of Blind Students >>> >>> Board Member| National Federation of the Blind of Michigan >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/elizabethrouse.nfb%40gmail.com >> > -- > Elizabeth Rouse > She/her/hers > President | Iowa Association of Blind Students > Co-Chair | NABS Outreach Committee > Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students > A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind > www.nabslink.org > elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com > 563-210-1854 > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trishak.nfb%40gmail.com From fairall at panix.com Sun Dec 6 17:30:45 2020 From: fairall at panix.com (Leslie Fairall) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 12:30:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NABS-L] Masters of Education Question In-Reply-To: <041d01d6c737$062ed6f0$128c84d0$@gmail.com> References: <041d01d6c737$062ed6f0$128c84d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Luke: Sorry for the delay in responding to you. My semester was finally over on Friday. I'm currently working on my master's degree in public administration. It is also my second master's degree since my first one is in rehabilitation counseling. My program is 12 classes, which adds up to 36 credits. I got my master's degree in rehab counseling in 2002, so it was a long time since I was in school. I started classes this past summer. It was definitely a lot of work, but I could handle it. I initially thought I would take two classes at a time, but that plan was modified this fall when I dropped my statistics class. There were so many graphs and concepts that I did not immediately understand. I've decided to take it next fall without other classes getting in the way. You mentioned you are also working on your first master's degree in seminary. I personally would finish that degree before taking on another. To me, working on two degrees would be too overwhelming. If you want to email privately, there is a link at the bottom of this message. Let us know what you decide. -- Leslie Fairall mailto:fairall at panix.com From elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 19:00:00 2020 From: elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rouse) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 13:00:00 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Join Us Next Week: The NAbS Outreach Committee Meets Again! Message-ID: Hey NABS friends and family! It’s the most wonderful time of the year! Obviously because the NABS Outreach Committee is getting together on Sunday, December 13 at 8:00 PM EST. Bringing presents is optional, but your attendance is required for fun and future planning. Join us using the below Zoom info, and reach out if you’ve got questions! Join Zoom Meeting https://zoom.us/j/4678833687 Meeting ID: 467 883 3687 One tap mobile +13017158592,,4678833687# US (Germantown) +13126266799,,4678833687# US (Chicago) And don’t forget to submit your goal or resolution for 2021, which could be featured in the January episode of NABS Now! Recored a voice memo of yourself completing one of the phrases below. “My New Year’s resolution is…” “My goal for 2021 is…” Then, send your voice memo to Elizabeth Rouse at (563) 210-1854 or by email at elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com. Happy holidays! Elizabeth -- Elizabeth Rouse She/her/hers President | Iowa Association of Blind Students Co-Chair | NABS Outreach Committee Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind www.nabslink.org elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com 563-210-1854 From hunterkuester2 at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 20:00:37 2020 From: hunterkuester2 at gmail.com (Hunter Kuester) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 14:00:37 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Attention! December fundraising meeting reminder Message-ID: Happy holidays and NABS fam, We hope you are gearing up for the end of the semester and celebrate the holidays as recorder 2020. Just a friendly reminder on behalf of the NABS fundraising committee that our next committee meeting will be next Sunday at 9 PM eastern 6 PM Pacific. We would love to feel your energy as we get closer to our upcoming fundraisers. Hope to see you all there next week! Keep it classy, Hunter Kuester -- Hunter Kuester, Travel Assistant Blindness: Learning In New Dimensions, (BLIND) Inc. 100 East 22nd Street Minneapolis, MN 55404 (612) 872-0100 ext. 234 First Vice President of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students Cell: (920)-285-8530 hunterkuester2 at gmail.com LIVE THE LIFE YOU WANT! From iliregoca at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 03:42:30 2020 From: iliregoca at gmail.com (Ilire Goca) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 22:42:30 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS-L Digest, Vol 170, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congratulations Aaron. > On Dec 6, 2020, at 7:00 AM, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org wrote: > > Send NABS-L mailing list submissions to > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NABS-L digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. And the Winner Is... (Robert Parsons) > 2. Re: And the Winner Is... (Elizabeth Rouse) > 3. Re: And the Winner Is... (Trisha Kulkarni) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 11:24:58 -0500 > From: Robert Parsons > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [NABS-L] And the Winner Is... > Message-ID: <8566CA35-F353-4115-8441-F65DE21CCA73 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > ? >> Happy Saturday Friends and Family! >> >> >> >> I know I dropped the ball and I apologize. It?s just with all the important work that NABS is doing over these past few months, I got carried away. Never fear, however, Robert is here with the details on our fundraising contest and auction item race. >> >> The last ttime we spoke, we updated everyone on the great work that the fundraising committee is doing in soliciting small businesses and donors for items that will be auctioned off at our annual Washington Seminar event. This year, I challenged all of NABS (our board and membership) to bring in at least two auction items from a donor to qualify for a chance to win a Google Home smart speaker, generously donated by the Alpha chapter of Alpha Delta Mu national music fraternity. The deadline to complete this challenge for consideration was Thanksgiving evening and after fierce competition, I am proud to announce and Aaron Espinosa is the winner of our contest. To disclose a bit, Aaron was able to procure gift cards totalling at over $200 donated to NABS. I ask you all to congratulate Aaron for such amazing work. >> >> It is not too late to get in on helping our annual fundraising event become historical. I have attached the official NABS funding packet to this email for you use. NABS will still be collecting and accepting donations for auction items and monetary support. The deadline for submission of auction items is December 31, 2020 at 11:59pm. I urge you all to get in the fundraising spirit while we get into the holiday spirit this year. If you have any questions about how you can approach a business or possible donor, please feel free to contact me through this message thread or at (804) 801-7674. I have also copied a sample solicitation request for you to review and use as a template to edit and submit alongside the funding packet.Thank you all for being wonderful and being family. >> >> >> >> With Love >> >> >> >> Robert E. Parsons, Jr. >> >> Board Member| National Association of Blind Students >> >> Board Member| National Federation of the Blind of Michigan >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 13:52:05 -0600 > From: Elizabeth Rouse > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] And the Winner Is... > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Wonderful job, Aaron! > Thank you so much for your hard work. > Congratulations, > Elizabeth > >> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 10:26 AM Robert Parsons via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> >>> Happy Saturday Friends and Family! >>> >>> >>> >>> I know I dropped the ball and I apologize. It?s just with all the >> important work that NABS is doing over these past few months, I got carried >> away. Never fear, however, Robert is here with the details on our >> fundraising contest and auction item race. >>> >>> The last ttime we spoke, we updated everyone on the great work that the >> fundraising committee is doing in soliciting small businesses and donors >> for items that will be auctioned off at our annual Washington Seminar >> event. This year, I challenged all of NABS (our board and membership) to >> bring in at least two auction items from a donor to qualify for a chance to >> win a Google Home smart speaker, generously donated by the Alpha chapter of >> Alpha Delta Mu national music fraternity. The deadline to complete this >> challenge for consideration was Thanksgiving evening and after fierce >> competition, I am proud to announce and Aaron Espinosa is the winner of our >> contest. To disclose a bit, Aaron was able to procure gift cards totalling >> at over $200 donated to NABS. I ask you all to congratulate Aaron for such >> amazing work. >>> >>> It is not too late to get in on helping our annual fundraising event >> become historical. I have attached the official NABS funding packet to this >> email for you use. NABS will still be collecting and accepting donations >> for auction items and monetary support. The deadline for submission of >> auction items is December 31, 2020 at 11:59pm. I urge you all to get in the >> fundraising spirit while we get into the holiday spirit this year. If you >> have any questions about how you can approach a business or possible donor, >> please feel free to contact me through this message thread or at (804) >> 801-7674. I have also copied a sample solicitation request for you to >> review and use as a template to edit and submit alongside the funding >> packet.Thank you all for being wonderful and being family. >>> >>> >>> >>> With Love >>> >>> >>> >>> Robert E. Parsons, Jr. >>> >>> Board Member| National Association of Blind Students >>> >>> Board Member| National Federation of the Blind of Michigan >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/elizabethrouse.nfb%40gmail.com >> > -- > Elizabeth Rouse > She/her/hers > President | Iowa Association of Blind Students > Co-Chair | NABS Outreach Committee > Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students > A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind > www.nabslink.org > elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com > 563-210-1854 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 16:36:57 -0500 > From: Trisha Kulkarni > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] And the Winner Is... > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > A huge congratulations Aaron, and thank you to all who have and will participate! We are not able to do the work that we do without our awesome members, and I look forward to raising funds through this event to give back to all of our students. > > Love, > > Trisha Kulkarni > President | National Association of Blind Students > A Proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind > www.nabslink.org > >> On Dec 5, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Elizabeth Rouse via NABS-L wrote: >> >> ?Wonderful job, Aaron! >> Thank you so much for your hard work. >> Congratulations, >> Elizabeth >> >>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 10:26 AM Robert Parsons via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Happy Saturday Friends and Family! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I know I dropped the ball and I apologize. It?s just with all the >>> important work that NABS is doing over these past few months, I got carried >>> away. Never fear, however, Robert is here with the details on our >>> fundraising contest and auction item race. >>>> >>>> The last ttime we spoke, we updated everyone on the great work that the >>> fundraising committee is doing in soliciting small businesses and donors >>> for items that will be auctioned off at our annual Washington Seminar >>> event. This year, I challenged all of NABS (our board and membership) to >>> bring in at least two auction items from a donor to qualify for a chance to >>> win a Google Home smart speaker, generously donated by the Alpha chapter of >>> Alpha Delta Mu national music fraternity. The deadline to complete this >>> challenge for consideration was Thanksgiving evening and after fierce >>> competition, I am proud to announce and Aaron Espinosa is the winner of our >>> contest. To disclose a bit, Aaron was able to procure gift cards totalling >>> at over $200 donated to NABS. I ask you all to congratulate Aaron for such >>> amazing work. >>>> >>>> It is not too late to get in on helping our annual fundraising event >>> become historical. I have attached the official NABS funding packet to this >>> email for you use. NABS will still be collecting and accepting donations >>> for auction items and monetary support. The deadline for submission of >>> auction items is December 31, 2020 at 11:59pm. I urge you all to get in the >>> fundraising spirit while we get into the holiday spirit this year. If you >>> have any questions about how you can approach a business or possible donor, >>> please feel free to contact me through this message thread or at (804) >>> 801-7674. I have also copied a sample solicitation request for you to >>> review and use as a template to edit and submit alongside the funding >>> packet.Thank you all for being wonderful and being family. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> With Love >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Robert E. Parsons, Jr. >>>> >>>> Board Member| National Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> Board Member| National Federation of the Blind of Michigan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/elizabethrouse.nfb%40gmail.com >>> >> -- >> Elizabeth Rouse >> She/her/hers >> President | Iowa Association of Blind Students >> Co-Chair | NABS Outreach Committee >> Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students >> A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >> www.nabslink.org >> elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com >> 563-210-1854 >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trishak.nfb%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of NABS-L Digest, Vol 170, Issue 5 > ************************************** From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com Tue Dec 8 19:34:16 2020 From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 13:34:16 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Accessibility of MyMathLab References: Message-ID: Hi All, I learned today that my college algebra professor uses MyMathLab for online homework assignments. Do any of you know how a accessible this platform is? Thank you. Sincerely, Ahbee Vice President, AABS “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV From nmabuelhawa at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 20:47:09 2020 From: nmabuelhawa at gmail.com (Naim Abu-ElHawa) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 15:47:09 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Accessibility of MyMathLab In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi. From my experience, my math lab is pretty accessible. I used it in my college statistics course last semester (spring.). All in all, the tools are pretty usable. The homework assignments are typically either open ended or multiple choice, and the quizzes are pretty straightforward multiple-choice. Of course however, your professor will have discretion as to how they want to curate the questions. In short, it should be about 95% accessible. Many thanks and much respect. Good luck on math, Sincerely, Naim Muawia Abu-El Hawa On Tuesday, December 8, 2020, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: > Hi All, > > I learned today that my college algebra professor uses MyMathLab for > online homework assignments. Do any of you know how a accessible this > platform is? > Thank you. > > Sincerely, > Ahbee > > Vice President, AABS > “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is > not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not > easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil > but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always > hopes, always perseveres.” > 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ > nmabuelhawa%40gmail.com > From lakeria2009 at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 20:48:47 2020 From: lakeria2009 at gmail.com (LaKeria Taylor) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 14:48:47 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Accessibility of MyMathLab In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's not all that acessible. I used the remote feature on zoom to get sighted help with my homework. On 12/8/20, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: > Hi All, > > I learned today that my college algebra professor uses MyMathLab for online > homework assignments. Do any of you know how a accessible this platform is? > Thank you. > > Sincerely, > Ahbee > > Vice President, AABS > “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is > not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not > easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil > but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always > hopes, always perseveres.” > 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lakeria2009%40gmail.com > From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu Tue Dec 8 21:57:50 2020 From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 21:57:50 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Legislative Alert: Don't Take Away Our ADA Message-ID: Fellow Blind Students: The new bipartisan, bi-cameral COVID-19 relief bills being proposed in Congress will likely contain some form of COVID-19 liability waiver for businesses. We are concerned that this business liability relief may echo some of the language contained in Section 181 of the SAFE TO WORK Act, which attempted to grant exemptions to ADA requirements during the pandemic. For more information on the exemptions in question, please read President Riccobono’s opposition letter to Senator Cornyn sent back in August when there was an attempt to suspend ADA protections using COVID-19 as an excuse. The details of the new bill have not been finalized yet, which makes now the perfect time for us to call or email to make sure Congress knows that we will not stand for the erosion of our rights. When you call or email your senators or representative you might say something like: "Hello, my name is [YOUR NAME], and I am a constituent of [SENATOR/REPRESENTATIVE NAME]. I live in [CITY, STATE]. I strongly urge you to ensure the rights of all disabled Americans are protected in the upcoming COVID-19 relief legislation by maintaining the critical protections of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). Please do not allow for any business liability exemptions that will erode the crucial protections for disabled Americans set forth in the ADA. Thank you.” You can contact your senators and representative by calling the Capitol Switchboard and asking for the office in question. The number is 202-224-3121. If you email your members of Congress, please copy John Paré at jpare at nfb.org. Your calls and emails do make a difference. We recommend you call or email the legislative director in your member’s office. If you need the name and email of the appropriate staff person for any Senate or House office, please email Jesa Medders at jmedders at nfb.org. Thank you so much for doing your part! It’s your ADA, and it’s my ADA. Don’t let them take it away! Justin Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury he/him/his Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind (808) 797-8606 president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 From nmabuelhawa at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 22:16:44 2020 From: nmabuelhawa at gmail.com (Naim Abu-ElHawa) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 17:16:44 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Accessibility of MyMathLab In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi. Interesting to hear that, my experience was quite different. I use jaws and I worked on it in the spring semester of 2020. I had to buy the $60 access, I think that was the price. I was taking a statistics course, so it was not inaccessible but the concepts were heavy. Many thanks and much respect. Sincerely, Naim On Tuesday, December 8, 2020, LaKeria Taylor via NABS-L wrote: > It's not all that acessible. I used the remote feature on zoom to get > sighted help with my homework. > > On 12/8/20, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I learned today that my college algebra professor uses MyMathLab for > online > > homework assignments. Do any of you know how a accessible this platform > is? > > Thank you. > > > > Sincerely, > > Ahbee > > > > Vice President, AABS > > “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it > is > > not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not > > easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in > evil > > but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always > > hopes, always perseveres.” > > 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ > lakeria2009%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ > nmabuelhawa%40gmail.com > From rgallegos at nagdu.org Tue Dec 8 23:45:45 2020 From: rgallegos at nagdu.org (Raul A. Gallegos (NFB)) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2020 17:45:45 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] NAGDU is inviting you to a special town hall meeting to answer questions about the Department of Transportation Final Regulations on Traveling by Air with Service Animals Message-ID: The National Association of Guide Dog Users is inviting you to a special town hall meeting, which will be held this Thursday, December 10 at 8 PM Eastern time. The meeting will last for one hour and the meeting will be recorded. The purpose of this meeting is to answer your questions about the new ruling that the Department of Transportation has published regarding air travel with service animals. The link to the announcement and the PDF is here: https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/final-rule-traveling-air-service-animals The direct-download of the PDF is here: https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2020-12/Final%20Service%20Animal%20Rule.pdf When joining, there are a few things to keep in mind. 1. Since these are final rules, they will go into effect thirty days after the announcement. 2. We will answer questions to the best of our abilities, and we will obtain clarification from the DOT as needed. 3. It might be best to come with prepared questions, but also know that someone else might ask the question before you do. In order to try and keep the meeting moving, we will answer one question from one person, then move onto another person to give them a chance. 4. You are free to email questions ahead of time so we can compile a list prior to the meeting. Questions can be emailed to board at nagdu.org with the word, question, in the subject. The meeting connection information follows; Topic: NAGDU TownHall Meeting Time: Dec 10, 2020 08:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada) Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/87528839249 Meeting ID: 875 2883 9249 One tap mobile +13462487799,,87528839249# US (Houston) +16699006833,,87528839249# US (San Jose) Dial by your location +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 929 205 6099 US (New York) +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington D.C) Meeting ID: 875 2883 9249 Find your local number: https://us02web.zoom.us/u/kemzLGuk2y -- Raul A. Gallegos President: National Association of Guide Dog Users First Vice President: National Federation of the Blind of Texas 832.554.7285 | RGallegos at nagdu.org rgallegos at nagdu.org "Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap." -- Dr. Kenneth Jernigan From aidatalic99 at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 00:51:30 2020 From: aidatalic99 at gmail.com (Aida Talic) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 18:51:30 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] =?utf-8?q?You=E2=80=99re_invited_=3A_Missouri_Associati?= =?utf-8?q?on_of_blind_Students_movie_night_=E2=9D=84=EF=B8=8F?= Message-ID: <2ABE9827-D232-4857-BA56-4206FDCE162C@gmail.com> Hello my fellow students! It’s the most wonderful time of the year! Which is why the Missouri Association of blind Students is delighted to invite you and your Friends and family to our holiday movie night. This holiday social will be hosted on Friday, December 18 at 6 PM CST over Zoom. We will be watching “How The Grinch Stole Christmas”. Your presence is requested, and don’t forget your popcorn and hot chocolate! Join Zoom Meeting https://slu.zoom.us/j/95774977854 Meeting ID: 957 7497 7854 One tap mobile +13017158592,95774977854# US (Washington D.C) +13126266799,95774977854# US (Chicago) See you then!! Aida Talic Vice President : Missouri Association of Blind Students Aida.talic at outlook.com (314)461-5820 From bonnoday at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 00:30:27 2020 From: bonnoday at gmail.com (bonnoday at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 18:30:27 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Ski for Light Virtual Event Message-ID: Ski for Light International Event: Virtually Everywhere! While we wish we could gather in person, the 46th Annual Ski for Light International Event is going virtual. The COVID-19 pandemic has created many disruptions and hardships, but it can't prevent the Ski for Light family from exercising our creativity and our bodies, from connecting, or from sharing and learning via technology. Join us Wednesday, January 27, through Saturday, January 30, for this event, featuring three to four hours of optional daily programming on the Zoom platform, plus opportunities and encouragement to challenge yourself offline. We are planning a fitness program to get your blood pumping, special interest sessions to expand your knowledge, and a closing banquet full of comedy, song, and celebration. And for the first time, SFL attendance will be free! Each registrant will receive an embroidered Ski for Light patch and an SFL-logoed resistance band (handy for home strength training and stretching), while supplies last. We hope to welcome many newcomers to our community with this uniquely accessible demonstration of our motto: "If we can do this (in a pandemic), we can do anything!" Though hosting a virtual "skiing" event has some obvious challenges, it also means that anyone with an interest can drop in and learn why veteran attendees find SFL gatherings so enriching. What a fantastic chance for those who might have been thinking about attending for years, to get over that snow-mogul hump of indecision! So, skiers, guides, and the simply curious, please make plans now to join this year's virtual adventure. More details and the short application form for the event are posted at www.sfl.org/events/next. Come Zoom with us in January, and soon we'll be back out on the trails with each other, zooming for real! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The course could be Introductory >Chemistry, General Chemistry, or Organic Chemistry. > >We are offering a $100 honorarium to our interview >participants. The interview will be over Zoom and scheduled for >50-minutes. During the interview, our participants will interact >with 1-2 prototypes and answer a series of questions. We will be >conducting our interview over the month of January 2021. > >Would you be willing to share my information with any students who >might be interested in participating? I can be reached at >shirley.hino at mheducation.com or >563.552.6345. > >Thank you in advance. > >--Shirley > > >Shirley Hino, Ph.D. | Sr. Director of Digital Content, Chemistry | >Higher Ed Group >McGraw Hill | 83 South King Street, Suite 400 | Seattle, WA 98104 >T: 206.926.6974 | M: 563.552.6345 | >shirley.hino at mheducation.com >----- > >Ione Priest, >CPACC >| Accessibility Technology Manager >Pronouns: she, her, hers >Access Center >Metropolitan State University of Denver >Campus Box 56, P.O. Box 173362, Denver, CO 80217-3362 >303-615-0200 (office) >720-778-5662 (fax) >ipriest at msudenver.edu | >www.msudenver.edu/access >MSU Denver logo: >Metropolitan State University of Denver > >This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use >of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential >information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or >distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, >please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy >all copies of the original message. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1b8dc5.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14590 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gene.sh.kim at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 06:05:53 2020 From: gene.sh.kim at gmail.com (Gene Kim) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 22:05:53 -0800 Subject: [NABS-L] 5 Days Left - Register for the NABS At Large Seminar! Message-ID: Heya Neighborly NABSters! Happy almost Friday! Sending all those in the thick of exams, projects, and presentations strength and encouragement to finish the semester strong. This is a heads up that registration for the virtual NABS At Large Seminar, themed “Speaking Up and Branching Out” (January 9 – 10, 2021) will be closing next Tuesday. You absolutely don’t want to miss this awesome opportunity to level up your public speaking prowess and confidence. Whether you’ve been delivering polished speeches for years or just starting to develop interest in becoming a more effective communicator, this seminar’s got you covered with interactive activities, guest speakers, philosophical discussions, and so much more. Don’t push this until later—register here or using the link below! https://forms.gle/pGrq8jg2TTa2opETA If you are in need of financial assistance to pay the $25 registration fee, please contact Trisha Kulkarni at nabs.president at gmail.com. Wishing you my best, Gene -- Gene Sung-Ho Kim | B.S. Candidate, Symbolic Systems | Stanford University Social Media Coordinator | National Association of Blind Students Secretary | California Association of Blind Students From sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 16:57:38 2020 From: sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com (Sami Osborne) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 11:57:38 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Questions about Facebook and Zoom Message-ID: <5fd3a508.1c69fb81.e6617.27a3@mx.google.com> Hi all, I hope this message finds everyone safe and well. I just have some questions that I hope someone can answer. My music school will be holding a virtual end-of-the-year recital next Wednsday, and I was thinking about inviting my friends and family to the Zoom call so they can here me playing the piano. However, some of my relatives live in France, and I'd like to know if Zoom is supported internationally or only in the United States. For one thing, the main domain name for Zoom is "zoomddus" rather than discom or disorg like most websites. In addition, every single time I've received an email invitation to a Zoom call, they always list phone numbers where you can dial in from different US area codes, but they never say anything about joining in from another country. So I was just curious whether anyone has insite on this. I did join a Zoom information session about my potential graduate school aab a month ago, and there were actually a lot of international participants on that call, but I'm not sure if they joined from the same link as me or if it was different. Similarly, I also plan to post the video of my performance on Facebook for anyone who is unable to attend the recital. However, I'm wondering whether Facebook would allow me to post the video. I have watched very short videos and some longer ones on Facebook, although the latter is usually from people going live. When posting videos directly from my phone camera, I really don't know whether Facebook would allow me to do so, since the video I made is approximately five minutes long (I found out it's 293 MB in size, including both the sound and image). I hope someone can shed some light on either or both of these two queries for me. Thanks, Sami From elana.c03 at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 17:17:18 2020 From: elana.c03 at gmail.com (Elana Charles) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 11:17:18 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Questions about Facebook and Zoom In-Reply-To: <5fd3a508.1c69fb81.e6617.27a3@mx.google.com> References: <5fd3a508.1c69fb81.e6617.27a3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <51D62FBF-4646-4718-A686-B6A7CD70A691@gmail.com> Yeah I believe you can post a long video of five minutes or more on Facebook. I’m not totally sure about the answer to your zoom question but I think they would be able to access the same link. Thanks and have a great day Elana Elana Charles Secretary of The Wisconsin Association of blind students A proud division of the National Federation for the Blind of Wisconsin. Secretary of the National Association of Blind Students Legislative and self advocacy committee (920-559-6383) you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here:https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 > On Dec 11, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all, > > I hope this message finds everyone safe and well. > > I just have some questions that I hope someone can answer. > > My music school will be holding a virtual end-of-the-year recital next Wednsday, and I was thinking about inviting my friends and family to the Zoom call so they can here me playing the piano. However, some of my relatives live in France, and I'd like to know if Zoom is supported internationally or only in the United States. For one thing, the main domain name for Zoom is "zoomddus" rather than discom or disorg like most websites. In addition, every single time I've received an email invitation to a Zoom call, they always list phone numbers where you can dial in from different US area codes, but they never say anything about joining in from another country. So I was just curious whether anyone has insite on this. I did join a Zoom information session about my potential graduate school aab a month ago, and there were actually a lot of international participants on that call, but I'm not sure if they joined from the same link as me or if it was different. > > Similarly, I also plan to post the video of my performance on Facebook for anyone who is unable to attend the recital. However, I'm wondering whether Facebook would allow me to post the video. I have watched very short videos and some longer ones on Facebook, although the latter is usually from people going live. When posting videos directly from my phone camera, I really don't know whether Facebook would allow me to do so, since the video I made is approximately five minutes long (I found out it's 293 MB in size, including both the sound and image). > > I hope someone can shed some light on either or both of these two queries for me. > > Thanks, > > Sami > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/elana.c03%40gmail.com From gene.sh.kim at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 18:12:47 2020 From: gene.sh.kim at gmail.com (Gene Kim) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 10:12:47 -0800 Subject: [NABS-L] Questions about Facebook and Zoom In-Reply-To: <51D62FBF-4646-4718-A686-B6A7CD70A691@gmail.com> References: <5fd3a508.1c69fb81.e6617.27a3@mx.google.com> <51D62FBF-4646-4718-A686-B6A7CD70A691@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Sami, I can confirm yes to both of your questions! I've posted videos on Facebook that are longer than 5 minutes before (I was using a laptop but I'd be surprised if it didn't work via phone) and I've had zoom meetings where international participants have joined using a zoom link that had zoom.us in the domain. I have definitely seen zoom invitations that include an international dial in numbers along with the domestic ones, but I think that perk is reserved for top-paying premium account holders which is why you may not have seen it included in many invitations. Best of luck preparing for the recital! Kindly, Gene -- Gene Sung-Ho Kim | B.S. Candidate, Symbolic Systems | Stanford University Social Media Coordinator | National Association of Blind Students Secretary | California Association of Blind Students On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 9:18 AM Elana Charles via NABS-L wrote: > Yeah I believe you can post a long video of five minutes or more on > Facebook. I’m not totally sure about the answer to your zoom question but I > think they would be able to access the same link. Thanks and have a great > day > Elana > > Elana Charles > Secretary of The Wisconsin Association of blind students A proud > division of the National Federation for the Blind of Wisconsin. > Secretary of the National Association of Blind Students Legislative and > self advocacy committee > (920-559-6383) > > you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher > education, please tell your story here: > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 > > > > > On Dec 11, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I hope this message finds everyone safe and well. > > > > I just have some questions that I hope someone can answer. > > > > My music school will be holding a virtual end-of-the-year recital next > Wednsday, and I was thinking about inviting my friends and family to the > Zoom call so they can here me playing the piano. However, some of my > relatives live in France, and I'd like to know if Zoom is supported > internationally or only in the United States. For one thing, the main > domain name for Zoom is "zoomddus" rather than discom or disorg like most > websites. In addition, every single time I've received an email invitation > to a Zoom call, they always list phone numbers where you can dial in from > different US area codes, but they never say anything about joining in from > another country. So I was just curious whether anyone has insite on this. I > did join a Zoom information session about my potential graduate school aab > a month ago, and there were actually a lot of international participants on > that call, but I'm not sure if they joined from the same link as me or if > it was different. > > > > Similarly, I also plan to post the video of my performance on Facebook > for anyone who is unable to attend the recital. However, I'm wondering > whether Facebook would allow me to post the video. I have watched very > short videos and some longer ones on Facebook, although the latter is > usually from people going live. When posting videos directly from my phone > camera, I really don't know whether Facebook would allow me to do so, since > the video I made is approximately five minutes long (I found out it's 293 > MB in size, including both the sound and image). > > > > I hope someone can shed some light on either or both of these two > queries for me. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sami > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/elana.c03%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gene.sh.kim%40gmail.com > From zdreicer at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 18:15:20 2020 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 11:15:20 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Questions about Facebook and Zoom In-Reply-To: <51D62FBF-4646-4718-A686-B6A7CD70A691@gmail.com> References: <51D62FBF-4646-4718-A686-B6A7CD70A691@gmail.com> Message-ID: I’ve done significantly long videos both live and from the camera roll, both have been uploaded fine. I am pretty sure, like more than 99 1/2% sure, that zoom can be accessed from all over the world – as there is a link for international dialing locations. Happy Hanukkah and merry Christmas to all! “Live the life you want” -National Federation of the Blind Sent from my iPhone 12 Using VoiceOver > On Dec 11, 2020, at 10:18, Elana Charles via NABS-L wrote: > > Yeah I believe you can post a long video of five minutes or more on Facebook. I’m not totally sure about the answer to your zoom question but I think they would be able to access the same link. Thanks and have a great day > Elana > > Elana Charles > Secretary of The Wisconsin Association of blind students A proud division of the National Federation for the Blind of Wisconsin. > Secretary of the National Association of Blind Students Legislative and self advocacy committee > (920-559-6383) > > you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here:https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 > > > >> On Dec 11, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I hope this message finds everyone safe and well. >> >> I just have some questions that I hope someone can answer. >> >> My music school will be holding a virtual end-of-the-year recital next Wednsday, and I was thinking about inviting my friends and family to the Zoom call so they can here me playing the piano. However, some of my relatives live in France, and I'd like to know if Zoom is supported internationally or only in the United States. For one thing, the main domain name for Zoom is "zoomddus" rather than discom or disorg like most websites. In addition, every single time I've received an email invitation to a Zoom call, they always list phone numbers where you can dial in from different US area codes, but they never say anything about joining in from another country. So I was just curious whether anyone has insite on this. I did join a Zoom information session about my potential graduate school aab a month ago, and there were actually a lot of international participants on that call, but I'm not sure if they joined from the same link as me or if it was different. >> >> Similarly, I also plan to post the video of my performance on Facebook for anyone who is unable to attend the recital. However, I'm wondering whether Facebook would allow me to post the video. I have watched very short videos and some longer ones on Facebook, although the latter is usually from people going live. When posting videos directly from my phone camera, I really don't know whether Facebook would allow me to do so, since the video I made is approximately five minutes long (I found out it's 293 MB in size, including both the sound and image). >> >> I hope someone can shed some light on either or both of these two queries for me. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Sami >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/elana.c03%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From rosarioi4 at southernct.edu Fri Dec 11 21:27:03 2020 From: rosarioi4 at southernct.edu (Rosario, Isabel M.) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 21:27:03 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Holiday Raffle & movie night Message-ID: Hey everyone! Hope you all are doing well and that your semester is wrapping up nicely! The Connecticut Association of Blind Students Is celebrating this holiday season by having a raffle. The prize is an accessible game basket! The games include: braille Uno, regular braille playing cards, an accessible connect four, a raised dominos set, and a beeping frisbee! The value of the basket is $70. If you’re interested in getting an entry for a chance to win please reach out to me at: rosarioi4 at southernct.edu One ticket will get you an entry into the raffle, the more entries you have the more chances you have to win! Tickets are only a dollar! The winner of the basket will be announced on our next membership call on Monday, December 21 at 7 PM. Once the winner is announced we will be showing a Christmas movie that is not yet determined! Even if you don't want to enter the raffle and would like to join us please feel free to reach out to me for the call in information! Best regards, Isabel Rosario President| Connecticut Association of Blind Students Secretary| Connecticut Association of Guide Dog Users www.nfbct.org Direct Phone: 203-993-3045 From elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 17:00:00 2020 From: elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rouse) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 11:00:00 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Final Reminder: December Outreach Call Sunday the 13th at 8:00 PM EST Message-ID: Hey NABSters! We hope this message finds you absolutely destroying your final papers, exams, and/or presentations, but we all need a study break now and again. :) So… Join the NABS Outreach Committee on Sunday, December 13 at 8:00 PM EST. We may be reaching the end of 2020, but our work won’t stop just because the year reaches its end. We need your input and ideas to keep pushing forward. An organization is only as strong as its membership after all! Join us using the Zoom information below, and take care of yourselves in the coming weeks! Join Zoom Meeting https://zoom.us/j/4678833687 Meeting ID: 467 883 3687 One tap mobile +13017158592,,4678833687# US (Germantown) +13126266799,,4678833687# US (Chicago) Happy holidays, Elizabeth -- Elizabeth Rouse She/her/hers President | Iowa Association of Blind Students Co-Chair | NABS Outreach Committee Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind www.nabslink.org elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com 563-210-1854 From hunterkuester2 at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 18:19:14 2020 From: hunterkuester2 at gmail.com (Hunter Kuester) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 12:19:14 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Important reminder! NABS fundraising committee meeting Sunday, December 13 9 PM Eastern 6 PM Pacific Message-ID: Seasons greetings NABS, The NABS fundraising committee hopes your finals are going well as we all approach the holiday season. Just a friendly reminder that we will be holding our December monthly meeting this Sunday, December 13 at 9 PM Eastern 6 PM Pacific. We hope you can share some of your Sunday night with us. Cozy on upto the fire, and bring your hot chocolate. To join us: Join Zoom Meeting https://zoom.us/j/4678833687 Meeting ID: 467 883 3687 One tap mobile +13017158592,,4678833687# US (Germantown) +13126266799,,4678833687# US ( https://zoom.us/j/4678833687 Meeting ID: 467 883 3687 One tap mobile +13017158592,,4678833687# US (Germantown) +13126266799,,4678833687# US (Chicago) Keep it classy, Hunter Kuester Co-Chair NABS fundraising committee -- Hunter Kuester, Travel Assistant Blindness: Learning In New Dimensions, (BLIND) Inc. 100 East 22nd Street Minneapolis, MN 55404 (612) 872-0100 ext. 234 First Vice President of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students Cell: (920)-285-8530 hunterkuester2 at gmail.com LIVE THE LIFE YOU WANT! From jp7002200 at gmail.com Sun Dec 13 13:08:00 2020 From: jp7002200 at gmail.com (Juan Parra) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 05:08:00 -0800 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint Message-ID: Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation’s blind. From danielle.montour1 at gmail.com Sun Dec 13 14:04:55 2020 From: danielle.montour1 at gmail.com (Danielle Montour) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 08:04:55 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: good morning, As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I’d like the answer to this, as well. before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn’t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. With careful optimism, Danielle (she/her/hers) Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: > > Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue of sexual > harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. > > As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS should > boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth is when it > comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct and insuring > predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation’s blind. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1%40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Sun Dec 13 18:15:14 2020 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 13:15:14 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Marching Together Message-ID: <035901d6d17b$e7cad2a0$b76077e0$@gmail.com> Dear Students, It is difficult to write a collective statement on a topic that is so personal and individualistic. This message is not at all meant to silence our experiences. First, thank you so much to our members for your bravery and heart in bringing light to issues that must be addressed both in the greater NFB and also in NABS. It has been heartbreaking to see the scope of sexual misconduct testimonies in our organization, and new conversations have definitely been sparked in our leadership and with members about how we can do better. Please know that we stand with you, we believe you, we do not shy away from you, and we have zero tolerance for sexual misconduct across our work, whether at in-person events, committee meetings, membership calls, or on social media. However, as a student survivor discussed with us yesterday, we need to go beyond standing and take steps forward. What has been so challenging to read, and I am certain even more devastating to experience, is the fact that a wealth of stories share an identity in common, being a student. In that sense, it seems even more important to ensure that our members and leaders have a seat at the table as we push for change, rather than creating another divide. In all honesty, we are still working to determine our next steps, but we know for certain that it starts with listening. We want to create spaces for students to share their experiences and ideas. Currently, we are planning an open forum, but if you have thoughts you want to share, don't hesitate to reach out. Know that we care and want to hear from you, regardless of what's on your mind. In Solidarity, Trisha Kulkarni President | National Association of Blind Students A Proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org From jty727 at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 01:37:54 2020 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 20:37:54 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] December Legislative & Self Advocacy Committee Reminder Message-ID: <519B6955-66CB-40CB-93AB-E9625978A32D@hxcore.ol> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jp7002200 at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 06:29:38 2020 From: jp7002200 at gmail.com (Juan Parra) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 22:29:38 -0800 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation’s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love’s money. We must do something guy’s the youth are the future of the NFB. If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion Honestly, the thing the NFB hate’s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out at this year’s national convention. We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. > On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: > > good morning, > As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I’d like the answer to this, as well. > before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn’t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. > There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. > > With careful optimism, > Danielle (she/her/hers) > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue of sexual >> harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >> >> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS should >> boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth is when it >> comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct and insuring >> predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation’s blind. >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1%40gmail.com From leena.salim at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 06:37:59 2020 From: leena.salim at gmail.com (leena.salim at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 01:37:59 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ae201d6d1e3$aa6c8b70$ff45a250$@gmail.com> I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via NABS-L Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM To: Danielle Montour Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation’s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love’s money. We must do something guy’s the youth are the future of the NFB. If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion Honestly, the thing the NFB hate’s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out at this year’s national convention. We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. > On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: > > good morning, > As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I’d like the answer to this, as well. > before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn’t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. > There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. > > With careful optimism, > Danielle (she/her/hers) > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue of >> sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >> >> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct and >> insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation’s blind. >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1 >> %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gmail.com From dkouniaris at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 06:50:14 2020 From: dkouniaris at gmail.com (Dimitrios Kouniaris) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 00:50:14 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint In-Reply-To: <4ae201d6d1e3$aa6c8b70$ff45a250$@gmail.com> References: <4ae201d6d1e3$aa6c8b70$ff45a250$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3EA793D3-6E19-4A49-B6B3-44FBE8863215@gmail.com> As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can’t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don’t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy’s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! Warm Regards, Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com > On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: > > I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM > To: Danielle Montour > Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > > As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. > > That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. > > The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation’s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. > > All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. > > How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love’s money. We must do something guy’s the youth are the future of the NFB. > > If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion > > Honestly, the thing the NFB hate’s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. > > Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. > > We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. > > We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out at this year’s > > national convention. > > We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. > > The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. > > >> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >> >> good morning, >> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I’d like the answer to this, as well. >> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn’t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >> >> With careful optimism, >> Danielle (she/her/hers) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue of >>> sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>> >>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct and >>> insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation’s blind. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1 >>> %40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmail.com From mauraloberg at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 12:50:48 2020 From: mauraloberg at gmail.com (Maura Loberg) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 06:50:48 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint In-Reply-To: <3EA793D3-6E19-4A49-B6B3-44FBE8863215@gmail.com> References: <3EA793D3-6E19-4A49-B6B3-44FBE8863215@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3B2E5F61-09D9-459E-A819-C06C1A6F0C09@gmail.com> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! Maura J. Loberg Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President | Nebraska Association of Blind Students > On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: > >  As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! > This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can’t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don’t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy’s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! > > Warm Regards, > Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris > Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 > Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com > >> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >> >> I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >> To: Danielle Montour >> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >> >> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >> >> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >> >> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation’s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >> >> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >> >> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love’s money. We must do something guy’s the youth are the future of the NFB. >> >> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >> >> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate’s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >> >> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >> >> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >> >> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out at this year’s >> >> national convention. >> >> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >> >> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >> >> >>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>> >>> good morning, >>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I’d like the answer to this, as well. >>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn’t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>> >>> With careful optimism, >>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue of >>>> sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>> >>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct and >>>> insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation’s blind. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1 >>>> %40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com From amyralbin at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 13:09:16 2020 From: amyralbin at gmail.com (Amy Albin) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:09:16 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Dues Message-ID: Hi Trisha, May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me the link? Thanks. From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu Mon Dec 14 14:18:40 2020 From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:18:40 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint In-Reply-To: <3B2E5F61-09D9-459E-A819-C06C1A6F0C09@gmail.com> References: <3EA793D3-6E19-4A49-B6B3-44FBE8863215@gmail.com> <3B2E5F61-09D9-459E-A819-C06C1A6F0C09@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone, We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. Aloha, Justin Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury he/him/his Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students    A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind (808) 797-8606 president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform   If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Maura Loberg Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! Maura J. Loberg Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President | Nebraska Association of Blind Students > On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: > >  As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! > This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can’t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don’t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy’s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! > > Warm Regards, > Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris > Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 > Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com > >> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >> >> I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >> To: Danielle Montour >> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >> Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >> >> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >> >> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >> >> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation’s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >> >> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >> >> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love’s money. We must do something guy’s the youth are the future of the NFB. >> >> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >> >> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate’s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >> >> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >> >> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >> >> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >> at this year’s >> >> national convention. >> >> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >> >> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >> >> >>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>> >>> good morning, >>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I’d like the answer to this, as well. >>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn’t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>> >>> With careful optimism, >>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>> >>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation’s blind. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>> r1 >>>> %40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >> il.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >> l.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai > l.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu From r-bacchus at outlook.com Mon Dec 14 14:46:01 2020 From: r-bacchus at outlook.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:46:01 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint In-Reply-To: References: <3EA793D3-6E19-4A49-B6B3-44FBE8863215@gmail.com> <3B2E5F61-09D9-459E-A819-C06C1A6F0C09@gmail.com>, Message-ID: What is going on? Did I miss something this weekend? On Dec 14, 2020 9:19 AM, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: Hi everyone, We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. Aloha, Justin Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury he/him/his Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind (808) 797-8606 president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Maura Loberg Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! Maura J. Loberg Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President | Nebraska Association of Blind Students > On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: > >  As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! > This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can’t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don’t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy’s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! > > Warm Regards, > Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris > Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 > Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com > >> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >> >> I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >> To: Danielle Montour >> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >> Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >> >> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >> >> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >> >> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation’s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >> >> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >> >> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love’s money. We must do something guy’s the youth are the future of the NFB. >> >> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >> >> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate’s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >> >> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >> >> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >> >> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >> at this year’s >> >> national convention. >> >> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >> >> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >> >> >>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>> >>> good morning, >>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I’d like the answer to this, as well. >>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn’t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>> >>> With careful optimism, >>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>> >>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation’s blind. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>> r1 >>>> %40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >> il.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >> l.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai > l.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/r-bacchus%40outlook.com From bestca21 at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 15:00:31 2020 From: bestca21 at gmail.com (Caitlin Best) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 07:00:31 -0800 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint In-Reply-To: References: <3EA793D3-6E19-4A49-B6B3-44FBE8863215@gmail.com> <3B2E5F61-09D9-459E-A819-C06C1A6F0C09@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you for your words, Justin. I believe you when you say there will be change, and I am hoping that is true. Reading so many accounts of misconduct has brought up a lot of memories of my own, which I have written about on my social media account. For those who are curious and I don't know personally, just know I am a victim and a survivor. I will not be accepting requests from people I do not already know or don't feel comfortable with. With so many stories comes a lot of pain and reliving trauma, and for those of us who have experienced sexual assault, harassment, physical violence, emotional or verbal abuse know that I am with you. I am here for you. I believe you. If at all you feel like you need to talk, please consider seeking professional help to start the healing process and mend those wounds. You may be surprised how just talking about it helps along with learning coping skills to handle those unbearable moments of discomfort, anxiety, and panic. We may not be able to change our pasts, but we have the ability to change the future--not just for us, but for future students and future generations of blind people. #MarchingTogether Sincerely, Caitlin On 12/14/20, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about > what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I > think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us > feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. > > Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say > that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. > I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm > not afraid to join here. > > From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've > never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we > have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been > treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. > > Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, > organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring > conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished > statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing > that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; > I don't speak passive aggressive that well. > > Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck > country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be > the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a > really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, > agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm > part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's > because I'm from New England. I don't know. > > Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative > suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy > suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people > where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm > hoping that we can as a team. > > My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are > genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the > best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, > and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. > I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd > like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched > me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. > > Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell > anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how > to do the right thing. > > You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to > get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope > we can heal together. > > Aloha, > > Justin > > > Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury > he/him/his > > Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >    A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind > (808) 797-8606 > president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org > > If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform > > > If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher > education, please tell your story here: > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via > NABS-L > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Maura Loberg > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > > If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the > scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much > corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they > really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion > in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy > changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and > marching together. Sending love! > > Maura J. Loberg > Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President > | Nebraska Association of Blind Students > > >> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >>  As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP >> program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to >> my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. >> Especially our national president! >> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be >> taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses >> to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to >> do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to >> this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can’t come >> forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be >> taken! We don’t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until >> these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to >> suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are >> taught are good, but policy’s need to be changed, and the bad apples need >> to go! >> >> Warm Regards, >> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >> >>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the >>> assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and >>> religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my >>> personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I >>> have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken >>> advantage of which is sick! >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>> To: Danielle Montour >>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>> Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> >>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we >>> are working on the issue. >>> >>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to >>> settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone >>> will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for >>> change, but nothing will happen. >>> >>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they >>> are the future of the so-called voice of the nation’s blind and the abuse >>> continues for another generation. >>> >>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen >>> is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard >>> there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam >>> knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed >>> to work their even after so many complaints. >>> >>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not >>> pay dues because the NFB love’s money. We must do something guy’s the >>> youth are the future of the NFB. >>> >>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>> >>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate’s more than losing money is losing >>> members to the ACB. >>> >>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a >>> BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was >>> given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined >>> to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>> >>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc >>> until the NFB changes. >>> >>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>> at this year’s >>> >>> national convention. >>> >>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>> >>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>> >>> >>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> good morning, >>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization >>>> happened at a Blind students seminar, I’d like the answer to this, as >>>> well. >>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children >>>> when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. >>>> Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms >>>> of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the >>>> survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good >>>> number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds >>>> right now, and they wouldn’t be able to be part of an organization that >>>> values children, either. >>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that >>>> breaks today. >>>> >>>> With careful optimism, >>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to >>>>> do about it. >>>>> >>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the >>>>> nation’s blind. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>> r1 >>>>> %40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >> l.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com > From ktisalycia98 at icloud.com Mon Dec 14 15:28:46 2020 From: ktisalycia98 at icloud.com (Alycia Howard) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:28:46 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday Madness Message-ID: <825ADF92-1F1A-4CD2-9984-016D322D884A@icloud.com> Hello everyone, happy Monday! 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I hope this finds you on a good start to the week. Coming at you with another reminder that that registration for the virtual NABS At Large Seminar, themed “Speaking Up and Branching Out” (January 9 – 10, 2021) is closing tomorrow evening! You absolutely don’t want to miss this awesome opportunity to level up your public speaking skills and confidence. Whether you’ve been delivering polished speeches for years or just starting to develop interest in becoming a more effective communicator, this seminar’s got you covered with interactive activities, guest speakers, philosophical discussions, and so much more. Don’t push this until later—register here or using the link below! > https://forms.gle/pGrq8jg2TTa2opETA > > If you are in need of financial assistance to pay the $25 registration > fee, please contact Trisha Kulkarni at nabs.president at gmail.com. > > > > Warmly, > Gene > > -- > > Gene Sung-Ho Kim | B.S. Candidate, Symbolic Systems | Stanford University > > Social Media Coordinator | National Association of Blind Students > > Secretary | California Association of Blind Students > From tyler at tysdomain.com Tue Dec 15 02:45:07 2020 From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:45:07 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site Message-ID: CVStats is an accessible website for displaying Covid19 data for those who are blind or visually impaired. When the pandemic began and still to this day, most news sources and articles display data in graphs, or as a type of visual representation that is hard, if not impossible for those using screen readers or who are low vision to understand. My goal in creating this site was to find a way to gather data that people might find useful and present it in a form that is easy to read, understand and navigate. To date, the site currently enables viewing data as a global set of statistics, by state in the United States, and by county in the United states, with more to come. I accept feature requests (although I may not be able to complete them given that I also work a full job), but I will do my best, as well as comments and issues. Please visit https://cvstats.net I hope this resource is useful to you, and please feel free to share this with anyone you feel might be able to make use of it. Stay Safe, Ty -- Take Care, Tyler Littlefield (he/him/his) tyler at tysdomain.com https://cvstats.net Tyler has asked me to circulate the below message. This is a very useful sight, and he has done a good job of making a difficult presentation completely accessible to screen reader users. Dave From nabs.president at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 05:10:17 2020 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 00:10:17 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Dues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <06ab01d6d2a0$94692f50$bd3b8df0$@gmail.com> Sent it your way 😊 -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Amy Albin via NABS-L Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:09 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Amy Albin Subject: [NABS-L] Dues Hi Trisha, May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me the link? Thanks. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com From jp7002200 at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 13:47:46 2020 From: jp7002200 at gmail.com (Juan Parra) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 05:47:46 -0800 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint Message-ID: Justen/NABS, what exactly is NABS doing/working on to address this problem? I also want you to give me examples of getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment. I semi believe you. You are the same person that gets your articles published in the Braille Monitor with ease and you also like to brag about your long streak of having an article published in I forgot which NFB related/affiliated publication. I think it might have been the Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness. So, can you give me examples of you getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment because I am not buying it. > On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:03 AM, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org wrote: > > Send NABS-L mailing list submissions to > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NABS-L digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Maura Loberg) > 2. Dues (Amy Albin) > 3. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Justin Salisbury) > 4. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Roanna Bacchus) > 5. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Caitlin Best) > 6. MNABS Monday Madness (Alycia Howard) > 7. MNABS Monday madness cont. (Alycia Howard) > 8. Time Is Running Out - The NABS At Large Seminar Registration > Deadline Is Tomorrow (Gene Kim) > 9. CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site > (Littlefield, Tyler) > 10. Re: Dues (Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 06:50:48 -0600 > From: Maura Loberg > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > Message-ID: <3B2E5F61-09D9-459E-A819-C06C1A6F0C09 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! > > Maura J. Loberg > Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 > President > | Nebraska Association of Blind Students > > >> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >> >> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >> >> Warm Regards, >> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>> To: Danielle Montour >>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> >>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>> >>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>> >>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>> >>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>> >>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>> >>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>> >>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>> >>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>> >>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>> >>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out at this year?s >>> >>> national convention. >>> >>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>> >>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>> >>> >>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>> >>>> ?good morning, >>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>> >>>> With careful optimism, >>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue of >>>>> sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>> >>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct and >>>>> insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1 >>>>> %40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:09:16 -0500 > From: Amy Albin > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [NABS-L] Dues > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi Trisha, > > May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me > the link? Thanks. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:18:40 +0000 > From: Justin Salisbury > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi everyone, > > We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. > > Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. > > From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. > > Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. > > Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. > > Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. > > My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. > > Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. > > You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. > > Aloha, > > Justin > > > Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury > he/him/his > > Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students > ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind > (808) 797-8606 > president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org > > If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform ? > > If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Maura Loberg > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > > If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! > > Maura J. Loberg > Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President > | Nebraska Association of Blind Students > > >> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >> >> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >> >> Warm Regards, >> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>> To: Danielle Montour >>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>> Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> >>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>> >>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>> >>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>> >>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>> >>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>> >>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>> >>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>> >>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>> >>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>> >>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>> at this year?s >>> >>> national convention. >>> >>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>> >>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>> >>> >>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>> >>>> ?good morning, >>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>> >>>> With careful optimism, >>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>> >>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>> r1 >>>>> %40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >> l.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:46:01 +0000 > From: Roanna Bacchus > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > What is going on? Did I miss something this weekend? > > On Dec 14, 2020 9:19 AM, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. > > Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. > > From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. > > Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. > > Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. > > Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. > > My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. > > Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. > > You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. > > Aloha, > > Justin > > > Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury > he/him/his > > Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students > A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind > (808) 797-8606 > president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org > > If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform > > If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Maura Loberg > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > > If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! > > Maura J. Loberg > Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President > | Nebraska Association of Blind Students > > >> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >> >> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >> >> Warm Regards, >> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>> To: Danielle Montour >>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>> Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> >>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>> >>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>> >>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>> >>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>> >>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>> >>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>> >>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>> >>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>> >>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>> >>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>> at this year?s >>> >>> national convention. >>> >>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>> >>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>> >>> >>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>> >>>> ?good morning, >>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>> >>>> With careful optimism, >>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>> >>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>> r1 >>>>> %40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >> l.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/r-bacchus%40outlook.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 07:00:31 -0800 > From: Caitlin Best > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Thank you for your words, Justin. I believe you when you say there > will be change, and I am hoping that is true. Reading so many accounts > of misconduct has brought up a lot of memories of my own, which I have > written about on my social media account. For those who are curious > and I don't know personally, just know I am a victim and a survivor. I > will not be accepting requests from people I do not already know or > don't feel comfortable with. > > With so many stories comes a lot of pain and reliving trauma, and for > those of us who have experienced sexual assault, harassment, physical > violence, emotional or verbal abuse know that I am with you. I am here > for you. I believe you. If at all you feel like you need to talk, > please consider seeking professional help to start the healing process > and mend those wounds. You may be surprised how just talking about it > helps along with learning coping skills to handle those unbearable > moments of discomfort, anxiety, and panic. We may not be able to > change our pasts, but we have the ability to change the future--not > just for us, but for future students and future generations of blind > people. #MarchingTogether > Sincerely, > Caitlin > >> On 12/14/20, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about >> what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I >> think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us >> feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >> >> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say >> that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. >> I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm >> not afraid to join here. >> >> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've >> never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we >> have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been >> treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >> >> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, >> organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring >> conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished >> statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing >> that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; >> I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >> >> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck >> country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be >> the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a >> really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, >> agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm >> part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's >> because I'm from New England. I don't know. >> >> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative >> suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy >> suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people >> where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm >> hoping that we can as a team. >> >> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are >> genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the >> best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, >> and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. >> I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd >> like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched >> me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >> >> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell >> anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how >> to do the right thing. >> >> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to >> get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope >> we can heal together. >> >> Aloha, >> >> Justin >> >> >> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >> he/him/his >> >> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >> (808) 797-8606 >> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >> >> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >> >> >> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher >> education, please tell your story here: >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Maura Loberg >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >> >> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the >> scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much >> corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they >> really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion >> in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy >> changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and >> marching together. Sending love! >> >> Maura J. Loberg >> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >> >> >>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP >>> program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to >>> my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. >>> Especially our national president! >>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be >>> taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses >>> to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to >>> do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to >>> this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come >>> forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be >>> taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until >>> these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to >>> suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are >>> taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need >>> to go! >>> >>> Warm Regards, >>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the >>>> assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and >>>> religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my >>>> personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I >>>> have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken >>>> advantage of which is sick! >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>> Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> >>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we >>>> are working on the issue. >>>> >>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to >>>> settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone >>>> will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for >>>> change, but nothing will happen. >>>> >>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they >>>> are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse >>>> continues for another generation. >>>> >>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen >>>> is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard >>>> there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam >>>> knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed >>>> to work their even after so many complaints. >>>> >>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not >>>> pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the >>>> youth are the future of the NFB. >>>> >>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>> >>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing >>>> members to the ACB. >>>> >>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a >>>> BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was >>>> given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined >>>> to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>> >>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc >>>> until the NFB changes. >>>> >>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>> at this year?s >>>> >>>> national convention. >>>> >>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>> >>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?good morning, >>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization >>>>> happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as >>>>> well. >>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children >>>>> when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. >>>>> Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms >>>>> of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the >>>>> survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good >>>>> number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds >>>>> right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that >>>>> values children, either. >>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that >>>>> breaks today. >>>>> >>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to >>>>>> do about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the >>>>>> nation?s blind. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>> r1 >>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>> il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>> l.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:28:46 -0600 > From: Alycia Howard > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday Madness > Message-ID: <825ADF92-1F1A-4CD2-9984-016D322D884A at icloud.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hello everyone, happy Monday! To celebrate the end of the semester, come hang out with friends at MNABS Monday madness tonight, starting at 7 PM central. We look forward to seeing you all there! > > https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 > > Alycia Howard, Secretary of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:43:13 -0600 > From: Alycia Howard > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday madness cont. > Message-ID: <438B9513-2240-4CA8-AF8A-E77FC23E40C1 at icloud.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I realized I forgot to put the rest of the meeting details into my last email. Hope to see you all at Monday madness tonight at 7 PM Central. > > Topic: MNABS Monday Madness > > Time: This is a recurring meeting Meet anytime > > > > Join Zoom Meeting > > https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 > > > > Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 > > Passcode: 7ZiFp! > > One tap mobile > > +16513728299,,92700794823#,,,,,,0#,,729734# US (Minnesota) > > +13017158592,,92700794823#,,,,,,0#,,729734# US (Washington D.C) > > > > Dial by your location > > +1 651 372 8299 US (Minnesota) > > +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington D.C) > > +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) > > +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) > > +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) > > +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) > > +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) > > Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 > > Passcode: 729734 > > Find your local number: https://umn.zoom.us/u/axyPdL6DK > > > > Join by SIP > > 92700794823 at zoomcrc.com > > > > Join by H.323 > > 162.255.37.11 (US West) > > 162.255.36.11 (US East) > > 221.122.88.195 (China) > > 115.114.131.7 (India Mumbai) > > 115.114.115.7 (India Hyderabad) > > 213.19.144.110 (Amsterdam Netherlands) > > 213.244.140.110 (Germany) > > 103.122.166.55 (Australia) > > 209.9.211.110 (Hong Kong SAR) > > 149.137.40.110 (Singapore) > > 64.211.144.160 (Brazil) > > 69.174.57.160 (Canada) > > 207.226.132.110 (Japan) > > Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 > > Passcode: 729734 > > Alycia Howard, Secretary of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 12:34:56 -0800 > From: Gene Kim > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [NABS-L] Time Is Running Out - The NABS At Large Seminar > Registration Deadline Is Tomorrow > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hello NABS! > > I hope this finds you on a good start to the week. Coming at you with > another reminder that that registration for the virtual NABS At Large > Seminar, themed ?Speaking Up and Branching Out? (January 9 ? 10, 2021) is > closing tomorrow evening! You absolutely don?t want to miss this awesome > opportunity to level up your public speaking skills and confidence. Whether > you?ve been delivering polished speeches for years or just starting to > develop interest in becoming a more effective communicator, this seminar?s > got you covered with interactive activities, guest speakers, philosophical > discussions, and so much more. Don?t push this until later?register here > or using the link below! > >> https://forms.gle/pGrq8jg2TTa2opETA >> >> If you are in need of financial assistance to pay the $25 registration >> fee, please contact Trisha Kulkarni at nabs.president at gmail.com. >> >> >> >> Warmly, >> > Gene >> >> -- >> >> Gene Sung-Ho Kim | B.S. Candidate, Symbolic Systems | Stanford University >> >> Social Media Coordinator | National Association of Blind Students >> >> Secretary | California Association of Blind Students >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:45:07 -0600 > From: "Littlefield, Tyler" (by way of David > Andrews ) > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > Subject: [NABS-L] CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > CVStats is an accessible website for displaying Covid19 data for > those who are blind or visually impaired. When the pandemic began and > still to this day, > most news sources and articles display data in graphs, or as a type > of visual representation that is hard, if not impossible for those > using screen readers > or who are low vision to understand. My goal in creating this site > was to find a way to gather data that people might find useful and > present it in a form > that is easy to read, understand and navigate. > > To date, the site currently enables viewing data as a global set of > statistics, by state in the United States, and by county in the > United states, with > more to come. I accept feature requests (although I may not be able > to complete them given that I also work a full job), but I will do my > best, as well > as comments and issues. > > Please visit > https://cvstats.net > > I hope this resource is useful to you, and please feel free to share > this with anyone you feel might be able to make use of it. > > Stay Safe, > > Ty > > -- > > Take Care, > Tyler Littlefield (he/him/his) > tyler at tysdomain.com > https://cvstats.net > > > Tyler has asked me to circulate the below message. This is a very > useful sight, and he has done a good job of making a difficult > presentation completely accessible to screen reader users. > > Dave > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 00:10:17 -0500 > From: "Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President" > > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dues > Message-ID: <06ab01d6d2a0$94692f50$bd3b8df0$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Sent it your way ? > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Amy Albin via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:09 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Amy Albin > Subject: [NABS-L] Dues > > Hi Trisha, > > May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me the link? Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of NABS-L Digest, Vol 170, Issue 13 > *************************************** From trishak.nfb at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 16:08:43 2020 From: trishak.nfb at gmail.com (Trisha Kulkarni) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 11:08:43 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Juan and All, I speak on behalf of NABS leadership when I say that the past two weeks have been heartbreaking but also extremely motivating to make our organization a safe and inclusive place for all. We have already invited members to reach out with ideas for how our student division can improve, and we have been in constant communication about action that needs to be taken. However, in working toward a safer community, this mailing list will not be used to accuse members of lying about their experiences. Not only is it hurtful and counterproductive, it will not be tolerated. No surviver deserves to be unheard or unwelcome, and making demands will not be how we move forward together. Trisha Kulkarni President | National Association of Blind Students A Proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind www.nabslink.org > On Dec 15, 2020, at 8:50 AM, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: > > Justen/NABS, what exactly is NABS doing/working on to address this problem? > > I also want you to give me examples of getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment. I semi believe you. You are the same person that gets your articles published in the Braille Monitor with ease and you also like to brag about your long streak of having an article published in I forgot which NFB related/affiliated publication. I think it might have been the Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness. > > So, can you give me examples of you getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment because I am not buying it. > > >> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:03 AM, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org wrote: >> >> Send NABS-L mailing list submissions to >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of NABS-L digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Maura Loberg) >> 2. Dues (Amy Albin) >> 3. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Justin Salisbury) >> 4. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Roanna Bacchus) >> 5. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Caitlin Best) >> 6. MNABS Monday Madness (Alycia Howard) >> 7. MNABS Monday madness cont. (Alycia Howard) >> 8. Time Is Running Out - The NABS At Large Seminar Registration >> Deadline Is Tomorrow (Gene Kim) >> 9. CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site >> (Littlefield, Tyler) >> 10. Re: Dues (Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 06:50:48 -0600 >> From: Maura Loberg >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >> Message-ID: <3B2E5F61-09D9-459E-A819-C06C1A6F0C09 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >> >> Maura J. Loberg >> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 >> President >> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >> >> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>> >>> Warm Regards, >>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> >>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>> >>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>> >>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>> >>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>> >>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>> >>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>> >>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>> >>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>> >>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>> >>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out at this year?s >>>> >>>> national convention. >>>> >>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>> >>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?good morning, >>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>> >>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue of >>>>>> sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct and >>>>>> insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1 >>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:09:16 -0500 >> From: Amy Albin >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: [NABS-L] Dues >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Hi Trisha, >> >> May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me >> the link? Thanks. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:18:40 +0000 >> From: Justin Salisbury >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >> >> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. >> >> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >> >> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >> >> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. >> >> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. >> >> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >> >> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. >> >> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. >> >> Aloha, >> >> Justin >> >> >> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >> he/him/his >> >> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >> (808) 797-8606 >> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >> >> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform ? >> >> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Maura Loberg >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >> >> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >> >> Maura J. Loberg >> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >> >> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>> >>> Warm Regards, >>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>> Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> >>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>> >>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>> >>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>> >>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>> >>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>> >>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>> >>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>> >>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>> >>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>> >>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>> at this year?s >>>> >>>> national convention. >>>> >>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>> >>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?good morning, >>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>> >>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>> r1 >>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>> il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>> l.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:46:01 +0000 >> From: Roanna Bacchus >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> What is going on? Did I miss something this weekend? >> >> On Dec 14, 2020 9:19 AM, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >> >> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. >> >> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >> >> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >> >> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. >> >> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. >> >> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >> >> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. >> >> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. >> >> Aloha, >> >> Justin >> >> >> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >> he/him/his >> >> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >> A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >> (808) 797-8606 >> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >> >> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >> >> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Maura Loberg >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >> >> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >> >> Maura J. Loberg >> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >> >> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>> >>> Warm Regards, >>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>> Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> >>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>> >>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>> >>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>> >>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>> >>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>> >>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>> >>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>> >>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>> >>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>> >>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>> at this year?s >>>> >>>> national convention. >>>> >>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>> >>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?good morning, >>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>> >>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>> r1 >>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>> il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>> l.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/r-bacchus%40outlook.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 07:00:31 -0800 >> From: Caitlin Best >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Thank you for your words, Justin. I believe you when you say there >> will be change, and I am hoping that is true. Reading so many accounts >> of misconduct has brought up a lot of memories of my own, which I have >> written about on my social media account. For those who are curious >> and I don't know personally, just know I am a victim and a survivor. I >> will not be accepting requests from people I do not already know or >> don't feel comfortable with. >> >> With so many stories comes a lot of pain and reliving trauma, and for >> those of us who have experienced sexual assault, harassment, physical >> violence, emotional or verbal abuse know that I am with you. I am here >> for you. I believe you. If at all you feel like you need to talk, >> please consider seeking professional help to start the healing process >> and mend those wounds. You may be surprised how just talking about it >> helps along with learning coping skills to handle those unbearable >> moments of discomfort, anxiety, and panic. We may not be able to >> change our pasts, but we have the ability to change the future--not >> just for us, but for future students and future generations of blind >> people. #MarchingTogether >> Sincerely, >> Caitlin >> >>>> On 12/14/20, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about >>> what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I >>> think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us >>> feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>> >>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say >>> that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. >>> I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm >>> not afraid to join here. >>> >>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've >>> never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we >>> have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been >>> treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >>> >>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, >>> organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring >>> conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished >>> statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing >>> that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; >>> I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>> >>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck >>> country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be >>> the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a >>> really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, >>> agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm >>> part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's >>> because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>> >>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative >>> suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy >>> suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people >>> where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm >>> hoping that we can as a team. >>> >>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are >>> genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the >>> best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, >>> and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. >>> I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd >>> like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched >>> me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>> >>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell >>> anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how >>> to do the right thing. >>> >>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to >>> get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope >>> we can heal together. >>> >>> Aloha, >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>> he/him/his >>> >>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>> (808) 797-8606 >>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>> >>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: >>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >>> >>> >>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher >>> education, please tell your story here: >>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> >>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the >>> scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much >>> corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they >>> really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion >>> in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy >>> changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and >>> marching together. Sending love! >>> >>> Maura J. Loberg >>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP >>>> program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to >>>> my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. >>>> Especially our national president! >>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be >>>> taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses >>>> to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to >>>> do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to >>>> this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come >>>> forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be >>>> taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until >>>> these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to >>>> suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are >>>> taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need >>>> to go! >>>> >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the >>>>> assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and >>>>> religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my >>>>> personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I >>>>> have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken >>>>> advantage of which is sick! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>> NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>> Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>> >>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we >>>>> are working on the issue. >>>>> >>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to >>>>> settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone >>>>> will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for >>>>> change, but nothing will happen. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they >>>>> are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse >>>>> continues for another generation. >>>>> >>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen >>>>> is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard >>>>> there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam >>>>> knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed >>>>> to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>> >>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not >>>>> pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the >>>>> youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing >>>>> members to the ACB. >>>>> >>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a >>>>> BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was >>>>> given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined >>>>> to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc >>>>> until the NFB changes. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>> at this year?s >>>>> >>>>> national convention. >>>>> >>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization >>>>>> happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as >>>>>> well. >>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children >>>>>> when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. >>>>>> Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms >>>>>> of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the >>>>>> survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good >>>>>> number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds >>>>>> right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that >>>>>> values children, either. >>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that >>>>>> breaks today. >>>>>> >>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to >>>>>>> do about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the >>>>>>> nation?s blind. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>> l.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:28:46 -0600 >> From: Alycia Howard >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday Madness >> Message-ID: <825ADF92-1F1A-4CD2-9984-016D322D884A at icloud.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Hello everyone, happy Monday! To celebrate the end of the semester, come hang out with friends at MNABS Monday madness tonight, starting at 7 PM central. We look forward to seeing you all there! >> >> https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 >> >> Alycia Howard, Secretary of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:43:13 -0600 >> From: Alycia Howard >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday madness cont. >> Message-ID: <438B9513-2240-4CA8-AF8A-E77FC23E40C1 at icloud.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> I realized I forgot to put the rest of the meeting details into my last email. Hope to see you all at Monday madness tonight at 7 PM Central. >> >> Topic: MNABS Monday Madness >> >> Time: This is a recurring meeting Meet anytime >> >> >> >> Join Zoom Meeting >> >> https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 >> >> >> >> Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 >> >> Passcode: 7ZiFp! >> >> One tap mobile >> >> +16513728299,,92700794823#,,,,,,0#,,729734# US (Minnesota) >> >> +13017158592,,92700794823#,,,,,,0#,,729734# US (Washington D.C) >> >> >> >> Dial by your location >> >> +1 651 372 8299 US (Minnesota) >> >> +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington D.C) >> >> +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) >> >> +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) >> >> +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) >> >> +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) >> >> +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) >> >> Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 >> >> Passcode: 729734 >> >> Find your local number: https://umn.zoom.us/u/axyPdL6DK >> >> >> >> Join by SIP >> >> 92700794823 at zoomcrc.com >> >> >> >> Join by H.323 >> >> 162.255.37.11 (US West) >> >> 162.255.36.11 (US East) >> >> 221.122.88.195 (China) >> >> 115.114.131.7 (India Mumbai) >> >> 115.114.115.7 (India Hyderabad) >> >> 213.19.144.110 (Amsterdam Netherlands) >> >> 213.244.140.110 (Germany) >> >> 103.122.166.55 (Australia) >> >> 209.9.211.110 (Hong Kong SAR) >> >> 149.137.40.110 (Singapore) >> >> 64.211.144.160 (Brazil) >> >> 69.174.57.160 (Canada) >> >> 207.226.132.110 (Japan) >> >> Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 >> >> Passcode: 729734 >> >> Alycia Howard, Secretary of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 12:34:56 -0800 >> From: Gene Kim >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: [NABS-L] Time Is Running Out - The NABS At Large Seminar >> Registration Deadline Is Tomorrow >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Hello NABS! >> >> I hope this finds you on a good start to the week. Coming at you with >> another reminder that that registration for the virtual NABS At Large >> Seminar, themed ?Speaking Up and Branching Out? (January 9 ? 10, 2021) is >> closing tomorrow evening! You absolutely don?t want to miss this awesome >> opportunity to level up your public speaking skills and confidence. Whether >> you?ve been delivering polished speeches for years or just starting to >> develop interest in becoming a more effective communicator, this seminar?s >> got you covered with interactive activities, guest speakers, philosophical >> discussions, and so much more. Don?t push this until later?register here >> or using the link below! >> >>> https://forms.gle/pGrq8jg2TTa2opETA >>> >>> If you are in need of financial assistance to pay the $25 registration >>> fee, please contact Trisha Kulkarni at nabs.president at gmail.com. >>> >>> >>> >>> Warmly, >>> >> Gene >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Gene Sung-Ho Kim | B.S. Candidate, Symbolic Systems | Stanford University >>> >>> Social Media Coordinator | National Association of Blind Students >>> >>> Secretary | California Association of Blind Students >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:45:07 -0600 >> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" (by way of David >> Andrews ) >> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [NABS-L] CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> >> CVStats is an accessible website for displaying Covid19 data for >> those who are blind or visually impaired. When the pandemic began and >> still to this day, >> most news sources and articles display data in graphs, or as a type >> of visual representation that is hard, if not impossible for those >> using screen readers >> or who are low vision to understand. My goal in creating this site >> was to find a way to gather data that people might find useful and >> present it in a form >> that is easy to read, understand and navigate. >> >> To date, the site currently enables viewing data as a global set of >> statistics, by state in the United States, and by county in the >> United states, with >> more to come. I accept feature requests (although I may not be able >> to complete them given that I also work a full job), but I will do my >> best, as well >> as comments and issues. >> >> Please visit >> https://cvstats.net >> >> I hope this resource is useful to you, and please feel free to share >> this with anyone you feel might be able to make use of it. >> >> Stay Safe, >> >> Ty >> >> -- >> >> Take Care, >> Tyler Littlefield (he/him/his) >> tyler at tysdomain.com >> https://cvstats.net >> >> >> Tyler has asked me to circulate the below message. This is a very >> useful sight, and he has done a good job of making a difficult >> presentation completely accessible to screen reader users. >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 00:10:17 -0500 >> From: "Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President" >> >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dues >> Message-ID: <06ab01d6d2a0$94692f50$bd3b8df0$@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Sent it your way ? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Amy Albin via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:09 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Amy Albin >> Subject: [NABS-L] Dues >> >> Hi Trisha, >> >> May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me the link? Thanks. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of NABS-L Digest, Vol 170, Issue 13 >> *************************************** > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kulkarnitrisha909%40gmail.com From schoi09 at outlook.com Tue Dec 15 17:39:38 2020 From: schoi09 at outlook.com (Seyoon Choi) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 17:39:38 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] =?utf-8?q?Reminder=3A_Join_Us_for_Missouri_Association_?= =?utf-8?q?of_Blind_Students_Holiday_Movie_Night=2C_This_Friday_at_6_PM_CS?= =?utf-8?b?VCEg4p2E77iP?= Message-ID: What’s up students? It’s the most wonderful time of the year! To celebrate, the Missouri Association of blind Students is delighted to invite you and your Friends and family to our holiday movie night this Friday, December 18 at 6 PM CST. We will be watching “How The Grinch Stole Christmas”. Your presence is requested, and don’t forget your popcorn and hot chocolate! Join Zoom Meeting https://slu.zoom.us/j/95774977854 Meeting ID: 957 7497 7854 One tap mobile +13017158592,95774977854# US (Washington D.C) +13126266799,95774977854# US (Chicago) See you then!! Seyoon, Seyoon Choi, he/him/his Board Member: Missouri Association of Blind Students Co-chair | Outreach Committee National Association of Blind Students schoi09 at outlook.com (314) 650-8306 From sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 22:58:56 2020 From: sami.j.osborne97 at gmail.com (Sami Osborne) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 17:58:56 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint Message-ID: <5fd93fb2.1c69fb81.156e4.05a3@mx.google.com> Juan, I am not a list moderator, but I honestly have reservations about you being allowed to remain on this list. It seems to me like all you've done since you subscribed is to post negative comments on this thread, whether based in reality or not. You never made an intro to introduce yourself to us, nor have you contributed to any other thread as far as I'm aware. I have no idea how long you've been  on here, but I don't recall you participating in any other discussions. If you don't like/are frustrated with the way a certain organization is being operated, then you just leave. Plain and simple; no one will force you to stay if you don't want to. That being said, I'm not trying to bring  you down or anything of that nature. I just don't like to see discussions turning into heated arguments. As Trisha said, making accusations, whether  unfounded or not,  is simply not tolerated on here. We want to see action taken, not simply making judgements, assumptions, or generalizations. With that said, if you've come on here to help out the NFB, I'm sure we'd all love to here any constructive ideas/criticisms you might have. Otherwise, to put it bluntly, I don't see any point of you being on this list if all you're going to do is stay negative. Whenever one is in a frustrating situation, it's better to (A) run away from the situation entirely, or, even better, (B) feel confident, if not optimistic, that the issue will be resolved. Like I said, you don't have to be part of an email listserve, let alone an entire organization, if you don't want to. As for the assaults/abuse themselves, I think part of the reason people aren't sharing specifics on here is because these allegations are of a rather sexual nature, and are much too graphic for constructive dialogue. I'm not a survivor myself, so I'm not sure if this is the case with everyone, but I think most survivors would rather, like I said, either forget about the situation entirely, or move forward and take real action for fellow survivors, so that these things will never happen again in the NFB or any other setting for that matter. Furthermore, most people who have read books and/or listened to true crime documentaries and podcasts know exactly what sexual abuse looks like, so they should have a general idea when it's brought up, so no one needs to be bored with all the gory, graphic details. It's also something, like I said, most survivors would simply want to forget about that time in their lives, and therefore not want to recount a second time unless they were reporting incidents to police. To be clear, I'm not on anyone's side on this issue, and I'm not defending the lack of response from the Federation—after reading the entirety of this thread, I do believe the organization and NABS need to take steps to prevent these things from occurring in the future. I just want this to be a constructive thread with people sharing suggestions and ideas, and really don't want to see it turn heated by people simply making assumptions and generalizations. I hope you (and everyone) understands my point of view here. Thanks for reading, Sami On Dec 15, 2020 8:47 AM, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: > > Justen/NABS, what exactly is NABS doing/working on to address this problem? > > I also want you to give me examples of getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment. I semi believe you. You are the same person that gets your articles published in the Braille Monitor with ease and you also like to brag about your long streak of having an article published in I forgot which NFB related/affiliated publication. I think it might have been the Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness. > > So, can you give me examples of you getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment because I am not buying                       it. > > > On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:03 AM, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org wrote: > > > > Send NABS-L mailing list submissions to > >    nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >    http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >    nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > >    nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of NABS-L digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > >   1. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Maura Loberg) > >   2. Dues (Amy Albin) > >   3. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Justin Salisbury) > >   4. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Roanna Bacchus) > >   5. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Caitlin Best) > >   6. MNABS Monday Madness (Alycia Howard) > >   7. MNABS Monday madness cont. (Alycia Howard) > >   8. Time Is Running Out - The NABS At Large Seminar Registration > >      Deadline Is Tomorrow (Gene Kim) > >   9. CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site > >      (Littlefield, Tyler) > >  10. Re: Dues (Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 06:50:48 -0600 > > From: Maura Loberg > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >    > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > > Message-ID: <3B2E5F61-09D9-459E-A819-C06C1A6F0C09 at gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! > > > > Maura J. Loberg > > Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 > > President > > | Nebraska Association of Blind Students > > > > > >> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: > >> > >> ?    As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! > >>   This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! > >> > >> Warm Regards, > >> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris > >> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 > >> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com > >> > >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: > >>> > >>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via NABS-L > >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM > >>> To: Danielle Montour > >>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > >>> > >>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. > >>> > >>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. > >>> > >>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. > >>> > >>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. > >>> > >>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. > >>> > >>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion > >>> > >>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. > >>> > >>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. > >>> > >>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. > >>> > >>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out at this year?s > >>> > >>> national convention. > >>> > >>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. > >>> > >>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. > >>> > >>> > >>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ?good morning, > >>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. > >>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors  of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. > >>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. > >>>> > >>>> With careful optimism, > >>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue of > >>>>> sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. > >>>>> > >>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS > >>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth > >>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct and > >>>>> insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> NABS-L mailing list > >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1 > >>>>> %40gmail.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> NABS-L mailing list > >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gmail.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> NABS-L mailing list > >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NABS-L mailing list > >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:09:16 -0500 > > From: Amy Albin > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >    > > Subject: [NABS-L] Dues > > Message-ID: > >    > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > Hi Trisha, > > > > May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me > > the link? Thanks. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:18:40 +0000 > > From: Justin Salisbury > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >    > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > > Message-ID: > >    > >    > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. > > > > Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. > > > > From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. > > > > Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. > > > > Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. > > > > Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. > > > > My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. > > > > Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. > > > > You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. > > > > Aloha, > > > > Justin > > > > > > Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury > > he/him/his > > > > Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students > > ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind > > (808) 797-8606 > > president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org > > > > If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform ? > > > > If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L > > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Maura Loberg > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > > > > If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! > > > > Maura J. Loberg > > Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President > > | Nebraska Association of Blind Students > > > > > >> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: > >> > >> ?    As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! > >>   This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! > >> > >> Warm Regards, > >> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris > >> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 > >> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com > >> > >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: > >>> > >>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via > >>> NABS-L > >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM > >>> To: Danielle Montour > >>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind > >>> Students mailing list > >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > >>> > >>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. > >>> > >>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. > >>> > >>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. > >>> > >>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. > >>> > >>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. > >>> > >>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in > >>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I > >>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he > >>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does > >>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB > >>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion > >>> > >>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. > >>> > >>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. > >>> > >>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. > >>> > >>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out > >>> at this year?s > >>> > >>> national convention. > >>> > >>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. > >>> > >>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. > >>> > >>> > >>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ?good morning, > >>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. > >>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors  of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. > >>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. > >>>> > >>>> With careful optimism, > >>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue > >>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. > >>>>> > >>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS > >>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth > >>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct > >>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> NABS-L mailing list > >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou > >>>>> r1 > >>>>> %40gmail.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> NABS-L mailing list > >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma > >>> il.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> NABS-L mailing list > >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai > >>> l.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NABS-L mailing list > >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai > >> l.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:46:01 +0000 > > From: Roanna Bacchus > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >    > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > > Message-ID: > >    > >    > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > What is going on? Did I miss something this weekend? > > > > On Dec 14, 2020 9:19 AM, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. > > > > Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. > > > > From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. > > > > Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. > > > > Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. > > > > Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. > > > > My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. > > > > Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. > > > > You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. > > > > Aloha, > > > > Justin > > > > > > Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury > > he/him/his > > > > Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students > >   A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind > > (808) 797-8606 > > president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org > > > > If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform > > > > If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L > > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Maura Loberg > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > > > > If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! > > > > Maura J. Loberg > > Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President > > | Nebraska Association of Blind Students > > > > > >> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: > >> > >> ?    As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! > >>   This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! > >> > >> Warm Regards, > >> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris > >> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 > >> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com > >> > >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: > >>> > >>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via > >>> NABS-L > >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM > >>> To: Danielle Montour > >>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind > >>> Students mailing list > >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > >>> > >>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. > >>> > >>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. > >>> > >>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. > >>> > >>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. > >>> > >>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. > >>> > >>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in > >>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I > >>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he > >>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does > >>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB > >>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion > >>> > >>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. > >>> > >>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. > >>> > >>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. > >>> > >>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out > >>> at this year?s > >>> > >>> national convention. > >>> > >>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. > >>> > >>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. > >>> > >>> > >>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ?good morning, > >>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. > >>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors  of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. > >>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. > >>>> > >>>> With careful optimism, > >>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue > >>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. > >>>>> > >>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS > >>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth > >>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct > >>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> NABS-L mailing list > >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou > >>>>> r1 > >>>>> %40gmail.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> NABS-L mailing list > >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma > >>> il.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> NABS-L mailing list > >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai > >>> l.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NABS-L mailing list > >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai > >> l.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/r-bacchus%40outlook.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 07:00:31 -0800 > > From: Caitlin Best > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >    > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > > Message-ID: > >    > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > Thank you for your words, Justin. I believe you when you say there > > will be change, and I am hoping that is true. Reading so many accounts > > of misconduct has brought up a lot of memories of my own, which I have > > written about on my social media account. For those who are curious > > and I don't know personally, just know I am a victim and a survivor. I > > will not be accepting requests from people I do not already know or > > don't feel comfortable with. > > > > With so many stories comes a lot of pain and reliving trauma, and for > > those of us who have experienced sexual assault, harassment, physical > > violence, emotional or verbal abuse know that I am with you. I am here > > for you. I believe you. If at all you feel like you need to talk, > > please consider seeking professional help to start the healing process > > and mend those wounds. You may be surprised how just talking about it > > helps along with learning coping skills to handle those unbearable > > moments of discomfort, anxiety, and panic. We may not be able to > > change our pasts, but we have the ability to change the future--not > > just for us, but for future students and future generations of blind > > people. #MarchingTogether > > Sincerely, > > Caitlin > > > >> On 12/14/20, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about > >> what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I > >> think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us > >> feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. > >> > >> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say > >> that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. > >> I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm > >> not afraid to join here. > >> > >> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've > >> never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we > >> have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been > >> treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. > >> > >> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, > >> organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring > >> conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished > >> statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing > >> that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; > >> I don't speak passive aggressive that well. > >> > >> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck > >> country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be > >> the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a > >> really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, > >> agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm > >> part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's > >> because I'm from New England. I don't know. > >> > >> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative > >> suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy > >> suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people > >> where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm > >> hoping that we can as a team. > >> > >> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are > >> genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the > >> best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, > >> and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. > >> I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd > >> like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched > >> me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. > >> > >> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell > >> anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how > >> to do the right thing. > >> > >> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to > >> get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope > >> we can heal together. > >> > >> Aloha, > >> > >> Justin > >> > >> > >> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury > >> he/him/his > >> > >> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students > >> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind > >> (808) 797-8606 > >> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org > >> > >> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: > >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform > >> > >> > >> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher > >> education, please tell your story here: > >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via > >> NABS-L > >> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> Cc: Maura Loberg > >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > >> > >> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the > >> scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much > >> corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they > >> really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion > >> in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy > >> changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and > >> marching together. Sending love! > >> > >> Maura J. Loberg > >> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President > >> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students > >> > >> > >>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> ?    As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP > >>> program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to > >>> my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. > >>> Especially our national president! > >>>   This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be > >>> taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses > >>> to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to > >>> do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to > >>> this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come > >>> forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be > >>> taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until > >>> these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to > >>> suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are > >>> taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need > >>> to go! > >>> > >>> Warm Regards, > >>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris > >>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 > >>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com > >>> > >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the > >>>> assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and > >>>> religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my > >>>> personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I > >>>> have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken > >>>> advantage of which is sick! > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via > >>>> NABS-L > >>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM > >>>> To: Danielle Montour > >>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind > >>>> Students mailing list > >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > >>>> > >>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we > >>>> are working on the issue. > >>>> > >>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to > >>>> settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone > >>>> will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for > >>>> change, but nothing will happen. > >>>> > >>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they > >>>> are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse > >>>> continues for another generation. > >>>> > >>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen > >>>> is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard > >>>> there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam > >>>> knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed > >>>> to work their even after so many complaints. > >>>> > >>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not > >>>> pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the > >>>> youth are the future of the NFB. > >>>> > >>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in > >>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I > >>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he > >>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does > >>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB > >>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion > >>>> > >>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing > >>>> members to the ACB. > >>>> > >>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a > >>>> BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was > >>>> given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined > >>>> to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. > >>>> > >>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc > >>>> until the NFB changes. > >>>> > >>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out > >>>> at this year?s > >>>> > >>>> national convention. > >>>> > >>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. > >>>> > >>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ?good morning, > >>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization > >>>>> happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as > >>>>> well. > >>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children > >>>>> when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. > >>>>> Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms > >>>>> of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the > >>>>> survivors  of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good > >>>>> number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds > >>>>> right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that > >>>>> values children, either. > >>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that > >>>>> breaks today. > >>>>> > >>>>> With careful optimism, > >>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> > >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue > >>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to > >>>>>> do about it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS > >>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth > >>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct > >>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the > >>>>>> nation?s blind. > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list > >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>>> NABS-L: > >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou > >>>>>> r1 > >>>>>> %40gmail.com > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> NABS-L mailing list > >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> NABS-L: > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma > >>>> il.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> NABS-L mailing list > >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> NABS-L: > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai > >>>> l.com > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> NABS-L mailing list > >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> NABS-L: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai > >>> l.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NABS-L mailing list > >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> NABS-L: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NABS-L mailing list > >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> NABS-L: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:28:46 -0600 > > From: Alycia Howard > > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday Madness > > Message-ID: <825ADF92-1F1A-4CD2-9984-016D322D884A at icloud.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii > > > > Hello everyone, happy Monday! To celebrate the end of the semester, come hang out with friends at MNABS Monday madness tonight, starting at 7 PM central. We look forward to seeing you all there! > > > > https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 > > > > Alycia Howard, Secretary of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:43:13 -0600 > > From: Alycia Howard > > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday madness cont. > > Message-ID: <438B9513-2240-4CA8-AF8A-E77FC23E40C1 at icloud.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii > > > > I realized I forgot to put the rest of the meeting details into my last email. Hope to see you all at Monday madness tonight at 7 PM Central. > > > > Topic: MNABS Monday Madness > > > > Time: This is a recurring meeting Meet anytime > > > > > > > > Join Zoom Meeting > > > > https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 > > > > > > > > Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 > > > > Passcode: 7ZiFp! > > > > One tap mobile > > > > +16513728299,,92700794823#,,,,,,0#,,729734# US (Minnesota) > > > > +13017158592,,92700794823#,,,,,,0#,,729734# US (Washington D.C) > > > > > > > > Dial by your location > > > >        +1 651 372 8299 US (Minnesota) > > > >        +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington D.C) > > > >        +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) > > > >        +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) > > > >        +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) > > > >        +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) > > > >        +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) > > > > Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 > > > > Passcode: 729734 > > > > Find your local number: https://umn.zoom.us/u/axyPdL6DK > > > > > > > > Join by SIP > > > > 92700794823 at zoomcrc.com > > > > > > > > Join by H.323 > > > > 162.255.37.11 (US West) > > > > 162.255.36.11 (US East) > > > > 221.122.88.195 (China) > > > > 115.114.131.7 (India Mumbai) > > > > 115.114.115.7 (India Hyderabad) > > > > 213.19.144.110 (Amsterdam Netherlands) > > > > 213.244.140.110 (Germany) > > > > 103.122.166.55 (Australia) > > > > 209.9.211.110 (Hong Kong SAR) > > > > 149.137.40.110 (Singapore) > > > > 64.211.144.160 (Brazil) > > > > 69.174.57.160 (Canada) > > > > 207.226.132.110 (Japan) > > > > Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 > > > > Passcode: 729734 > > > > Alycia Howard, Secretary of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 12:34:56 -0800 > > From: Gene Kim > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >    > > Subject: [NABS-L] Time Is Running Out - The NABS At Large Seminar > >    Registration Deadline Is Tomorrow > > Message-ID: > >    > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > Hello NABS! > > > > I hope this finds you on a good start to the week. Coming at you with > > another reminder that that registration for the virtual NABS At Large > > Seminar, themed ?Speaking Up and Branching Out? (January 9 ? 10, 2021) is > > closing tomorrow evening! You absolutely don?t want to miss this awesome > > opportunity to level up your public speaking skills and confidence. Whether > > you?ve been delivering polished speeches for years or just starting to > > develop interest in becoming a more effective communicator, this seminar?s > > got you covered with interactive activities, guest speakers, philosophical > > discussions, and so much more. Don?t push this until later?register here > > or using the link below! > > > >> https://forms.gle/pGrq8jg2TTa2opETA > >> > >> If you are in need of financial assistance to pay the $25 registration > >> fee, please contact Trisha Kulkarni at nabs.president at gmail.com. > >> > >> > >> > >> Warmly, > >> > > Gene > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Gene Sung-Ho Kim | B.S. Candidate, Symbolic Systems | Stanford University > >> > >> Social Media Coordinator | National Association of Blind Students > >> > >> Secretary | California Association of Blind Students > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 9 > > Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:45:07 -0600 > > From: "Littlefield, Tyler" (by way of David > >    Andrews ) > > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > > Subject: [NABS-L] CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > > > CVStats is an accessible website for displaying Covid19 data for > > those who are blind or visually impaired. When the pandemic began and > > still to this day, > > most news sources and articles display data in graphs, or as a type > > of visual representation that is hard, if not impossible for those > > using screen readers > > or who are low vision to understand. My goal in creating this site > > was to find a way to gather data that people might find useful and > > present it in a form > > that is easy to read, understand and navigate. > > > > To date, the site currently enables viewing data as a global set of > > statistics, by state in the United States, and by county in the > > United states, with > > more to come. I accept feature requests (although I may not be able > > to complete them given that I also work a full job), but I will do my > > best, as well > > as comments and issues. > > > > Please visit > > https://cvstats.net > > > > I hope this resource is useful to you, and please feel free to share > > this with anyone you feel might be able to make use of it. > > > > Stay Safe, > > > > Ty > > > > -- > > > > Take Care, > > Tyler Littlefield (he/him/his) > > tyler at tysdomain.com > > https://cvstats.net > > > > > > Tyler has asked me to circulate the below message. This is a very > > useful sight, and he has done a good job of making a difficult > > presentation completely accessible to screen reader users. > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 10 > > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 00:10:17 -0500 > > From: "Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President" > >    > > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > >    > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dues > > Message-ID: <06ab01d6d2a0$94692f50$bd3b8df0$@gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8" > > > > Sent it your way ? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Amy Albin via NABS-L > > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:09 AM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Amy Albin > > Subject: [NABS-L] Dues > > > > Hi Trisha, > > > > May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me the link? Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of NABS-L Digest, Vol 170, Issue 13 > > *************************************** > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sami.j.osborne97%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 23:31:06 2020 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket X. Bidleman) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:31:06 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear all, First, I am only speaking on behalf of myself. There have been comments on this thread that working with the NFB, or applying for scholarships with the NFB, are synonymous with condoning sexual misconduct and the practices (or lack thereof) surrounding it. I would like to say that supporting and belonging to a group, while disagreeing with some of that group's practices or beliefs, is totally fine. Support does not mean complete allegiance. I firmly stand with the goals and missions of the NFB, but I do not endorse some practices. When it comes to scholarships, there is no doubt that the NFB has one of the most prestigious scholarship programs out there for blind students attending American institutions. There is no way around the fact that higher education is very expensive, and some people need money to help get through it. As a low-income student, I know what this feels like. As blind students who have some expenses that sighted peers do not incur, a lot of us should know what this feels like. If you still really feel that applying for a scholarship through NFB means supporting an organization that you feel is unethical, then think of it this way: you have the opportunity to take this money, and to do some of the good that you feel the NFB is not doing. Additionally, I have been feeling an overall lack of compassion. I am a leader of part of this organization, and I am also a sexual misconduct survivor several times over. As a leader, I am sometimes expected to provide guidance for complicated issues, which I am sometimes sorting through simultaneously. Reading these testimonials has been re-traumatizing, so I'm trying to stay healthy. But there is antagonism from some, both in thread and in other places. I urge people to have patience as we walk through this together. I hope everyone understands the mass hurt and frustration that are going around. If people are feeling a lack of compassion from leaders, then exhibiting a lack of the same compassion is not demonstrating what you want to see. At the same time, being accusational, not believing survivors, being quick to name-calling, is counterproductive. This kind of behavior promotes suppression-culture, and if people are working toward ensuring that survivors feel comfortable expressing themselves and telling their stories, this is not the way to do it. Now that these testimonials have been made, the important thing is moving forward. The dialogue has been opened, and while progress may be slow, it should happen. Understand that no one knows what the perfect thing to do is; if we did, there would be very little need for dialogue. Leaders are trying to figure out what would be best in this moment but given the prevalence of sexual misconduct, many of them are likely survivors. Many of them are being re-traumatized too, and the frustration is felt by everyone. What benefit does your commentary have? Whether intended or not, will your comments promote suppression-culture? Whether intended or not, will your comments encourage income disparity? Could your comments alienate yourself from a whole lot of people? Or, perhaps given some reframing, could your comments promote positive changing while still expressing your frustration? Please remember that we are all imperfect, all frustrated, and all human. Again, I speak only on behalf of myself and my feelings. Thank you. Best, Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers) On 12/15/20, Trisha Kulkarni via NABS-L wrote: > Juan and All, > > I speak on behalf of NABS leadership when I say that the past two weeks have > been heartbreaking but also extremely motivating to make our organization a > safe and inclusive place for all. We have already invited members to reach > out with ideas for how our student division can improve, and we have been in > constant communication about action that needs to be taken. > > However, in working toward a safer community, this mailing list will not be > used to accuse members of lying about their experiences. Not only is it > hurtful and counterproductive, it will not be tolerated. No surviver > deserves to be unheard or unwelcome, and making demands will not be how we > move forward together. > > Trisha Kulkarni > President | National Association of Blind Students > A Proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind > www.nabslink.org > >> On Dec 15, 2020, at 8:50 AM, Juan Parra via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Justen/NABS, what exactly is NABS doing/working on to address this >> problem? >> >> I also want you to give me examples of getting the Colin Kaepernick >> treatment. I semi believe you. You are the same person that gets your >> articles published in the Braille Monitor with ease and you also like to >> brag about your long streak of having an article published in I forgot >> which NFB related/affiliated publication. I think it might have been the >> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness. >> >> So, can you give me examples of you getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment >> because I am not buying it. >> >> >>> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:03 AM, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org wrote: >>> >>> Send NABS-L mailing list submissions to >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of NABS-L digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Maura Loberg) >>> 2. Dues (Amy Albin) >>> 3. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Justin Salisbury) >>> 4. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Roanna Bacchus) >>> 5. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Caitlin Best) >>> 6. MNABS Monday Madness (Alycia Howard) >>> 7. MNABS Monday madness cont. (Alycia Howard) >>> 8. Time Is Running Out - The NABS At Large Seminar Registration >>> Deadline Is Tomorrow (Gene Kim) >>> 9. CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site >>> (Littlefield, Tyler) >>> 10. Re: Dues (Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 06:50:48 -0600 >>> From: Maura Loberg >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: <3B2E5F61-09D9-459E-A819-C06C1A6F0C09 at gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the >>> scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much >>> corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they >>> really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of >>> discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme >>> leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting >>> the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>> >>> Maura J. Loberg >>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 >>> President >>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP >>>> program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears >>>> to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. >>>> Especially our national president! >>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be >>>> taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that >>>> refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national >>>> president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with >>>> solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they >>>> can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper >>>> action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under >>>> the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is >>>> done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the >>>> skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and >>>> the bad apples need to go! >>>> >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the >>>>> assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and >>>>> religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my >>>>> personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I >>>>> have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken >>>>> advantage of which is sick! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>> NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>> Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>> >>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying >>>>> we are working on the issue. >>>>> >>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone >>>>> to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting >>>>> everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will >>>>> fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they >>>>> are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the >>>>> abuse continues for another generation. >>>>> >>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam >>>>> Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I >>>>> heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop >>>>> class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is >>>>> still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>> >>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do >>>>> not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s >>>>> the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he does >>>>> talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does not >>>>> know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB nothing >>>>> happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing >>>>> members to the ACB. >>>>> >>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened >>>>> a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was >>>>> given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is >>>>> confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind >>>>> Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out at >>>>> this year?s >>>>> >>>>> national convention. >>>>> >>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the >>>>> NFB. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization >>>>>> happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as >>>>>> well. >>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children >>>>>> when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. >>>>>> Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all >>>>>> forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If >>>>>> the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a >>>>>> good number of people would not be able to live near schools and >>>>>> playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an >>>>>> organization that values children, either. >>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that >>>>>> breaks today. >>>>>> >>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue of >>>>>>> sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do >>>>>>> about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the >>>>>>> nation?s blind. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1 >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:09:16 -0500 >>> From: Amy Albin >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [NABS-L] Dues >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Hi Trisha, >>> >>> May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me >>> the link? Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:18:40 +0000 >>> From: Justin Salisbury >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried >>> about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, >>> and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to >>> help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>> >>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to >>> say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative >>> reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe >>> that's why I'm not afraid to join here. >>> >>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've >>> never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when >>> we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have >>> been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to >>> stop. >>> >>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, >>> organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring >>> conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal >>> polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha >>> was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other >>> organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>> >>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck >>> country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could >>> be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a >>> really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, >>> agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm >>> part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's >>> because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>> >>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative >>> suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy >>> suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people >>> where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm >>> hoping that we can as a team. >>> >>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are >>> genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what >>> the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long >>> time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on >>> impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react >>> impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the >>> Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>> >>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell >>> anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out >>> how to do the right thing. >>> >>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have >>> to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and >>> I hope we can heal together. >>> >>> Aloha, >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>> he/him/his >>> >>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>> (808) 797-8606 >>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>> >>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: >>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >>> ? >>> >>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher >>> education, please tell your story here: >>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> >>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the >>> scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much >>> corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they >>> really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of >>> discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme >>> leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting >>> the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>> >>> Maura J. Loberg >>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP >>>> program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears >>>> to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. >>>> Especially our national president! >>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be >>>> taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that >>>> refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national >>>> president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with >>>> solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they >>>> can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper >>>> action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under >>>> the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is >>>> done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the >>>> skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and >>>> the bad apples need to go! >>>> >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the >>>>> assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and >>>>> religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my >>>>> personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I >>>>> have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken >>>>> advantage of which is sick! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>> NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>> Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>> >>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying >>>>> we are working on the issue. >>>>> >>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone >>>>> to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting >>>>> everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will >>>>> fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they >>>>> are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the >>>>> abuse continues for another generation. >>>>> >>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam >>>>> Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I >>>>> heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop >>>>> class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is >>>>> still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>> >>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do >>>>> not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s >>>>> the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing >>>>> members to the ACB. >>>>> >>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened >>>>> a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was >>>>> given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is >>>>> confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind >>>>> Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>> at this year?s >>>>> >>>>> national convention. >>>>> >>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the >>>>> NFB. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization >>>>>> happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as >>>>>> well. >>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children >>>>>> when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. >>>>>> Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all >>>>>> forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If >>>>>> the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a >>>>>> good number of people would not be able to live near schools and >>>>>> playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an >>>>>> organization that values children, either. >>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that >>>>>> breaks today. >>>>>> >>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to >>>>>>> do about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the >>>>>>> nation?s blind. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>> l.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:46:01 +0000 >>> From: Roanna Bacchus >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> What is going on? Did I miss something this weekend? >>> >>> On Dec 14, 2020 9:19 AM, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried >>> about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, >>> and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to >>> help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>> >>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to >>> say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative >>> reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe >>> that's why I'm not afraid to join here. >>> >>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've >>> never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when >>> we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have >>> been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to >>> stop. >>> >>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, >>> organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring >>> conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal >>> polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha >>> was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other >>> organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>> >>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck >>> country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could >>> be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a >>> really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, >>> agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm >>> part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's >>> because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>> >>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative >>> suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy >>> suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people >>> where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm >>> hoping that we can as a team. >>> >>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are >>> genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what >>> the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long >>> time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on >>> impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react >>> impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the >>> Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>> >>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell >>> anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out >>> how to do the right thing. >>> >>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have >>> to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and >>> I hope we can heal together. >>> >>> Aloha, >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>> he/him/his >>> >>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>> A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>> (808) 797-8606 >>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>> >>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: >>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >>> >>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher >>> education, please tell your story here: >>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> >>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the >>> scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much >>> corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they >>> really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of >>> discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme >>> leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting >>> the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>> >>> Maura J. Loberg >>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP >>>> program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears >>>> to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. >>>> Especially our national president! >>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be >>>> taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that >>>> refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national >>>> president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with >>>> solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they >>>> can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper >>>> action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under >>>> the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is >>>> done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the >>>> skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and >>>> the bad apples need to go! >>>> >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the >>>>> assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and >>>>> religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my >>>>> personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I >>>>> have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken >>>>> advantage of which is sick! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>> NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>> Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>> >>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying >>>>> we are working on the issue. >>>>> >>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone >>>>> to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting >>>>> everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will >>>>> fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they >>>>> are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the >>>>> abuse continues for another generation. >>>>> >>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam >>>>> Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I >>>>> heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop >>>>> class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is >>>>> still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>> >>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do >>>>> not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s >>>>> the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing >>>>> members to the ACB. >>>>> >>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened >>>>> a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was >>>>> given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is >>>>> confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind >>>>> Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>> at this year?s >>>>> >>>>> national convention. >>>>> >>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the >>>>> NFB. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization >>>>>> happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as >>>>>> well. >>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children >>>>>> when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. >>>>>> Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all >>>>>> forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If >>>>>> the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a >>>>>> good number of people would not be able to live near schools and >>>>>> playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an >>>>>> organization that values children, either. >>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that >>>>>> breaks today. >>>>>> >>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to >>>>>>> do about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the >>>>>>> nation?s blind. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>> l.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/r-bacchus%40outlook.com >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 07:00:31 -0800 >>> From: Caitlin Best >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Thank you for your words, Justin. I believe you when you say there >>> will be change, and I am hoping that is true. Reading so many accounts >>> of misconduct has brought up a lot of memories of my own, which I have >>> written about on my social media account. For those who are curious >>> and I don't know personally, just know I am a victim and a survivor. I >>> will not be accepting requests from people I do not already know or >>> don't feel comfortable with. >>> >>> With so many stories comes a lot of pain and reliving trauma, and for >>> those of us who have experienced sexual assault, harassment, physical >>> violence, emotional or verbal abuse know that I am with you. I am here >>> for you. I believe you. If at all you feel like you need to talk, >>> please consider seeking professional help to start the healing process >>> and mend those wounds. You may be surprised how just talking about it >>> helps along with learning coping skills to handle those unbearable >>> moments of discomfort, anxiety, and panic. We may not be able to >>> change our pasts, but we have the ability to change the future--not >>> just for us, but for future students and future generations of blind >>> people. #MarchingTogether >>> Sincerely, >>> Caitlin >>> >>>>> On 12/14/20, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried >>>> about >>>> what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I >>>> think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help >>>> us >>>> feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>>> >>>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to >>>> say >>>> that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative >>>> reaction. >>>> I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why >>>> I'm >>>> not afraid to join here. >>>> >>>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've >>>> never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when >>>> we >>>> have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been >>>> treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to >>>> stop. >>>> >>>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, >>>> organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring >>>> conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal >>>> polished >>>> statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing >>>> that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational >>>> statement; >>>> I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>>> >>>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck >>>> country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could >>>> be >>>> the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a >>>> really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, >>>> agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because >>>> I'm >>>> part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's >>>> because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>>> >>>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially >>>> conservative >>>> suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy >>>> suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people >>>> where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but >>>> I'm >>>> hoping that we can as a team. >>>> >>>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are >>>> genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what >>>> the >>>> best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long >>>> time, >>>> and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on >>>> impulse. >>>> I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and >>>> I'd >>>> like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has >>>> watched >>>> me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>>> >>>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell >>>> anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out >>>> how >>>> to do the right thing. >>>> >>>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now >>>> have to >>>> get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I >>>> hope >>>> we can heal together. >>>> >>>> Aloha, >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> >>>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>>> he/him/his >>>> >>>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>>> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>>> (808) 797-8606 >>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>>> >>>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: >>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >>>> >>>> >>>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher >>>> education, please tell your story here: >>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> >>>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the >>>> scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so >>>> much >>>> corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they >>>> really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of >>>> discussion >>>> in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and >>>> policy >>>> changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and >>>> marching together. Sending love! >>>> >>>> Maura J. Loberg >>>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP >>>>> program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears >>>>> to >>>>> my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. >>>>> Especially our national president! >>>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be >>>>> taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that >>>>> refuses >>>>> to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president >>>>> to >>>>> do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to >>>>> this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come >>>>> forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should >>>>> be >>>>> taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until >>>>> these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to >>>>> suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are >>>>> taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples >>>>> need >>>>> to go! >>>>> >>>>> Warm Regards, >>>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the >>>>>> assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and >>>>>> religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my >>>>>> personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I >>>>>> have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken >>>>>> advantage of which is sick! >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>>> NABS-L >>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>>> Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>>> >>>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying >>>>>> we >>>>>> are working on the issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone >>>>>> to >>>>>> settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone >>>>>> will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for >>>>>> change, but nothing will happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they >>>>>> are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the >>>>>> abuse >>>>>> continues for another generation. >>>>>> >>>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam >>>>>> Allen >>>>>> is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard >>>>>> there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam >>>>>> knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still >>>>>> allowed >>>>>> to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>>> >>>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do >>>>>> not >>>>>> pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the >>>>>> youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>>> >>>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing >>>>>> members to the ACB. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing >>>>>> happened a >>>>>> BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was >>>>>> given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is >>>>>> confined >>>>>> to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind >>>>>> Inc >>>>>> until the NFB changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>>> at this year?s >>>>>> >>>>>> national convention. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the >>>>>> NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this >>>>>>> organization >>>>>>> happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as >>>>>>> well. >>>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children >>>>>>> when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young >>>>>>> adults. >>>>>>> Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all >>>>>>> forms >>>>>>> of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the >>>>>>> survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a >>>>>>> good >>>>>>> number of people would not be able to live near schools and >>>>>>> playgrounds >>>>>>> right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> values children, either. >>>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that >>>>>>> breaks today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> do about it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> nation?s blind. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>>> il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>>> l.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:28:46 -0600 >>> From: Alycia Howard >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday Madness >>> Message-ID: <825ADF92-1F1A-4CD2-9984-016D322D884A at icloud.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Hello everyone, happy Monday! To celebrate the end of the semester, come >>> hang out with friends at MNABS Monday madness tonight, starting at 7 PM >>> central. We look forward to seeing you all there! >>> >>> https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 >>> >>> Alycia Howard, Secretary of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students, >>> a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:43:13 -0600 >>> From: Alycia Howard >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday madness cont. >>> Message-ID: <438B9513-2240-4CA8-AF8A-E77FC23E40C1 at icloud.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> I realized I forgot to put the rest of the meeting details into my last >>> email. Hope to see you all at Monday madness tonight at 7 PM Central. >>> >>> Topic: MNABS Monday Madness >>> >>> Time: This is a recurring meeting Meet anytime >>> >>> >>> >>> Join Zoom Meeting >>> >>> https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 >>> >>> >>> >>> Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 >>> >>> Passcode: 7ZiFp! >>> >>> One tap mobile >>> >>> +16513728299,,92700794823#,,,,,,0#,,729734# US (Minnesota) >>> >>> +13017158592,,92700794823#,,,,,,0#,,729734# US (Washington D.C) >>> >>> >>> >>> Dial by your location >>> >>> +1 651 372 8299 US (Minnesota) >>> >>> +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington D.C) >>> >>> +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) >>> >>> +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) >>> >>> +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) >>> >>> +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) >>> >>> +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) >>> >>> Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 >>> >>> Passcode: 729734 >>> >>> Find your local number: https://umn.zoom.us/u/axyPdL6DK >>> >>> >>> >>> Join by SIP >>> >>> 92700794823 at zoomcrc.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Join by H.323 >>> >>> 162.255.37.11 (US West) >>> >>> 162.255.36.11 (US East) >>> >>> 221.122.88.195 (China) >>> >>> 115.114.131.7 (India Mumbai) >>> >>> 115.114.115.7 (India Hyderabad) >>> >>> 213.19.144.110 (Amsterdam Netherlands) >>> >>> 213.244.140.110 (Germany) >>> >>> 103.122.166.55 (Australia) >>> >>> 209.9.211.110 (Hong Kong SAR) >>> >>> 149.137.40.110 (Singapore) >>> >>> 64.211.144.160 (Brazil) >>> >>> 69.174.57.160 (Canada) >>> >>> 207.226.132.110 (Japan) >>> >>> Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 >>> >>> Passcode: 729734 >>> >>> Alycia Howard, Secretary of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 12:34:56 -0800 >>> From: Gene Kim >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [NABS-L] Time Is Running Out - The NABS At Large Seminar >>> Registration Deadline Is Tomorrow >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Hello NABS! >>> >>> I hope this finds you on a good start to the week. Coming at you with >>> another reminder that that registration for the virtual NABS At Large >>> Seminar, themed ?Speaking Up and Branching Out? (January 9 ? 10, 2021) is >>> closing tomorrow evening! You absolutely don?t want to miss this awesome >>> opportunity to level up your public speaking skills and confidence. >>> Whether >>> you?ve been delivering polished speeches for years or just starting to >>> develop interest in becoming a more effective communicator, this >>> seminar?s >>> got you covered with interactive activities, guest speakers, >>> philosophical >>> discussions, and so much more. Don?t push this until later?register here >>> or using the link below! >>> >>>> https://forms.gle/pGrq8jg2TTa2opETA >>>> >>>> If you are in need of financial assistance to pay the $25 registration >>>> fee, please contact Trisha Kulkarni at nabs.president at gmail.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Warmly, >>>> >>> Gene >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Gene Sung-Ho Kim | B.S. Candidate, Symbolic Systems | Stanford >>>> University >>>> >>>> Social Media Coordinator | National Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> Secretary | California Association of Blind Students >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:45:07 -0600 >>> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" (by way of David >>> Andrews ) >>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [NABS-L] CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>> >>> >>> CVStats is an accessible website for displaying Covid19 data for >>> those who are blind or visually impaired. When the pandemic began and >>> still to this day, >>> most news sources and articles display data in graphs, or as a type >>> of visual representation that is hard, if not impossible for those >>> using screen readers >>> or who are low vision to understand. My goal in creating this site >>> was to find a way to gather data that people might find useful and >>> present it in a form >>> that is easy to read, understand and navigate. >>> >>> To date, the site currently enables viewing data as a global set of >>> statistics, by state in the United States, and by county in the >>> United states, with >>> more to come. I accept feature requests (although I may not be able >>> to complete them given that I also work a full job), but I will do my >>> best, as well >>> as comments and issues. >>> >>> Please visit >>> https://cvstats.net >>> >>> I hope this resource is useful to you, and please feel free to share >>> this with anyone you feel might be able to make use of it. >>> >>> Stay Safe, >>> >>> Ty >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Take Care, >>> Tyler Littlefield (he/him/his) >>> tyler at tysdomain.com >>> https://cvstats.net >>> >>> >>> Tyler has asked me to circulate the below message. This is a very >>> useful sight, and he has done a good job of making a difficult >>> presentation completely accessible to screen reader users. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 10 >>> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 00:10:17 -0500 >>> From: "Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President" >>> >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dues >>> Message-ID: <06ab01d6d2a0$94692f50$bd3b8df0$@gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Sent it your way ? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Amy Albin via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:09 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Amy Albin >>> Subject: [NABS-L] Dues >>> >>> Hi Trisha, >>> >>> May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me the >>> link? Thanks. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of NABS-L Digest, Vol 170, Issue 13 >>> *************************************** >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kulkarnitrisha909%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com From jp7002200 at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 23:46:27 2020 From: jp7002200 at gmail.com (Juan Parra) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 15:46:27 -0800 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint In-Reply-To: <5fd93fb2.1c69fb81.156e4.05a3@mx.google.com> References: <5fd93fb2.1c69fb81.156e4.05a3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6DBB875D-90D4-4EEC-83D3-77321B7B6561@gmail.com> Sorry guy’s. I am just tired of never getting anywhere with big organizations. Sorry to Trisha, Justen, and NABS. > On Dec 15, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Sami Osborne wrote: > > Juan, > > I am not a list moderator, but I honestly have reservations about you being allowed to remain on this list. It seems to me like all you've done since you subscribed is to post negative comments on this thread, whether based in reality or not. You never made an intro to introduce yourself to us, nor have you contributed to any other thread as far as I'm aware. I have no idea how long you've been on here, but I don't recall you participating in any other discussions. If you don't like/are frustrated with the way a certain organization is being operated, then you just leave. Plain and simple; no one will force you to stay if you don't want to. That being said, I'm not trying to bring you down or anything of that nature. I just don't like to see discussions turning into heated arguments. As Trisha said, making accusations, whether unfounded or not, is simply not tolerated on here. We want to see action taken, not simply making judgements, assumptions, or generalizations. With that said, if you've come on here to help out the NFB, I'm sure we'd all love to here any constructive ideas/criticisms you might have. Otherwise, to put it bluntly, I don't see any point of you being on this list if all you're going to do is stay negative. Whenever one is in a frustrating situation, it's better to (A) run away from the situation entirely, or, even better, (B) feel confident, if not optimistic, that the issue will be resolved. Like I said, you don't have to be part of an email listserve, let alone an entire organization, if you don't want to. > > As for the assaults/abuse themselves, I think part of the reason people aren't sharing specifics on here is because these allegations are of a rather sexual nature, and are much too graphic for constructive dialogue. I'm not a survivor myself, so I'm not sure if this is the case with everyone, but I think most survivors would rather, like I said, either forget about the situation entirely, or move forward and take real action for fellow survivors, so that these things will never happen again in the NFB or any other setting for that matter. Furthermore, most people who have read books and/or listened to true crime documentaries and podcasts know exactly what sexual abuse looks like, so they should have a general idea when it's brought up, so no one needs to be bored with all the gory, graphic details. It's also something, like I said, most survivors would simply want to forget about that time in their lives, and therefore not want to recount a second time unless they were reporting incidents to police. > > To be clear, I'm not on anyone's side on this issue, and I'm not defending the lack of response from the Federation—after reading the entirety of this thread, I do believe the organization and NABS need to take steps to prevent these things from occurring in the future. I just want this to be a constructive thread with people sharing suggestions and ideas, and really don't want to see it turn heated by people simply making assumptions and generalizations. > > I hope you (and everyone) understands my point of view here. > > Thanks for reading, > > Sami > >> On Dec 15, 2020 8:47 AM, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Justen/NABS, what exactly is NABS doing/working on to address this problem? >> >> I also want you to give me examples of getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment. I semi believe you. You are the same person that gets your articles published in the Braille Monitor with ease and you also like to brag about your long streak of having an article published in I forgot which NFB related/affiliated publication. I think it might have been the Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness. >> >> So, can you give me examples of you getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment because I am not buying it. >> >>>> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:03 AM, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org wrote: >>> >>> Send NABS-L mailing list submissions to >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of NABS-L digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Maura Loberg) >>> 2. Dues (Amy Albin) >>> 3. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Justin Salisbury) >>> 4. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Roanna Bacchus) >>> 5. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Caitlin Best) >>> 6. MNABS Monday Madness (Alycia Howard) >>> 7. MNABS Monday madness cont. (Alycia Howard) >>> 8. Time Is Running Out - The NABS At Large Seminar Registration >>> Deadline Is Tomorrow (Gene Kim) >>> 9. CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site >>> (Littlefield, Tyler) >>> 10. Re: Dues (Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 06:50:48 -0600 >>> From: Maura Loberg >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: <3B2E5F61-09D9-459E-A819-C06C1A6F0C09 at gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>> >>> Maura J. Loberg >>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 >>> President >>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>>> >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>> >>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>>> >>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>>> >>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>> >>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>>> >>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out at this year?s >>>>> >>>>> national convention. >>>>> >>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>>> >>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue of >>>>>>> sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct and >>>>>>> insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1 >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:09:16 -0500 >>> From: Amy Albin >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [NABS-L] Dues >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Hi Trisha, >>> >>> May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me >>> the link? Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:18:40 +0000 >>> From: Justin Salisbury >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>> >>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. >>> >>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >>> >>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>> >>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>> >>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. >>> >>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>> >>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. >>> >>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. >>> >>> Aloha, >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>> he/him/his >>> >>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>> (808) 797-8606 >>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>> >>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform ? >>> >>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> >>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>> >>> Maura J. Loberg >>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>>> >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>> NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>> Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>> >>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>>> >>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>>> >>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>> >>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>>> >>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>> at this year?s >>>>> >>>>> national convention. >>>>> >>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>>> >>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>> l.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:46:01 +0000 >>> From: Roanna Bacchus >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> What is going on? Did I miss something this weekend? >>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020 9:19 AM, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>> >>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. >>> >>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >>> >>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>> >>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>> >>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. >>> >>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>> >>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. >>> >>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. >>> >>> Aloha, >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>> he/him/his >>> >>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>> A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>> (808) 797-8606 >>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>> >>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >>> >>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> >>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>> >>> Maura J. Loberg >>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>>> >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>> NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>> Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>> >>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>>> >>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>>> >>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>> >>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>>> >>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>> at this year?s >>>>> >>>>> national convention. >>>>> >>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>>> >>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>> l.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/r-bacchus%40outlook.com >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 07:00:31 -0800 >>> From: Caitlin Best >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Thank you for your words, Justin. I believe you when you say there >>> will be change, and I am hoping that is true. Reading so many accounts >>> of misconduct has brought up a lot of memories of my own, which I have >>> written about on my social media account. For those who are curious >>> and I don't know personally, just know I am a victim and a survivor. I >>> will not be accepting requests from people I do not already know or >>> don't feel comfortable with. >>> >>> With so many stories comes a lot of pain and reliving trauma, and for >>> those of us who have experienced sexual assault, harassment, physical >>> violence, emotional or verbal abuse know that I am with you. I am here >>> for you. I believe you. If at all you feel like you need to talk, >>> please consider seeking professional help to start the healing process >>> and mend those wounds. You may be surprised how just talking about it >>> helps along with learning coping skills to handle those unbearable >>> moments of discomfort, anxiety, and panic. We may not be able to >>> change our pasts, but we have the ability to change the future--not >>> just for us, but for future students and future generations of blind >>> people. #MarchingTogether >>> Sincerely, >>> Caitlin >>> >>>> On 12/14/20, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about >>>> what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I >>>> think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us >>>> feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>>> >>>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say >>>> that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. >>>> I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm >>>> not afraid to join here. >>>> >>>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've >>>> never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we >>>> have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been >>>> treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >>>> >>>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, >>>> organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring >>>> conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished >>>> statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing >>>> that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; >>>> I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>>> >>>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck >>>> country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be >>>> the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a >>>> really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, >>>> agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm >>>> part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's >>>> because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>>> >>>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative >>>> suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy >>>> suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people >>>> where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm >>>> hoping that we can as a team. >>>> >>>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are >>>> genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the >>>> best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, >>>> and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. >>>> I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd >>>> like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched >>>> me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>>> >>>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell >>>> anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how >>>> to do the right thing. >>>> >>>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to >>>> get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope >>>> we can heal together. >>>> >>>> Aloha, >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> >>>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>>> he/him/his >>>> >>>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>>> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>>> (808) 797-8606 >>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>>> >>>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: >>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >>>> >>>> >>>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher >>>> education, please tell your story here: >>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> >>>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the >>>> scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much >>>> corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they >>>> really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion >>>> in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy >>>> changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and >>>> marching together. Sending love! >>>> >>>> Maura J. Loberg >>>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP >>>>> program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to >>>>> my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. >>>>> Especially our national president! >>>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be >>>>> taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses >>>>> to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to >>>>> do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to >>>>> this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come >>>>> forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be >>>>> taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until >>>>> these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to >>>>> suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are >>>>> taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need >>>>> to go! >>>>> >>>>> Warm Regards, >>>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the >>>>>> assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and >>>>>> religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my >>>>>> personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I >>>>>> have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken >>>>>> advantage of which is sick! >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>>> NABS-L >>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>>> Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>>> >>>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we >>>>>> are working on the issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to >>>>>> settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone >>>>>> will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for >>>>>> change, but nothing will happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they >>>>>> are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse >>>>>> continues for another generation. >>>>>> >>>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen >>>>>> is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard >>>>>> there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam >>>>>> knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed >>>>>> to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>>> >>>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not >>>>>> pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the >>>>>> youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>>> >>>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing >>>>>> members to the ACB. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a >>>>>> BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was >>>>>> given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined >>>>>> to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc >>>>>> until the NFB changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>>> at this year?s >>>>>> >>>>>> national convention. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization >>>>>>> happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as >>>>>>> well. >>>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children >>>>>>> when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. >>>>>>> Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms >>>>>>> of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the >>>>>>> survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good >>>>>>> number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds >>>>>>> right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that >>>>>>> values children, either. >>>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that >>>>>>> breaks today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to >>>>>>>> do about it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the >>>>>>>> nation?s blind. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>>> il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>>> l.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:28:46 -0600 >>> From: Alycia Howard >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday Madness >>> Message-ID: <825ADF92-1F1A-4CD2-9984-016D322D884A at icloud.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Hello everyone, happy Monday! To celebrate the end of the semester, come hang out with friends at MNABS Monday madness tonight, starting at 7 PM central. We look forward to seeing you all there! >>> >>> https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 >>> >>> Alycia Howard, Secretary of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:43:13 -0600 >>> From: Alycia Howard >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday madness cont. >>> Message-ID: <438B9513-2240-4CA8-AF8A-E77FC23E40C1 at icloud.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> I realized I forgot to put the rest of the meeting details into my last email. Hope to see you all at Monday madness tonight at 7 PM Central. >>> >>> Topic: MNABS Monday Madness >>> >>> Time: This is a recurring meeting Meet anytime >>> >>> >>> >>> Join Zoom Meeting >>> >>> https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 >>> >>> >>> >>> Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 >>> >>> Passcode: 7ZiFp! >>> >>> One tap mobile >>> >>> +16513728299,,92700794823#,,,,,,0#,,729734# US (Minnesota) >>> >>> +13017158592,,92700794823#,,,,,,0#,,729734# US (Washington D.C) >>> >>> >>> >>> Dial by your location >>> >>> +1 651 372 8299 US (Minnesota) >>> >>> +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington D.C) >>> >>> +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) >>> >>> +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) >>> >>> +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) >>> >>> +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) >>> >>> +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) >>> >>> Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 >>> >>> Passcode: 729734 >>> >>> Find your local number: https://umn.zoom.us/u/axyPdL6DK >>> >>> >>> >>> Join by SIP >>> >>> 92700794823 at zoomcrc.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Join by H.323 >>> >>> 162.255.37.11 (US West) >>> >>> 162.255.36.11 (US East) >>> >>> 221.122.88.195 (China) >>> >>> 115.114.131.7 (India Mumbai) >>> >>> 115.114.115.7 (India Hyderabad) >>> >>> 213.19.144.110 (Amsterdam Netherlands) >>> >>> 213.244.140.110 (Germany) >>> >>> 103.122.166.55 (Australia) >>> >>> 209.9.211.110 (Hong Kong SAR) >>> >>> 149.137.40.110 (Singapore) >>> >>> 64.211.144.160 (Brazil) >>> >>> 69.174.57.160 (Canada) >>> >>> 207.226.132.110 (Japan) >>> >>> Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 >>> >>> Passcode: 729734 >>> >>> Alycia Howard, Secretary of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 12:34:56 -0800 >>> From: Gene Kim >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [NABS-L] Time Is Running Out - The NABS At Large Seminar >>> Registration Deadline Is Tomorrow >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Hello NABS! >>> >>> I hope this finds you on a good start to the week. Coming at you with >>> another reminder that that registration for the virtual NABS At Large >>> Seminar, themed ?Speaking Up and Branching Out? (January 9 ? 10, 2021) is >>> closing tomorrow evening! You absolutely don?t want to miss this awesome >>> opportunity to level up your public speaking skills and confidence. Whether >>> you?ve been delivering polished speeches for years or just starting to >>> develop interest in becoming a more effective communicator, this seminar?s >>> got you covered with interactive activities, guest speakers, philosophical >>> discussions, and so much more. Don?t push this until later?register here >>> or using the link below! >>> >>>> https://forms.gle/pGrq8jg2TTa2opETA >>>> >>>> If you are in need of financial assistance to pay the $25 registration >>>> fee, please contact Trisha Kulkarni at nabs.president at gmail.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Warmly, >>>> >>> Gene >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Gene Sung-Ho Kim | B.S. Candidate, Symbolic Systems | Stanford University >>>> >>>> Social Media Coordinator | National Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> Secretary | California Association of Blind Students >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:45:07 -0600 >>> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" (by way of David >>> Andrews ) >>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [NABS-L] CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>> >>> >>> CVStats is an accessible website for displaying Covid19 data for >>> those who are blind or visually impaired. When the pandemic began and >>> still to this day, >>> most news sources and articles display data in graphs, or as a type >>> of visual representation that is hard, if not impossible for those >>> using screen readers >>> or who are low vision to understand. My goal in creating this site >>> was to find a way to gather data that people might find useful and >>> present it in a form >>> that is easy to read, understand and navigate. >>> >>> To date, the site currently enables viewing data as a global set of >>> statistics, by state in the United States, and by county in the >>> United states, with >>> more to come. I accept feature requests (although I may not be able >>> to complete them given that I also work a full job), but I will do my >>> best, as well >>> as comments and issues. >>> >>> Please visit >>> https://cvstats.net >>> >>> I hope this resource is useful to you, and please feel free to share >>> this with anyone you feel might be able to make use of it. >>> >>> Stay Safe, >>> >>> Ty >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Take Care, >>> Tyler Littlefield (he/him/his) >>> tyler at tysdomain.com >>> https://cvstats.net >>> >>> >>> Tyler has asked me to circulate the below message. This is a very >>> useful sight, and he has done a good job of making a difficult >>> presentation completely accessible to screen reader users. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 10 >>> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 00:10:17 -0500 >>> From: "Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President" >>> >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dues >>> Message-ID: <06ab01d6d2a0$94692f50$bd3b8df0$@gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Sent it your way ? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Amy Albin via NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:09 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Amy Albin >>> Subject: [NABS-L] Dues >>> >>> Hi Trisha, >>> >>> May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me the link? Thanks. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of NABS-L Digest, Vol 170, Issue 13 >>> *************************************** >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sami.j.osborne97%40gmail.com From tyler at tysdomain.com Tue Dec 15 23:53:52 2020 From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 18:53:52 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint In-Reply-To: <5fd93fb2.1c69fb81.156e4.05a3@mx.google.com> References: <5fd93fb2.1c69fb81.156e4.05a3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <65ddf03e-f6d3-68d2-b7df-78f182f4edbd@tysdomain.com> I'm not quite sure how one can claim to not want issues, yet drag all of this out on list. So lets take apart your assumptions, comments, etc, shall we? I didn't realize that someone who has a pressing issue or something that they are concerned about needs to introduce themselves. Maybe they are just quiet, but when someone speaks up and asks what a branch of an organization currently under a lot of fire right now for some very serious issues is doing to resolve those issues, it might mean it's time to have a discussion. Instead, you've chosen to wonder why they're even here in the first place, and to question them and their motives. We are an organization that proclaims to care about people, to want to advocate for people, and to make their lives better through our work. Simply telling someone that they should just "leave" when they're upset about instances of sexual assault is the exact opposite of everything an advocacy organization of NFB's calibre should stand for. Indeed, I would classify this situation as far more than a "frustrating" situation. You also make a lot of assumptions of what and how people who have suffered from abuse have reacted, or should react. I would like to point you to the numerous counts of women bravely coming forward to tell their story to counter this point. I do not believe that it is fair, nor right to suggest that anyone who chooses to do something different or respond differently by telling their story and asking for change is not doing the "normal" thing by just not simply putting their experiences behind them. This boarders, if it doesn't fully cross the line of accusing someone of not being truthful about their experiences, simply because their story, their actions and their behaviors don't fit within your preconceived ideals of what true victims should do. I personally find it offensive that you consider hearing about the traumatic events of those people who have came forward to be "bored with the details," and this is exactly why people have such a hard time coming forward and reporting. For the same reasons that we need to have constructive discussions, you have engaged in subtle victim blaming and have stood against everything that you are trying to prevent by keeping this discussion constructive. I do certainly hope that we can continue to have constructive discussions, but I firmly believe that this needs to occur through listening to those who have been abused, not telling them what they should be doing and how they might want to go about it. For my part, I hear you, and I stand with you. Thank you to everyone who has came forward, to everyone who is working, and to everyone who "bores themselves" with the details when people tell their stories. I have read as much of everything as I can, because I believe that if people can relive their traumatic experiences and write and tell their stories, the least I can do is read them. Thank you again. On 12/15/2020 5:58 PM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L wrote: > Juan, > > I am not a list moderator, but I honestly have reservations about you being allowed to remain on this list. It seems to me like all you've done since you subscribed is to post negative comments on this thread, whether based in reality or not. You never made an intro to introduce yourself to us, nor have you contributed to any other thread as far as I'm aware. I have no idea how long you've been  on here, but I don't recall you participating in any other discussions. If you don't like/are frustrated with the way a certain organization is being operated, then you just leave. Plain and simple; no one will force you to stay if you don't want to. That being said, I'm not trying to bring  you down or anything of that nature. I just don't like to see discussions turning into heated arguments. As Trisha said, making accusations, whether  unfounded or not,  is simply not tolerated on here. We want to see action taken, not simply making judgements, assumptions, or generalizations. With that said, if you've come on here to help out the NFB, I'm sure we'd all love to here any constructive ideas/criticisms you might have. Otherwise, to put it bluntly, I don't see any point of you being on this list if all you're going to do is stay negative. Whenever one is in a frustrating situation, it's better to (A) run away from the situation entirely, or, even better, (B) feel confident, if not optimistic, that the issue will be resolved. Like I said, you don't have to be part of an email listserve, let alone an entire organization, if you don't want to. > > As for the assaults/abuse themselves, I think part of the reason people aren't sharing specifics on here is because these allegations are of a rather sexual nature, and are much too graphic for constructive dialogue. I'm not a survivor myself, so I'm not sure if this is the case with everyone, but I think most survivors would rather, like I said, either forget about the situation entirely, or move forward and take real action for fellow survivors, so that these things will never happen again in the NFB or any other setting for that matter. Furthermore, most people who have read books and/or listened to true crime documentaries and podcasts know exactly what sexual abuse looks like, so they should have a general idea when it's brought up, so no one needs to be bored with all the gory, graphic details. It's also something, like I said, most survivors would simply want to forget about that time in their lives, and therefore not want to recount a second time unless they were reporting incidents to police. > > To be clear, I'm not on anyone's side on this issue, and I'm not defending the lack of response from the Federation—after reading the entirety of this thread, I do believe the organization and NABS need to take steps to prevent these things from occurring in the future. I just want this to be a constructive thread with people sharing suggestions and ideas, and really don't want to see it turn heated by people simply making assumptions and generalizations. > > I hope you (and everyone) understands my point of view here. > > Thanks for reading, > > Sami > > On Dec 15, 2020 8:47 AM, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >> Justen/NABS, what exactly is NABS doing/working on to address this problem? >> >> I also want you to give me examples of getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment. I semi believe you. You are the same person that gets your articles published in the Braille Monitor with ease and you also like to brag about your long streak of having an article published in I forgot which NFB related/affiliated publication. I think it might have been the Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness. >> >> So, can you give me examples of you getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment because I am not buying                       it. >> >>> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:03 AM, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org wrote: >>> >>> Send NABS-L mailing list submissions to >>>     nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>     http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>     nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>     nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of NABS-L digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>>    1. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Maura Loberg) >>>    2. Dues (Amy Albin) >>>    3. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Justin Salisbury) >>>    4. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Roanna Bacchus) >>>    5. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Caitlin Best) >>>    6. MNABS Monday Madness (Alycia Howard) >>>    7. MNABS Monday madness cont. (Alycia Howard) >>>    8. Time Is Running Out - The NABS At Large Seminar Registration >>>       Deadline Is Tomorrow (Gene Kim) >>>    9. CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site >>>       (Littlefield, Tyler) >>>   10. Re: Dues (Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 06:50:48 -0600 >>> From: Maura Loberg >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>     >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: <3B2E5F61-09D9-459E-A819-C06C1A6F0C09 at gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>> >>> Maura J. Loberg >>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 >>> President >>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> ?    As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>>>    This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>>> >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>> >>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>>> >>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>>> >>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>> >>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>>> >>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out at this year?s >>>>> >>>>> national convention. >>>>> >>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors  of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>>> >>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue of >>>>>>> sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct and >>>>>>> insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1 >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:09:16 -0500 >>> From: Amy Albin >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>     >>> Subject: [NABS-L] Dues >>> Message-ID: >>>     >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Hi Trisha, >>> >>> May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me >>> the link? Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:18:40 +0000 >>> From: Justin Salisbury >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>     >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: >>>     >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>> >>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. >>> >>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >>> >>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>> >>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>> >>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. >>> >>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>> >>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. >>> >>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. >>> >>> Aloha, >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>> he/him/his >>> >>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>> (808) 797-8606 >>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>> >>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform ? >>> >>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> >>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>> >>> Maura J. Loberg >>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> ?    As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>>>    This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>>> >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>> NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>> Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>> >>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>>> >>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>>> >>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>> >>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>>> >>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>> at this year?s >>>>> >>>>> national convention. >>>>> >>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors  of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>>> >>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>> l.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:46:01 +0000 >>> From: Roanna Bacchus >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>     >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: >>>     >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> What is going on? Did I miss something this weekend? >>> >>> On Dec 14, 2020 9:19 AM, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>> >>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. >>> >>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >>> >>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>> >>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>> >>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. >>> >>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>> >>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. >>> >>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. >>> >>> Aloha, >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>> he/him/his >>> >>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>>    A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>> (808) 797-8606 >>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>> >>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >>> >>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> >>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>> >>> Maura J. Loberg >>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> ?    As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>>>    This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>>> >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>> NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>> Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>> >>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>>> >>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>>> >>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>> >>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>>> >>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>> at this year?s >>>>> >>>>> national convention. >>>>> >>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors  of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>>> >>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>> l.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/r-bacchus%40outlook.com >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 07:00:31 -0800 >>> From: Caitlin Best >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>     >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: >>>     >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Thank you for your words, Justin. I believe you when you say there >>> will be change, and I am hoping that is true. Reading so many accounts >>> of misconduct has brought up a lot of memories of my own, which I have >>> written about on my social media account. For those who are curious >>> and I don't know personally, just know I am a victim and a survivor. I >>> will not be accepting requests from people I do not already know or >>> don't feel comfortable with. >>> >>> With so many stories comes a lot of pain and reliving trauma, and for >>> those of us who have experienced sexual assault, harassment, physical >>> violence, emotional or verbal abuse know that I am with you. I am here >>> for you. I believe you. If at all you feel like you need to talk, >>> please consider seeking professional help to start the healing process >>> and mend those wounds. You may be surprised how just talking about it >>> helps along with learning coping skills to handle those unbearable >>> moments of discomfort, anxiety, and panic. We may not be able to >>> change our pasts, but we have the ability to change the future--not >>> just for us, but for future students and future generations of blind >>> people. #MarchingTogether >>> Sincerely, >>> Caitlin >>> >>>> On 12/14/20, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about >>>> what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I >>>> think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us >>>> feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>>> >>>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say >>>> that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. >>>> I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm >>>> not afraid to join here. >>>> >>>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've >>>> never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we >>>> have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been >>>> treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >>>> >>>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, >>>> organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring >>>> conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished >>>> statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing >>>> that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; >>>> I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>>> >>>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck >>>> country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be >>>> the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a >>>> really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, >>>> agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm >>>> part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's >>>> because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>>> >>>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative >>>> suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy >>>> suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people >>>> where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm >>>> hoping that we can as a team. >>>> >>>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are >>>> genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the >>>> best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, >>>> and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. >>>> I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd >>>> like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched >>>> me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>>> >>>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell >>>> anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how >>>> to do the right thing. >>>> >>>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to >>>> get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope >>>> we can heal together. >>>> >>>> Aloha, >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> >>>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>>> he/him/his >>>> >>>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>>> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>>> (808) 797-8606 >>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>>> >>>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: >>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >>>> >>>> >>>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher >>>> education, please tell your story here: >>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> >>>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the >>>> scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much >>>> corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they >>>> really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion >>>> in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy >>>> changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and >>>> marching together. Sending love! >>>> >>>> Maura J. Loberg >>>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?    As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP >>>>> program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to >>>>> my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. >>>>> Especially our national president! >>>>>    This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be >>>>> taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses >>>>> to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to >>>>> do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to >>>>> this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come >>>>> forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be >>>>> taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until >>>>> these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to >>>>> suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are >>>>> taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need >>>>> to go! >>>>> >>>>> Warm Regards, >>>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the >>>>>> assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and >>>>>> religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my >>>>>> personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I >>>>>> have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken >>>>>> advantage of which is sick! >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>>> NABS-L >>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>>> Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>>> >>>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we >>>>>> are working on the issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to >>>>>> settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone >>>>>> will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for >>>>>> change, but nothing will happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they >>>>>> are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse >>>>>> continues for another generation. >>>>>> >>>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen >>>>>> is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard >>>>>> there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam >>>>>> knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed >>>>>> to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>>> >>>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not >>>>>> pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the >>>>>> youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>>> >>>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing >>>>>> members to the ACB. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a >>>>>> BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was >>>>>> given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined >>>>>> to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc >>>>>> until the NFB changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>>> at this year?s >>>>>> >>>>>> national convention. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization >>>>>>> happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as >>>>>>> well. >>>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children >>>>>>> when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. >>>>>>> Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms >>>>>>> of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the >>>>>>> survivors  of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good >>>>>>> number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds >>>>>>> right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that >>>>>>> values children, either. >>>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that >>>>>>> breaks today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to >>>>>>>> do about it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the >>>>>>>> nation?s blind. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>>> il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>>> l.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:28:46 -0600 >>> From: Alycia Howard >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday Madness >>> Message-ID: <825ADF92-1F1A-4CD2-9984-016D322D884A at icloud.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Hello everyone, happy Monday! To celebrate the end of the semester, come hang out with friends at MNABS Monday madness tonight, starting at 7 PM central. We look forward to seeing you all there! >>> >>> https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 >>> >>> Alycia Howard, Secretary of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:43:13 -0600 >>> From: Alycia Howard >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday madness cont. >>> Message-ID: <438B9513-2240-4CA8-AF8A-E77FC23E40C1 at icloud.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii >>> >>> I realized I forgot to put the rest of the meeting details into my last email. 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Coming at you with >>> another reminder that that registration for the virtual NABS At Large >>> Seminar, themed ?Speaking Up and Branching Out? (January 9 ? 10, 2021) is >>> closing tomorrow evening! You absolutely don?t want to miss this awesome >>> opportunity to level up your public speaking skills and confidence. Whether >>> you?ve been delivering polished speeches for years or just starting to >>> develop interest in becoming a more effective communicator, this seminar?s >>> got you covered with interactive activities, guest speakers, philosophical >>> discussions, and so much more. Don?t push this until later?register here >>> or using the link below! >>> >>>> https://forms.gle/pGrq8jg2TTa2opETA >>>> >>>> If you are in need of financial assistance to pay the $25 registration >>>> fee, please contact Trisha Kulkarni at nabs.president at gmail.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Warmly, >>>> >>> Gene >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Gene Sung-Ho Kim | B.S. Candidate, Symbolic Systems | Stanford University >>>> >>>> Social Media Coordinator | National Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> Secretary | California Association of Blind Students >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:45:07 -0600 >>> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" (by way of David >>>     Andrews ) >>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [NABS-L] CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>> >>> >>> CVStats is an accessible website for displaying Covid19 data for >>> those who are blind or visually impaired. When the pandemic began and >>> still to this day, >>> most news sources and articles display data in graphs, or as a type >>> of visual representation that is hard, if not impossible for those >>> using screen readers >>> or who are low vision to understand. My goal in creating this site >>> was to find a way to gather data that people might find useful and >>> present it in a form >>> that is easy to read, understand and navigate. >>> >>> To date, the site currently enables viewing data as a global set of >>> statistics, by state in the United States, and by county in the >>> United states, with >>> more to come. I accept feature requests (although I may not be able >>> to complete them given that I also work a full job), but I will do my >>> best, as well >>> as comments and issues. >>> >>> Please visit >>> https://cvstats.net >>> >>> I hope this resource is useful to you, and please feel free to share >>> this with anyone you feel might be able to make use of it. >>> >>> Stay Safe, >>> >>> Ty >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Take Care, >>> Tyler Littlefield (he/him/his) >>> tyler at tysdomain.com >>> https://cvstats.net >>> >>> >>> Tyler has asked me to circulate the below message. This is a very >>> useful sight, and he has done a good job of making a difficult >>> presentation completely accessible to screen reader users. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 10 >>> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 00:10:17 -0500 >>> From: "Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President" >>>     >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>     >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dues >>> Message-ID: <06ab01d6d2a0$94692f50$bd3b8df0$@gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Sent it your way ? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Amy Albin via NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:09 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Amy Albin >>> Subject: [NABS-L] Dues >>> >>> Hi Trisha, >>> >>> May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me the link? Thanks. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of NABS-L Digest, Vol 170, Issue 13 >>> *************************************** >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sami.j.osborne97%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 00:39:01 2020 From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (Robert Parsons) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 19:39:01 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint In-Reply-To: <65ddf03e-f6d3-68d2-b7df-78f182f4edbd@tysdomain.com> References: <65ddf03e-f6d3-68d2-b7df-78f182f4edbd@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: Good Evening My Friends I want to thank all of you for showing so much passion and support to all who have been affected by the issues being discussed. I also would love to shift the dialog a bit from ascertaining who is or isn't right to what we can do to make sure everyone who needs the support of NABS gets it. If possible, I would love to challenge you all to an activity aimed at showing our members' support in this difficult time. One of the activities that my fraternity would do is called "Words of Love," which was aimed at showing support or appreciation of the staff in our fraternity house. We did this by writing or typing words of comfort or support and anonymously delivering them to their work spaces. It was not something monumental, but it was a symbol of empathy, something that all of our friends that are speaking out need right now. Please, join me in this endeavor by contacting one or more people that you know that have spoken out, or even someone you don't know, and letting them know that you are there for them. Again, I know this is not the tangible, decisive response people may want at the moment, but sometimes, the first step is being present and supportive. I trust that NABS will continue to build on the rapport and empathy established by this random act of kindness. Don't give up on us, we are here to support blind students, and I'm here to listen and spread love. I am still forever grateful for your membership and hope you continue to be my family. With Love, Robert Parsons Jr. Board Member > On Dec 15, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via NABS-L wrote: > > I'm not quite sure how one can claim to not want issues, yet drag all of this out on list. So lets take apart your assumptions, comments, etc, shall we? > > I didn't realize that someone who has a pressing issue or something that they are concerned about needs to introduce themselves. Maybe they are just quiet, but when someone speaks up and asks what a branch of an organization currently under a lot of fire right now for some very serious issues is doing to resolve those issues, it might mean it's time to have a discussion. Instead, you've chosen to wonder why they're even here in the first place, and to question them and their motives. > > > We are an organization that proclaims to care about people, to want to advocate for people, and to make their lives better through our work. Simply telling someone that they should just "leave" when they're upset about instances of sexual assault is the exact opposite of everything an advocacy organization of NFB's calibre should stand for. Indeed, I would classify this situation as far more than a "frustrating" situation. > > > You also make a lot of assumptions of what and how people who have suffered from abuse have reacted, or should react. I would like to point you to the numerous counts of women bravely coming forward to tell their story to counter this point. I do not believe that it is fair, nor right to suggest that anyone who chooses to do something different or respond differently by telling their story and asking for change is not doing the "normal" thing by just not simply putting their experiences behind them. This boarders, if it doesn't fully cross the line of accusing someone of not being truthful about their experiences, simply because their story, their actions and their behaviors don't fit within your preconceived ideals of what true victims should do. > > > I personally find it offensive that you consider hearing about the traumatic events of those people who have came forward to be "bored with the details," and this is exactly why people have such a hard time coming forward and reporting. For the same reasons that we need to have constructive discussions, you have engaged in subtle victim blaming and have stood against everything that you are trying to prevent by keeping this discussion constructive. > > > I do certainly hope that we can continue to have constructive discussions, but I firmly believe that this needs to occur through listening to those who have been abused, not telling them what they should be doing and how they might want to go about it. For my part, I hear you, and I stand with you. Thank you to everyone who has came forward, to everyone who is working, and to everyone who "bores themselves" with the details when people tell their stories. I have read as much of everything as I can, because I believe that if people can relive their traumatic experiences and write and tell their stories, the least I can do is read them. Thank you again. > >> On 12/15/2020 5:58 PM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L wrote: >> Juan, >> >> I am not a list moderator, but I honestly have reservations about you being allowed to remain on this list. It seems to me like all you've done since you subscribed is to post negative comments on this thread, whether based in reality or not. You never made an intro to introduce yourself to us, nor have you contributed to any other thread as far as I'm aware. I have no idea how long you've been on here, but I don't recall you participating in any other discussions. If you don't like/are frustrated with the way a certain organization is being operated, then you just leave. Plain and simple; no one will force you to stay if you don't want to. That being said, I'm not trying to bring you down or anything of that nature. I just don't like to see discussions turning into heated arguments. As Trisha said, making accusations, whether unfounded or not, is simply not tolerated on here. We want to see action taken, not simply making judgements, assumptions, or generalizations. With that said, if you've come on here to help out the NFB, I'm sure we'd all love to here any constructive ideas/criticisms you might have. Otherwise, to put it bluntly, I don't see any point of you being on this list if all you're going to do is stay negative. Whenever one is in a frustrating situation, it's better to (A) run away from the situation entirely, or, even better, (B) feel confident, if not optimistic, that the issue will be resolved. Like I said, you don't have to be part of an email listserve, let alone an entire organization, if you don't want to. >> >> As for the assaults/abuse themselves, I think part of the reason people aren't sharing specifics on here is because these allegations are of a rather sexual nature, and are much too graphic for constructive dialogue. I'm not a survivor myself, so I'm not sure if this is the case with everyone, but I think most survivors would rather, like I said, either forget about the situation entirely, or move forward and take real action for fellow survivors, so that these things will never happen again in the NFB or any other setting for that matter. Furthermore, most people who have read books and/or listened to true crime documentaries and podcasts know exactly what sexual abuse looks like, so they should have a general idea when it's brought up, so no one needs to be bored with all the gory, graphic details. It's also something, like I said, most survivors would simply want to forget about that time in their lives, and therefore not want to recount a second time unless they were reporting incidents to police. >> >> To be clear, I'm not on anyone's side on this issue, and I'm not defending the lack of response from the Federation—after reading the entirety of this thread, I do believe the organization and NABS need to take steps to prevent these things from occurring in the future. I just want this to be a constructive thread with people sharing suggestions and ideas, and really don't want to see it turn heated by people simply making assumptions and generalizations. >> >> I hope you (and everyone) understands my point of view here. >> >> Thanks for reading, >> >> Sami >> >>> On Dec 15, 2020 8:47 AM, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>> Justen/NABS, what exactly is NABS doing/working on to address this problem? >>> >>> I also want you to give me examples of getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment. I semi believe you. You are the same person that gets your articles published in the Braille Monitor with ease and you also like to brag about your long streak of having an article published in I forgot which NFB related/affiliated publication. I think it might have been the Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness. >>> >>> So, can you give me examples of you getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment because I am not buying it. >>> >>>> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:03 AM, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org wrote: >>>> >>>> Send NABS-L mailing list submissions to >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of NABS-L digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Maura Loberg) >>>> 2. Dues (Amy Albin) >>>> 3. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Justin Salisbury) >>>> 4. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Roanna Bacchus) >>>> 5. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Caitlin Best) >>>> 6. MNABS Monday Madness (Alycia Howard) >>>> 7. MNABS Monday madness cont. (Alycia Howard) >>>> 8. Time Is Running Out - The NABS At Large Seminar Registration >>>> Deadline Is Tomorrow (Gene Kim) >>>> 9. CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site >>>> (Littlefield, Tyler) >>>> 10. Re: Dues (Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 06:50:48 -0600 >>>> From: Maura Loberg >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> Message-ID: <3B2E5F61-09D9-459E-A819-C06C1A6F0C09 at gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>> >>>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>>> >>>> Maura J. Loberg >>>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 >>>> President >>>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>>>> >>>>> Warm Regards, >>>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>>> >>>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>>>> >>>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>>> >>>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>>> >>>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out at this year?s >>>>>> >>>>>> national convention. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue of >>>>>>>> sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct and >>>>>>>> insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1 >>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:09:16 -0500 >>>> From: Amy Albin >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Subject: [NABS-L] Dues >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>> >>>> Hi Trisha, >>>> >>>> May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me >>>> the link? Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:18:40 +0000 >>>> From: Justin Salisbury >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>>> >>>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. >>>> >>>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >>>> >>>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>>> >>>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>>> >>>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. >>>> >>>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>>> >>>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. >>>> >>>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. >>>> >>>> Aloha, >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> >>>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>>> he/him/his >>>> >>>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>>> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>>> (808) 797-8606 >>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>>> >>>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform ? >>>> >>>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L >>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> >>>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>>> >>>> Maura J. Loberg >>>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>>>> >>>>> Warm Regards, >>>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>>> NABS-L >>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>>> Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>>> >>>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>>>> >>>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>>> >>>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>>> >>>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>>> at this year?s >>>>>> >>>>>> national convention. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>>> il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>>> l.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 4 >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:46:01 +0000 >>>> From: Roanna Bacchus >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> What is going on? Did I miss something this weekend? >>>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020 9:19 AM, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>>> >>>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. >>>> >>>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >>>> >>>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>>> >>>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>>> >>>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. >>>> >>>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>>> >>>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. >>>> >>>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. >>>> >>>> Aloha, >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> >>>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>>> he/him/his >>>> >>>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>>> A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>>> (808) 797-8606 >>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>>> >>>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >>>> >>>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L >>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> >>>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>>> >>>> Maura J. Loberg >>>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>>>> >>>>> Warm Regards, >>>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>>> NABS-L >>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>>> Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>>> >>>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>>>> >>>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>>> >>>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>>> >>>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>>> at this year?s >>>>>> >>>>>> national convention. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>>> il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>>> l.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/r-bacchus%40outlook.com >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 5 >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 07:00:31 -0800 >>>> From: Caitlin Best >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>> >>>> Thank you for your words, Justin. I believe you when you say there >>>> will be change, and I am hoping that is true. Reading so many accounts >>>> of misconduct has brought up a lot of memories of my own, which I have >>>> written about on my social media account. For those who are curious >>>> and I don't know personally, just know I am a victim and a survivor. I >>>> will not be accepting requests from people I do not already know or >>>> don't feel comfortable with. >>>> >>>> With so many stories comes a lot of pain and reliving trauma, and for >>>> those of us who have experienced sexual assault, harassment, physical >>>> violence, emotional or verbal abuse know that I am with you. I am here >>>> for you. I believe you. If at all you feel like you need to talk, >>>> please consider seeking professional help to start the healing process >>>> and mend those wounds. You may be surprised how just talking about it >>>> helps along with learning coping skills to handle those unbearable >>>> moments of discomfort, anxiety, and panic. We may not be able to >>>> change our pasts, but we have the ability to change the future--not >>>> just for us, but for future students and future generations of blind >>>> people. #MarchingTogether >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Caitlin >>>> >>>>> On 12/14/20, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about >>>>> what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I >>>>> think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us >>>>> feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>>>> >>>>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say >>>>> that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. >>>>> I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm >>>>> not afraid to join here. >>>>> >>>>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've >>>>> never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we >>>>> have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been >>>>> treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >>>>> >>>>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, >>>>> organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring >>>>> conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished >>>>> statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing >>>>> that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; >>>>> I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck >>>>> country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be >>>>> the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a >>>>> really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, >>>>> agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm >>>>> part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's >>>>> because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>>>> >>>>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative >>>>> suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy >>>>> suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people >>>>> where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm >>>>> hoping that we can as a team. >>>>> >>>>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are >>>>> genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the >>>>> best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, >>>>> and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. >>>>> I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd >>>>> like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched >>>>> me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>>>> >>>>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell >>>>> anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how >>>>> to do the right thing. >>>>> >>>>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to >>>>> get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope >>>>> we can heal together. >>>>> >>>>> Aloha, >>>>> >>>>> Justin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>>>> he/him/his >>>>> >>>>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>>>> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>>>> (808) 797-8606 >>>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>>>> >>>>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: >>>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher >>>>> education, please tell your story here: >>>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via >>>>> NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>> >>>>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the >>>>> scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much >>>>> corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they >>>>> really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion >>>>> in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy >>>>> changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and >>>>> marching together. Sending love! >>>>> >>>>> Maura J. Loberg >>>>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>>>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP >>>>>> program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to >>>>>> my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. >>>>>> Especially our national president! >>>>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be >>>>>> taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses >>>>>> to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to >>>>>> do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to >>>>>> this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come >>>>>> forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be >>>>>> taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until >>>>>> these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to >>>>>> suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are >>>>>> taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need >>>>>> to go! >>>>>> >>>>>> Warm Regards, >>>>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the >>>>>>> assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and >>>>>>> religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my >>>>>>> personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I >>>>>>> have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken >>>>>>> advantage of which is sick! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>>>> NABS-L >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>>>> Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we >>>>>>> are working on the issue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to >>>>>>> settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone >>>>>>> will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for >>>>>>> change, but nothing will happen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they >>>>>>> are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse >>>>>>> continues for another generation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen >>>>>>> is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard >>>>>>> there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam >>>>>>> knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed >>>>>>> to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not >>>>>>> pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the >>>>>>> youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing >>>>>>> members to the ACB. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a >>>>>>> BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was >>>>>>> given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined >>>>>>> to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc >>>>>>> until the NFB changes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>>>> at this year?s >>>>>>> >>>>>>> national convention. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization >>>>>>>> happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as >>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children >>>>>>>> when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. >>>>>>>> Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms >>>>>>>> of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the >>>>>>>> survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good >>>>>>>> number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds >>>>>>>> right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that >>>>>>>> values children, either. >>>>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that >>>>>>>> breaks today. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to >>>>>>>>> do about it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the >>>>>>>>> nation?s blind. >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>>>> il.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>>>> l.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>>>> l.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 6 >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:28:46 -0600 >>>> From: Alycia Howard >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday Madness >>>> Message-ID: <825ADF92-1F1A-4CD2-9984-016D322D884A at icloud.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> >>>> Hello everyone, happy Monday! To celebrate the end of the semester, come hang out with friends at MNABS Monday madness tonight, starting at 7 PM central. We look forward to seeing you all there! >>>> >>>> https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 >>>> >>>> Alycia Howard, Secretary of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 7 >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:43:13 -0600 >>>> From: Alycia Howard >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday madness cont. >>>> Message-ID: <438B9513-2240-4CA8-AF8A-E77FC23E40C1 at icloud.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> >>>> I realized I forgot to put the rest of the meeting details into my last email. Hope to see you all at Monday madness tonight at 7 PM Central. >>>> >>>> Topic: MNABS Monday Madness >>>> >>>> Time: This is a recurring meeting Meet anytime >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Join Zoom Meeting >>>> >>>> https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 >>>> >>>> Passcode: 7ZiFp! >>>> >>>> One tap mobile >>>> >>>> +16513728299,,92700794823#,,,,,,0#,,729734# US (Minnesota) >>>> >>>> +13017158592,,92700794823#,,,,,,0#,,729734# US (Washington D.C) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dial by your location >>>> >>>> +1 651 372 8299 US (Minnesota) >>>> >>>> +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington D.C) >>>> >>>> +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) >>>> >>>> +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) >>>> >>>> +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) >>>> >>>> +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) >>>> >>>> +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) >>>> >>>> Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 >>>> >>>> Passcode: 729734 >>>> >>>> Find your local number: https://umn.zoom.us/u/axyPdL6DK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Join by SIP >>>> >>>> 92700794823 at zoomcrc.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Join by H.323 >>>> >>>> 162.255.37.11 (US West) >>>> >>>> 162.255.36.11 (US East) >>>> >>>> 221.122.88.195 (China) >>>> >>>> 115.114.131.7 (India Mumbai) >>>> >>>> 115.114.115.7 (India Hyderabad) >>>> >>>> 213.19.144.110 (Amsterdam Netherlands) >>>> >>>> 213.244.140.110 (Germany) >>>> >>>> 103.122.166.55 (Australia) >>>> >>>> 209.9.211.110 (Hong Kong SAR) >>>> >>>> 149.137.40.110 (Singapore) >>>> >>>> 64.211.144.160 (Brazil) >>>> >>>> 69.174.57.160 (Canada) >>>> >>>> 207.226.132.110 (Japan) >>>> >>>> Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 >>>> >>>> Passcode: 729734 >>>> >>>> Alycia Howard, Secretary of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 8 >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 12:34:56 -0800 >>>> From: Gene Kim >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Subject: [NABS-L] Time Is Running Out - The NABS At Large Seminar >>>> Registration Deadline Is Tomorrow >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>> >>>> Hello NABS! >>>> >>>> I hope this finds you on a good start to the week. Coming at you with >>>> another reminder that that registration for the virtual NABS At Large >>>> Seminar, themed ?Speaking Up and Branching Out? (January 9 ? 10, 2021) is >>>> closing tomorrow evening! You absolutely don?t want to miss this awesome >>>> opportunity to level up your public speaking skills and confidence. Whether >>>> you?ve been delivering polished speeches for years or just starting to >>>> develop interest in becoming a more effective communicator, this seminar?s >>>> got you covered with interactive activities, guest speakers, philosophical >>>> discussions, and so much more. Don?t push this until later?register here >>>> or using the link below! >>>> >>>>> https://forms.gle/pGrq8jg2TTa2opETA >>>>> >>>>> If you are in need of financial assistance to pay the $25 registration >>>>> fee, please contact Trisha Kulkarni at nabs.president at gmail.com. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Warmly, >>>>> >>>> Gene >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Gene Sung-Ho Kim | B.S. Candidate, Symbolic Systems | Stanford University >>>>> >>>>> Social Media Coordinator | National Association of Blind Students >>>>> >>>>> Secretary | California Association of Blind Students >>>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 9 >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:45:07 -0600 >>>> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" (by way of David >>>> Andrews ) >>>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [NABS-L] CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site >>>> Message-ID: >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>>> >>>> >>>> CVStats is an accessible website for displaying Covid19 data for >>>> those who are blind or visually impaired. When the pandemic began and >>>> still to this day, >>>> most news sources and articles display data in graphs, or as a type >>>> of visual representation that is hard, if not impossible for those >>>> using screen readers >>>> or who are low vision to understand. My goal in creating this site >>>> was to find a way to gather data that people might find useful and >>>> present it in a form >>>> that is easy to read, understand and navigate. >>>> >>>> To date, the site currently enables viewing data as a global set of >>>> statistics, by state in the United States, and by county in the >>>> United states, with >>>> more to come. I accept feature requests (although I may not be able >>>> to complete them given that I also work a full job), but I will do my >>>> best, as well >>>> as comments and issues. >>>> >>>> Please visit >>>> https://cvstats.net >>>> >>>> I hope this resource is useful to you, and please feel free to share >>>> this with anyone you feel might be able to make use of it. >>>> >>>> Stay Safe, >>>> >>>> Ty >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Take Care, >>>> Tyler Littlefield (he/him/his) >>>> tyler at tysdomain.com >>>> https://cvstats.net >>>> >>>> >>>> Tyler has asked me to circulate the below message. This is a very >>>> useful sight, and he has done a good job of making a difficult >>>> presentation completely accessible to screen reader users. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 10 >>>> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 00:10:17 -0500 >>>> From: "Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President" >>>> >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dues >>>> Message-ID: <06ab01d6d2a0$94692f50$bd3b8df0$@gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>> >>>> Sent it your way ? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Amy Albin via NABS-L >>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:09 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Cc: Amy Albin >>>> Subject: [NABS-L] Dues >>>> >>>> Hi Trisha, >>>> >>>> May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me the link? Thanks. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Subject: Digest Footer >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> End of NABS-L Digest, Vol 170, Issue 13 >>>> *************************************** >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sami.j.osborne97%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rob.parso3389%40gmail.com From kschaber at my.chemeketa.edu Wed Dec 16 03:10:53 2020 From: kschaber at my.chemeketa.edu (Kendra Schaber) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 03:10:53 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] No longer wanted braille math textbooks! Message-ID: Hi all! I’m getting ready to move and I have also changed my college degree. I have a tun of hard copy braille math books that I don’t have storage space for. The first book is called: Calculus Early transcendentales, Sixth Edition. I also have another Calculus book that’s not in front of me so can’t offer its title. If anyone needs a braille Calculus book or two, let me know off list. I’m at: redwing731 at gmail.com Or Kschaber at my.Chemeketa.edu If you’re interested, let me know and I’ll be happy to send them to you! Kendra Schaber Get Outlook for iOS Get Outlook for iOS From gene.sh.kim at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 03:44:55 2020 From: gene.sh.kim at gmail.com (Gene Kim) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 19:44:55 -0800 Subject: [NABS-L] Register By Tonight for the NABS At Large Seminar Message-ID: Hey NABS! The clock is ticking—just a few hours left until the registration for the virtual NABS At Large Seminar, themed “Speaking Up and Branching Out” (January 9 – 10, 2021) closes! You absolutely don’t want to miss this awesome opportunity to level up your public speaking skills and confidence. Whether you’ve been delivering polished speeches for years or just starting to develop interest in becoming a more effective communicator, this seminar’s got you covered with interactive activities, guest speakers, philosophical discussions, and so much more. Register using the link below! https://forms.gle/pGrq8jg2TTa2opETA If you are in need of financial assistance to pay the $25 registration fee, please don’t hesitate to contact Trisha Kulkarni at nabs.president at gmail.com . Warmly, Gene -- Gene Sung-Ho Kim | B.S. Candidate, Symbolic Systems | Stanford University Social Media Coordinator | National Association of Blind Students Secretary | California Association of Blind Students From maxs71055 at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 07:27:49 2020 From: maxs71055 at gmail.com (Max Smith) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 23:27:49 -0800 Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint Message-ID: <918ABC95-73BD-4554-A43C-DCDD00F0AD60@gmail.com> The ACB also has very prestigious scholarships. Please NABS stand up to the NFB. I believe in us let’s not let the future of the nations blind down. Where’s all my real leaders at? Let’s go NABS. > On Dec 15, 2020, at 3:33 PM, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org wrote: > > Send NABS-L mailing list submissions to > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NABS-L digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. NABS Officers Standpoint (Juan Parra) > 2. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Trisha Kulkarni) > 3. Reminder: Join Us for Missouri Association of Blind Students > Holiday Movie Night, This Friday at 6 PM CST! ?? (Seyoon Choi) > 4. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Sami Osborne) > 5. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Cricket X. Bidleman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 05:47:46 -0800 > From: Juan Parra > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Justen/NABS, what exactly is NABS doing/working on to address this problem? > > I also want you to give me examples of getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment. I semi believe you. You are the same person that gets your articles published in the Braille Monitor with ease and you also like to brag about your long streak of having an article published in I forgot which NFB related/affiliated publication. I think it might have been the Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness. > > So, can you give me examples of you getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment because I am not buying it. > > >> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:03 AM, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org wrote: >> >> ?Send NABS-L mailing list submissions to >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of NABS-L digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Maura Loberg) >> 2. Dues (Amy Albin) >> 3. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Justin Salisbury) >> 4. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Roanna Bacchus) >> 5. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Caitlin Best) >> 6. MNABS Monday Madness (Alycia Howard) >> 7. MNABS Monday madness cont. (Alycia Howard) >> 8. Time Is Running Out - The NABS At Large Seminar Registration >> Deadline Is Tomorrow (Gene Kim) >> 9. CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site >> (Littlefield, Tyler) >> 10. Re: Dues (Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 06:50:48 -0600 >> From: Maura Loberg >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >> Message-ID: <3B2E5F61-09D9-459E-A819-C06C1A6F0C09 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >> >> Maura J. Loberg >> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 >> President >> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >> >> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>> >>> Warm Regards, >>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> >>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>> >>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>> >>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>> >>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>> >>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>> >>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>> >>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>> >>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>> >>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>> >>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out at this year?s >>>> >>>> national convention. >>>> >>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>> >>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?good morning, >>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>> >>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue of >>>>>> sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct and >>>>>> insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1 >>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:09:16 -0500 >> From: Amy Albin >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: [NABS-L] Dues >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Hi Trisha, >> >> May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me >> the link? Thanks. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:18:40 +0000 >> From: Justin Salisbury >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >> >> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. >> >> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >> >> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >> >> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. >> >> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. >> >> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >> >> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. >> >> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. >> >> Aloha, >> >> Justin >> >> >> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >> he/him/his >> >> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >> (808) 797-8606 >> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >> >> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform ? >> >> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Maura Loberg >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >> >> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >> >> Maura J. Loberg >> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >> >> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>> >>> Warm Regards, >>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>> Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> >>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>> >>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>> >>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>> >>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>> >>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>> >>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>> >>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>> >>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>> >>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>> >>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>> at this year?s >>>> >>>> national convention. >>>> >>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>> >>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?good morning, >>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>> >>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>> r1 >>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>> il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>> l.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:46:01 +0000 >> From: Roanna Bacchus >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> What is going on? Did I miss something this weekend? >> >> On Dec 14, 2020 9:19 AM, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >> >> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. >> >> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >> >> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >> >> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. >> >> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. >> >> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >> >> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. >> >> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. >> >> Aloha, >> >> Justin >> >> >> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >> he/him/his >> >> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >> A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >> (808) 797-8606 >> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >> >> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >> >> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Maura Loberg >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >> >> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >> >> Maura J. Loberg >> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >> >> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>> >>> Warm Regards, >>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>> Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> >>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>> >>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>> >>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>> >>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>> >>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>> >>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>> >>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>> >>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>> >>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>> >>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>> at this year?s >>>> >>>> national convention. >>>> >>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>> >>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?good morning, >>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>> >>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>> r1 >>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>> il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>> l.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/r-bacchus%40outlook.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 07:00:31 -0800 >> From: Caitlin Best >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Thank you for your words, Justin. I believe you when you say there >> will be change, and I am hoping that is true. Reading so many accounts >> of misconduct has brought up a lot of memories of my own, which I have >> written about on my social media account. For those who are curious >> and I don't know personally, just know I am a victim and a survivor. I >> will not be accepting requests from people I do not already know or >> don't feel comfortable with. >> >> With so many stories comes a lot of pain and reliving trauma, and for >> those of us who have experienced sexual assault, harassment, physical >> violence, emotional or verbal abuse know that I am with you. I am here >> for you. I believe you. If at all you feel like you need to talk, >> please consider seeking professional help to start the healing process >> and mend those wounds. You may be surprised how just talking about it >> helps along with learning coping skills to handle those unbearable >> moments of discomfort, anxiety, and panic. We may not be able to >> change our pasts, but we have the ability to change the future--not >> just for us, but for future students and future generations of blind >> people. #MarchingTogether >> Sincerely, >> Caitlin >> >>>> On 12/14/20, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about >>> what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I >>> think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us >>> feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>> >>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say >>> that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. >>> I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm >>> not afraid to join here. >>> >>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've >>> never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we >>> have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been >>> treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >>> >>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, >>> organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring >>> conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished >>> statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing >>> that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; >>> I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>> >>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck >>> country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be >>> the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a >>> really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, >>> agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm >>> part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's >>> because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>> >>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative >>> suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy >>> suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people >>> where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm >>> hoping that we can as a team. >>> >>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are >>> genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the >>> best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, >>> and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. >>> I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd >>> like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched >>> me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>> >>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell >>> anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how >>> to do the right thing. >>> >>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to >>> get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope >>> we can heal together. >>> >>> Aloha, >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>> he/him/his >>> >>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>> (808) 797-8606 >>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>> >>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: >>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >>> >>> >>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher >>> education, please tell your story here: >>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> >>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the >>> scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much >>> corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they >>> really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion >>> in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy >>> changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and >>> marching together. Sending love! >>> >>> Maura J. Loberg >>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP >>>> program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to >>>> my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. >>>> Especially our national president! >>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be >>>> taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses >>>> to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to >>>> do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to >>>> this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come >>>> forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be >>>> taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until >>>> these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to >>>> suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are >>>> taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need >>>> to go! >>>> >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the >>>>> assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and >>>>> religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my >>>>> personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I >>>>> have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken >>>>> advantage of which is sick! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>> NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>> Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>> >>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we >>>>> are working on the issue. >>>>> >>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to >>>>> settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone >>>>> will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for >>>>> change, but nothing will happen. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they >>>>> are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse >>>>> continues for another generation. >>>>> >>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen >>>>> is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard >>>>> there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam >>>>> knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed >>>>> to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>> >>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not >>>>> pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the >>>>> youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing >>>>> members to the ACB. >>>>> >>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a >>>>> BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was >>>>> given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined >>>>> to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc >>>>> until the NFB changes. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>> at this year?s >>>>> >>>>> national convention. >>>>> >>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization >>>>>> happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as >>>>>> well. >>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children >>>>>> when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. >>>>>> Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms >>>>>> of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the >>>>>> survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good >>>>>> number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds >>>>>> right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that >>>>>> values children, either. >>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that >>>>>> breaks today. >>>>>> >>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to >>>>>>> do about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the >>>>>>> nation?s blind. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>> l.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:28:46 -0600 >> From: Alycia Howard >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday Madness >> Message-ID: <825ADF92-1F1A-4CD2-9984-016D322D884A at icloud.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Hello everyone, happy Monday! To celebrate the end of the semester, come hang out with friends at MNABS Monday madness tonight, starting at 7 PM central. We look forward to seeing you all there! >> >> https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 >> >> Alycia Howard, Secretary of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:43:13 -0600 >> From: Alycia Howard >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday madness cont. >> Message-ID: <438B9513-2240-4CA8-AF8A-E77FC23E40C1 at icloud.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> I realized I forgot to put the rest of the meeting details into my last email. 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Coming at you with >> another reminder that that registration for the virtual NABS At Large >> Seminar, themed ?Speaking Up and Branching Out? (January 9 ? 10, 2021) is >> closing tomorrow evening! You absolutely don?t want to miss this awesome >> opportunity to level up your public speaking skills and confidence. Whether >> you?ve been delivering polished speeches for years or just starting to >> develop interest in becoming a more effective communicator, this seminar?s >> got you covered with interactive activities, guest speakers, philosophical >> discussions, and so much more. Don?t push this until later?register here >> or using the link below! >> >>> https://forms.gle/pGrq8jg2TTa2opETA >>> >>> If you are in need of financial assistance to pay the $25 registration >>> fee, please contact Trisha Kulkarni at nabs.president at gmail.com. >>> >>> >>> >>> Warmly, >>> >> Gene >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Gene Sung-Ho Kim | B.S. Candidate, Symbolic Systems | Stanford University >>> >>> Social Media Coordinator | National Association of Blind Students >>> >>> Secretary | California Association of Blind Students >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:45:07 -0600 >> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" (by way of David >> Andrews ) >> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [NABS-L] CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> >> CVStats is an accessible website for displaying Covid19 data for >> those who are blind or visually impaired. When the pandemic began and >> still to this day, >> most news sources and articles display data in graphs, or as a type >> of visual representation that is hard, if not impossible for those >> using screen readers >> or who are low vision to understand. My goal in creating this site >> was to find a way to gather data that people might find useful and >> present it in a form >> that is easy to read, understand and navigate. >> >> To date, the site currently enables viewing data as a global set of >> statistics, by state in the United States, and by county in the >> United states, with >> more to come. I accept feature requests (although I may not be able >> to complete them given that I also work a full job), but I will do my >> best, as well >> as comments and issues. >> >> Please visit >> https://cvstats.net >> >> I hope this resource is useful to you, and please feel free to share >> this with anyone you feel might be able to make use of it. >> >> Stay Safe, >> >> Ty >> >> -- >> >> Take Care, >> Tyler Littlefield (he/him/his) >> tyler at tysdomain.com >> https://cvstats.net >> >> >> Tyler has asked me to circulate the below message. This is a very >> useful sight, and he has done a good job of making a difficult >> presentation completely accessible to screen reader users. >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 00:10:17 -0500 >> From: "Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President" >> >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dues >> Message-ID: <06ab01d6d2a0$94692f50$bd3b8df0$@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Sent it your way ? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Amy Albin via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:09 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Amy Albin >> Subject: [NABS-L] Dues >> >> Hi Trisha, >> >> May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me the link? Thanks. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of NABS-L Digest, Vol 170, Issue 13 >> *************************************** > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 11:08:43 -0500 > From: Trisha Kulkarni > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Juan and All, > > I speak on behalf of NABS leadership when I say that the past two weeks have been heartbreaking but also extremely motivating to make our organization a safe and inclusive place for all. We have already invited members to reach out with ideas for how our student division can improve, and we have been in constant communication about action that needs to be taken. > > However, in working toward a safer community, this mailing list will not be used to accuse members of lying about their experiences. Not only is it hurtful and counterproductive, it will not be tolerated. No surviver deserves to be unheard or unwelcome, and making demands will not be how we move forward together. > > Trisha Kulkarni > President | National Association of Blind Students > A Proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind > www.nabslink.org > >> On Dec 15, 2020, at 8:50 AM, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >> >> ?Justen/NABS, what exactly is NABS doing/working on to address this problem? >> >> I also want you to give me examples of getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment. I semi believe you. You are the same person that gets your articles published in the Braille Monitor with ease and you also like to brag about your long streak of having an article published in I forgot which NFB related/affiliated publication. I think it might have been the Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness. >> >> So, can you give me examples of you getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment because I am not buying it. >> >> >>>> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:03 AM, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org wrote: >>> >>> ?Send NABS-L mailing list submissions to >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of NABS-L digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Maura Loberg) >>> 2. Dues (Amy Albin) >>> 3. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Justin Salisbury) >>> 4. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Roanna Bacchus) >>> 5. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Caitlin Best) >>> 6. MNABS Monday Madness (Alycia Howard) >>> 7. MNABS Monday madness cont. (Alycia Howard) >>> 8. Time Is Running Out - The NABS At Large Seminar Registration >>> Deadline Is Tomorrow (Gene Kim) >>> 9. CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site >>> (Littlefield, Tyler) >>> 10. Re: Dues (Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 06:50:48 -0600 >>> From: Maura Loberg >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: <3B2E5F61-09D9-459E-A819-C06C1A6F0C09 at gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>> >>> Maura J. Loberg >>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 >>> President >>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>>> >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>> >>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>>> >>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>>> >>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>> >>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>>> >>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out at this year?s >>>>> >>>>> national convention. >>>>> >>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>>> >>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue of >>>>>>> sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct and >>>>>>> insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1 >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:09:16 -0500 >>> From: Amy Albin >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [NABS-L] Dues >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Hi Trisha, >>> >>> May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me >>> the link? Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:18:40 +0000 >>> From: Justin Salisbury >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>> >>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. >>> >>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >>> >>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>> >>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>> >>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. >>> >>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>> >>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. >>> >>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. >>> >>> Aloha, >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>> he/him/his >>> >>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>> (808) 797-8606 >>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>> >>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform ? >>> >>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> >>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>> >>> Maura J. Loberg >>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>>> >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>> NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>> Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>> >>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>>> >>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>>> >>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>> >>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>>> >>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>> at this year?s >>>>> >>>>> national convention. >>>>> >>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>>> >>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>> l.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:46:01 +0000 >>> From: Roanna Bacchus >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> What is going on? Did I miss something this weekend? >>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020 9:19 AM, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>> >>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. >>> >>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >>> >>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>> >>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>> >>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. >>> >>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>> >>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. >>> >>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. >>> >>> Aloha, >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>> he/him/his >>> >>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>> A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>> (808) 797-8606 >>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>> >>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >>> >>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> >>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>> >>> Maura J. Loberg >>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>>> >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>> NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>> Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>> >>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>>> >>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>>> >>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>> >>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>>> >>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>> at this year?s >>>>> >>>>> national convention. >>>>> >>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>>> >>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>> l.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/r-bacchus%40outlook.com >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 07:00:31 -0800 >>> From: Caitlin Best >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Thank you for your words, Justin. I believe you when you say there >>> will be change, and I am hoping that is true. Reading so many accounts >>> of misconduct has brought up a lot of memories of my own, which I have >>> written about on my social media account. For those who are curious >>> and I don't know personally, just know I am a victim and a survivor. I >>> will not be accepting requests from people I do not already know or >>> don't feel comfortable with. >>> >>> With so many stories comes a lot of pain and reliving trauma, and for >>> those of us who have experienced sexual assault, harassment, physical >>> violence, emotional or verbal abuse know that I am with you. I am here >>> for you. I believe you. If at all you feel like you need to talk, >>> please consider seeking professional help to start the healing process >>> and mend those wounds. You may be surprised how just talking about it >>> helps along with learning coping skills to handle those unbearable >>> moments of discomfort, anxiety, and panic. We may not be able to >>> change our pasts, but we have the ability to change the future--not >>> just for us, but for future students and future generations of blind >>> people. #MarchingTogether >>> Sincerely, >>> Caitlin >>> >>>>> On 12/14/20, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about >>>> what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I >>>> think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us >>>> feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>>> >>>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say >>>> that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. >>>> I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm >>>> not afraid to join here. >>>> >>>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've >>>> never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we >>>> have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been >>>> treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >>>> >>>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, >>>> organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring >>>> conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished >>>> statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing >>>> that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; >>>> I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>>> >>>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck >>>> country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be >>>> the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a >>>> really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, >>>> agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm >>>> part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's >>>> because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>>> >>>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative >>>> suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy >>>> suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people >>>> where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm >>>> hoping that we can as a team. >>>> >>>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are >>>> genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the >>>> best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, >>>> and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. >>>> I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd >>>> like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched >>>> me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>>> >>>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell >>>> anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how >>>> to do the right thing. >>>> >>>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to >>>> get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope >>>> we can heal together. >>>> >>>> Aloha, >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> >>>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>>> he/him/his >>>> >>>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>>> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>>> (808) 797-8606 >>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>>> >>>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: >>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >>>> >>>> >>>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher >>>> education, please tell your story here: >>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> >>>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the >>>> scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much >>>> corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they >>>> really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion >>>> in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy >>>> changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and >>>> marching together. Sending love! >>>> >>>> Maura J. Loberg >>>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP >>>>> program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to >>>>> my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. >>>>> Especially our national president! >>>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be >>>>> taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses >>>>> to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to >>>>> do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to >>>>> this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come >>>>> forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be >>>>> taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until >>>>> these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to >>>>> suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are >>>>> taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need >>>>> to go! >>>>> >>>>> Warm Regards, >>>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the >>>>>> assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and >>>>>> religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my >>>>>> personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I >>>>>> have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken >>>>>> advantage of which is sick! >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>>> NABS-L >>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>>> Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>>> >>>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we >>>>>> are working on the issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to >>>>>> settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone >>>>>> will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for >>>>>> change, but nothing will happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they >>>>>> are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse >>>>>> continues for another generation. >>>>>> >>>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen >>>>>> is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard >>>>>> there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam >>>>>> knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed >>>>>> to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>>> >>>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not >>>>>> pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the >>>>>> youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>>> >>>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing >>>>>> members to the ACB. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a >>>>>> BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was >>>>>> given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined >>>>>> to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc >>>>>> until the NFB changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>>> at this year?s >>>>>> >>>>>> national convention. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization >>>>>>> happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as >>>>>>> well. >>>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children >>>>>>> when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. >>>>>>> Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms >>>>>>> of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the >>>>>>> survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good >>>>>>> number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds >>>>>>> right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that >>>>>>> values children, either. >>>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that >>>>>>> breaks today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to >>>>>>>> do about it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the >>>>>>>> nation?s blind. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>>> il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>>> l.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:28:46 -0600 >>> From: Alycia Howard >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday Madness >>> Message-ID: <825ADF92-1F1A-4CD2-9984-016D322D884A at icloud.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Hello everyone, happy Monday! To celebrate the end of the semester, come hang out with friends at MNABS Monday madness tonight, starting at 7 PM central. We look forward to seeing you all there! >>> >>> https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 >>> >>> Alycia Howard, Secretary of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:43:13 -0600 >>> From: Alycia Howard >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday madness cont. >>> Message-ID: <438B9513-2240-4CA8-AF8A-E77FC23E40C1 at icloud.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> I realized I forgot to put the rest of the meeting details into my last email. 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Coming at you with >>> another reminder that that registration for the virtual NABS At Large >>> Seminar, themed ?Speaking Up and Branching Out? (January 9 ? 10, 2021) is >>> closing tomorrow evening! You absolutely don?t want to miss this awesome >>> opportunity to level up your public speaking skills and confidence. Whether >>> you?ve been delivering polished speeches for years or just starting to >>> develop interest in becoming a more effective communicator, this seminar?s >>> got you covered with interactive activities, guest speakers, philosophical >>> discussions, and so much more. Don?t push this until later?register here >>> or using the link below! >>> >>>> https://forms.gle/pGrq8jg2TTa2opETA >>>> >>>> If you are in need of financial assistance to pay the $25 registration >>>> fee, please contact Trisha Kulkarni at nabs.president at gmail.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Warmly, >>>> >>> Gene >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Gene Sung-Ho Kim | B.S. Candidate, Symbolic Systems | Stanford University >>>> >>>> Social Media Coordinator | National Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> Secretary | California Association of Blind Students >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:45:07 -0600 >>> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" (by way of David >>> Andrews ) >>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [NABS-L] CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>> >>> >>> CVStats is an accessible website for displaying Covid19 data for >>> those who are blind or visually impaired. When the pandemic began and >>> still to this day, >>> most news sources and articles display data in graphs, or as a type >>> of visual representation that is hard, if not impossible for those >>> using screen readers >>> or who are low vision to understand. My goal in creating this site >>> was to find a way to gather data that people might find useful and >>> present it in a form >>> that is easy to read, understand and navigate. >>> >>> To date, the site currently enables viewing data as a global set of >>> statistics, by state in the United States, and by county in the >>> United states, with >>> more to come. I accept feature requests (although I may not be able >>> to complete them given that I also work a full job), but I will do my >>> best, as well >>> as comments and issues. >>> >>> Please visit >>> https://cvstats.net >>> >>> I hope this resource is useful to you, and please feel free to share >>> this with anyone you feel might be able to make use of it. >>> >>> Stay Safe, >>> >>> Ty >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Take Care, >>> Tyler Littlefield (he/him/his) >>> tyler at tysdomain.com >>> https://cvstats.net >>> >>> >>> Tyler has asked me to circulate the below message. This is a very >>> useful sight, and he has done a good job of making a difficult >>> presentation completely accessible to screen reader users. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 10 >>> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 00:10:17 -0500 >>> From: "Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President" >>> >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dues >>> Message-ID: <06ab01d6d2a0$94692f50$bd3b8df0$@gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Sent it your way ? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Amy Albin via NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:09 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Amy Albin >>> Subject: [NABS-L] Dues >>> >>> Hi Trisha, >>> >>> May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me the link? Thanks. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of NABS-L Digest, Vol 170, Issue 13 >>> *************************************** >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kulkarnitrisha909%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 17:39:38 +0000 > From: Seyoon Choi > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > , NFB of Missouri Mailing List , > "mlsimsrn at gmail.com" , "erendyda at icloud.com" > , Roman Solano , Jenny > Carmack , "hani.mar2009 at gmail.com" > , "Amberwolf1504 at gmail.com" > , Sarah Coccovizzo , > "terra at coccovizzo.com" , > "s75005 at parkhill.k12.mo.us" , > "grace2001fisher at gmail.com" , Liam McCoy > , "Washing10a at gmail.com" > , Sam Doman , Abby Burton > , Lydia Olmsted , Kristen > Keene , Claire Right > , Aryana Dread , > "ZACCARYLARSON01 at yahoo.com" , > "tigerlillypatton at gmail.com" , Aida Talic > , Mausam Mehta , > Shelia Wright , Shelia Wright > > Subject: [NABS-L] Reminder: Join Us for Missouri Association of Blind > Students Holiday Movie Night, This Friday at 6 PM CST! ?? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > What?s up students? > > It?s the most wonderful time of the year! To celebrate, the Missouri Association of blind Students is delighted to invite you and your Friends and family to our holiday movie night this Friday, December 18 at 6 PM CST. We will be watching ?How The Grinch Stole Christmas?. Your presence is requested, and don?t forget your popcorn and hot chocolate! > > Join Zoom Meeting > https://slu.zoom.us/j/95774977854 > > Meeting ID: 957 7497 7854 > > One tap mobile > +13017158592,95774977854# US (Washington D.C) > +13126266799,95774977854# US (Chicago) > > See you then!! > > Seyoon, > > Seyoon Choi, he/him/his > Board Member: Missouri Association of Blind Students > Co-chair | Outreach Committee > National Association of Blind Students > schoi09 at outlook.com > (314) 650-8306 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 17:58:56 -0500 > From: Sami Osborne > To: Juan Parra via NABS-L > Cc: Juan Parra > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > Message-ID: <5fd93fb2.1c69fb81.156e4.05a3 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Juan, > > I am not a list moderator, but I honestly have reservations about you being allowed to remain on this list. It seems to me like all you've done since you subscribed is to post negative comments on this thread, whether based in reality or not. You never made an intro to introduce yourself to us, nor have you contributed to any other thread as far as I'm aware. I have no idea how long you've been? on here, but I don't recall you participating in any other discussions. If you don't like/are frustrated with the way a certain organization is being operated, then you just leave. Plain and simple; no one will force you to stay if you don't want to. That being said, I'm not trying to bring? you down or anything of that nature. I just don't like to see discussions turning into heated arguments. As Trisha said, making accusations, whether? unfounded or not,? is simply not tolerated on here. We want to see action taken, not simply making judgements, assumptions, or generalizations. With that said, if you've come on here to help out the NFB, I'm sure we'd all love to here any constructive ideas/criticisms you might have. Otherwise, to put it bluntly, I don't see any point of you being on this list if all you're going to do is stay negative. Whenever one is in a frustrating situation, it's better to (A) run away from the situation entirely, or, even better, (B) feel confident, if not optimistic, that the issue will be resolved. Like I said, you don't have to be part of an email listserve, let alone an entire organization, if you don't want to. > > As for the assaults/abuse themselves, I think part of the reason people aren't sharing specifics on here is because these allegations are of a rather sexual nature, and are much too graphic for constructive dialogue. I'm not a survivor myself, so I'm not sure if this is the case with everyone, but I think most survivors would rather, like I said, either forget about the situation entirely, or move forward and take real action for fellow survivors, so that these things will never happen again in the NFB or any other setting for that matter. Furthermore, most people who have read books and/or listened to true crime documentaries and podcasts know exactly what sexual abuse looks like, so they should have a general idea when it's brought up, so no one needs to be bored with all the gory, graphic details. It's also something, like I said, most survivors would simply want to forget about that time in their lives, and therefore not want to recount a second time unless they were reporting incidents to police. > > To be clear, I'm not on anyone's side on this issue, and I'm not defending the lack of response from the Federation?after reading the entirety of this thread, I do believe the organization and NABS need to take steps to prevent these things from occurring in the future. I just want this to be a constructive thread with people sharing suggestions and ideas, and really don't want to see it turn heated by people simply making assumptions and generalizations. > > I hope you (and everyone) understands my point of view here. > > Thanks for reading, > > Sami > >> On Dec 15, 2020 8:47 AM, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Justen/NABS, what exactly is NABS doing/working on to address this problem? >> >> I also want you to give me examples of getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment. I semi believe you. You are the same person that gets your articles published in the Braille Monitor with ease and you also like to brag about your long streak of having an article published in I forgot which NFB related/affiliated publication. I think it might have been the Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness. >> >> So, can you give me examples of you getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment because I am not buying?????????????????????? it. >> >>>> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:03 AM, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org wrote: >>> >>> ?Send NABS-L mailing list submissions to >>> ??? nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> ??? http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> ??? nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> ??? nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of NABS-L digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> ?? 1. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Maura Loberg) >>> ?? 2. Dues (Amy Albin) >>> ?? 3. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Justin Salisbury) >>> ?? 4. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Roanna Bacchus) >>> ?? 5. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Caitlin Best) >>> ?? 6. MNABS Monday Madness (Alycia Howard) >>> ?? 7. MNABS Monday madness cont. (Alycia Howard) >>> ?? 8. Time Is Running Out - The NABS At Large Seminar Registration >>> ????? Deadline Is Tomorrow (Gene Kim) >>> ?? 9. CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site >>> ????? (Littlefield, Tyler) >>> ? 10. Re: Dues (Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 06:50:48 -0600 >>> From: Maura Loberg >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> ??? >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: <3B2E5F61-09D9-459E-A819-C06C1A6F0C09 at gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>> >>> Maura J. Loberg >>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 >>> President >>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> ???? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>>> ?? This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>>> >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>> >>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>>> >>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>>> >>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>> >>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>>> >>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out at this year?s >>>>> >>>>> national convention. >>>>> >>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors? of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>>> >>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue of >>>>>>> sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct and >>>>>>> insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1 >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:09:16 -0500 >>> From: Amy Albin >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> ??? >>> Subject: [NABS-L] Dues >>> Message-ID: >>> ??? >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Hi Trisha, >>> >>> May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me >>> the link? Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:18:40 +0000 >>> From: Justin Salisbury >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> ??? >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: >>> ??? >>> ??? >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>> >>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. >>> >>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >>> >>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>> >>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>> >>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. >>> >>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>> >>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. >>> >>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. >>> >>> Aloha, >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>> he/him/his >>> >>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>> (808) 797-8606 >>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>> >>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform ? >>> >>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> >>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>> >>> Maura J. Loberg >>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> ???? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>>> ?? This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>>> >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>> NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>> Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>> >>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>>> >>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>>> >>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>> >>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>>> >>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>> at this year?s >>>>> >>>>> national convention. >>>>> >>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors? of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>>> >>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>> l.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:46:01 +0000 >>> From: Roanna Bacchus >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> ??? >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: >>> ??? >>> ??? >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> What is going on? Did I miss something this weekend? >>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020 9:19 AM, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>> >>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm not afraid to join here. >>> >>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >>> >>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>> >>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>> >>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm hoping that we can as a team. >>> >>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>> >>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how to do the right thing. >>> >>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope we can heal together. >>> >>> Aloha, >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>> he/him/his >>> >>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>> (808) 797-8606 >>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>> >>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >>> >>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher education, please tell your story here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> >>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>> >>> Maura J. Loberg >>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> ???? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. Especially our national president! >>>> ?? This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need to go! >>>> >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken advantage of which is sick! >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>> NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>> Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>> >>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we are working on the issue. >>>>> >>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse continues for another generation. >>>>> >>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>> >>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>> >>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing members to the ACB. >>>>> >>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>> >>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>> at this year?s >>>>> >>>>> national convention. >>>>> >>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>> >>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as well. >>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the survivors? of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that values children, either. >>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that breaks today. >>>>>> >>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the nation?s blind. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>> l.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/r-bacchus%40outlook.com >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 07:00:31 -0800 >>> From: Caitlin Best >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> ??? >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>> Message-ID: >>> ??? >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Thank you for your words, Justin. I believe you when you say there >>> will be change, and I am hoping that is true. Reading so many accounts >>> of misconduct has brought up a lot of memories of my own, which I have >>> written about on my social media account. For those who are curious >>> and I don't know personally, just know I am a victim and a survivor. I >>> will not be accepting requests from people I do not already know or >>> don't feel comfortable with. >>> >>> With so many stories comes a lot of pain and reliving trauma, and for >>> those of us who have experienced sexual assault, harassment, physical >>> violence, emotional or verbal abuse know that I am with you. I am here >>> for you. I believe you. If at all you feel like you need to talk, >>> please consider seeking professional help to start the healing process >>> and mend those wounds. You may be surprised how just talking about it >>> helps along with learning coping skills to handle those unbearable >>> moments of discomfort, anxiety, and panic. We may not be able to >>> change our pasts, but we have the ability to change the future--not >>> just for us, but for future students and future generations of blind >>> people. #MarchingTogether >>> Sincerely, >>> Caitlin >>> >>>> On 12/14/20, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried about >>>> what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I >>>> think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help us >>>> feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>>> >>>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to say >>>> that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative reaction. >>>> I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why I'm >>>> not afraid to join here. >>>> >>>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've >>>> never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when we >>>> have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been >>>> treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to stop. >>>> >>>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, >>>> organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring >>>> conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal polished >>>> statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing >>>> that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational statement; >>>> I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>>> >>>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck >>>> country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could be >>>> the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a >>>> really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, >>>> agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm >>>> part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's >>>> because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>>> >>>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative >>>> suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy >>>> suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people >>>> where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm >>>> hoping that we can as a team. >>>> >>>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are >>>> genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what the >>>> best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long time, >>>> and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on impulse. >>>> I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and I'd >>>> like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has watched >>>> me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>>> >>>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell >>>> anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out how >>>> to do the right thing. >>>> >>>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have to >>>> get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I hope >>>> we can heal together. >>>> >>>> Aloha, >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> >>>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>>> he/him/his >>>> >>>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>>> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>>> (808) 797-8606 >>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>>> >>>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: >>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >>>> >>>> >>>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher >>>> education, please tell your story here: >>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> >>>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the >>>> scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much >>>> corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they >>>> really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of discussion >>>> in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and policy >>>> changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and >>>> marching together. Sending love! >>>> >>>> Maura J. Loberg >>>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ???? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP >>>>> program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears to >>>>> my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. >>>>> Especially our national president! >>>>> ?? This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be >>>>> taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that refuses >>>>> to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president to >>>>> do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to >>>>> this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come >>>>> forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should be >>>>> taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until >>>>> these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to >>>>> suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are >>>>> taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples need >>>>> to go! >>>>> >>>>> Warm Regards, >>>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the >>>>>> assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and >>>>>> religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my >>>>>> personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I >>>>>> have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken >>>>>> advantage of which is sick! >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>>> NABS-L >>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>>> Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>>> >>>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying we >>>>>> are working on the issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone to >>>>>> settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone >>>>>> will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for >>>>>> change, but nothing will happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they >>>>>> are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the abuse >>>>>> continues for another generation. >>>>>> >>>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam Allen >>>>>> is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard >>>>>> there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam >>>>>> knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still allowed >>>>>> to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>>> >>>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do not >>>>>> pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the >>>>>> youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>>> >>>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing >>>>>> members to the ACB. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened a >>>>>> BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was >>>>>> given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is confined >>>>>> to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind Inc >>>>>> until the NFB changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>>> at this year?s >>>>>> >>>>>> national convention. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization >>>>>>> happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as >>>>>>> well. >>>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children >>>>>>> when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. >>>>>>> Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all forms >>>>>>> of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the >>>>>>> survivors? of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a good >>>>>>> number of people would not be able to live near schools and playgrounds >>>>>>> right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization that >>>>>>> values children, either. >>>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that >>>>>>> breaks today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to >>>>>>>> do about it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the >>>>>>>> nation?s blind. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>>> il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>>> l.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:28:46 -0600 >>> From: Alycia Howard >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday Madness >>> Message-ID: <825ADF92-1F1A-4CD2-9984-016D322D884A at icloud.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Hello everyone, happy Monday! To celebrate the end of the semester, come hang out with friends at MNABS Monday madness tonight, starting at 7 PM central. We look forward to seeing you all there! >>> >>> https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 >>> >>> Alycia Howard, Secretary of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students, a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:43:13 -0600 >>> From: Alycia Howard >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday madness cont. >>> Message-ID: <438B9513-2240-4CA8-AF8A-E77FC23E40C1 at icloud.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=us-ascii >>> >>> I realized I forgot to put the rest of the meeting details into my last email. Hope to see you all at Monday madness tonight at 7 PM Central. >>> >>> Topic: MNABS Monday Madness >>> >>> Time: This is a recurring meeting Meet anytime >>> >>> >>> >>> Join Zoom Meeting >>> >>> https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 >>> >>> >>> >>> Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 >>> >>> Passcode: 7ZiFp! >>> >>> One tap mobile >>> >>> +16513728299,,92700794823#,,,,,,0#,,729734# US (Minnesota) >>> >>> +13017158592,,92700794823#,,,,,,0#,,729734# US (Washington D.C) >>> >>> >>> >>> Dial by your location >>> >>> ??????? +1 651 372 8299 US (Minnesota) >>> >>> ??????? +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington D.C) >>> >>> ??????? +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) >>> >>> ??????? +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) >>> >>> ??????? +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) >>> >>> ??????? +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) >>> >>> ??????? +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) >>> >>> Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 >>> >>> Passcode: 729734 >>> >>> Find your local number: https://umn.zoom.us/u/axyPdL6DK >>> >>> >>> >>> Join by SIP >>> >>> 92700794823 at zoomcrc.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Join by H.323 >>> >>> 162.255.37.11 (US West) >>> >>> 162.255.36.11 (US East) >>> >>> 221.122.88.195 (China) >>> >>> 115.114.131.7 (India Mumbai) >>> >>> 115.114.115.7 (India Hyderabad) >>> >>> 213.19.144.110 (Amsterdam Netherlands) >>> >>> 213.244.140.110 (Germany) >>> >>> 103.122.166.55 (Australia) >>> >>> 209.9.211.110 (Hong Kong SAR) >>> >>> 149.137.40.110 (Singapore) >>> >>> 64.211.144.160 (Brazil) >>> >>> 69.174.57.160 (Canada) >>> >>> 207.226.132.110 (Japan) >>> >>> Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 >>> >>> Passcode: 729734 >>> >>> Alycia Howard, Secretary of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 12:34:56 -0800 >>> From: Gene Kim >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> ??? >>> Subject: [NABS-L] Time Is Running Out - The NABS At Large Seminar >>> ??? Registration Deadline Is Tomorrow >>> Message-ID: >>> ??? >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Hello NABS! >>> >>> I hope this finds you on a good start to the week. Coming at you with >>> another reminder that that registration for the virtual NABS At Large >>> Seminar, themed ?Speaking Up and Branching Out? (January 9 ? 10, 2021) is >>> closing tomorrow evening! You absolutely don?t want to miss this awesome >>> opportunity to level up your public speaking skills and confidence. Whether >>> you?ve been delivering polished speeches for years or just starting to >>> develop interest in becoming a more effective communicator, this seminar?s >>> got you covered with interactive activities, guest speakers, philosophical >>> discussions, and so much more. Don?t push this until later?register here >>> or using the link below! >>> >>>> https://forms.gle/pGrq8jg2TTa2opETA >>>> >>>> If you are in need of financial assistance to pay the $25 registration >>>> fee, please contact Trisha Kulkarni at nabs.president at gmail.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Warmly, >>>> >>> Gene >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Gene Sung-Ho Kim | B.S. Candidate, Symbolic Systems | Stanford University >>>> >>>> Social Media Coordinator | National Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> Secretary | California Association of Blind Students >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:45:07 -0600 >>> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" (by way of David >>> ??? Andrews ) >>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [NABS-L] CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>> >>> >>> CVStats is an accessible website for displaying Covid19 data for >>> those who are blind or visually impaired. When the pandemic began and >>> still to this day, >>> most news sources and articles display data in graphs, or as a type >>> of visual representation that is hard, if not impossible for those >>> using screen readers >>> or who are low vision to understand. My goal in creating this site >>> was to find a way to gather data that people might find useful and >>> present it in a form >>> that is easy to read, understand and navigate. >>> >>> To date, the site currently enables viewing data as a global set of >>> statistics, by state in the United States, and by county in the >>> United states, with >>> more to come. I accept feature requests (although I may not be able >>> to complete them given that I also work a full job), but I will do my >>> best, as well >>> as comments and issues. >>> >>> Please visit >>> https://cvstats.net >>> >>> I hope this resource is useful to you, and please feel free to share >>> this with anyone you feel might be able to make use of it. >>> >>> Stay Safe, >>> >>> Ty >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Take Care, >>> Tyler Littlefield (he/him/his) >>> tyler at tysdomain.com >>> https://cvstats.net >>> >>> >>> Tyler has asked me to circulate the below message. This is a very >>> useful sight, and he has done a good job of making a difficult >>> presentation completely accessible to screen reader users. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 10 >>> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 00:10:17 -0500 >>> From: "Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President" >>> ??? >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> ??? >>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dues >>> Message-ID: <06ab01d6d2a0$94692f50$bd3b8df0$@gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> Sent it your way ? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Amy Albin via NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:09 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Amy Albin >>> Subject: [NABS-L] Dues >>> >>> Hi Trisha, >>> >>> May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me the link? Thanks. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of NABS-L Digest, Vol 170, Issue 13 >>> *************************************** >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sami.j.osborne97%40gmail.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:31:06 -0700 > From: "Cricket X. Bidleman" > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Dear all, > > First, I am only speaking on behalf of myself. There have been > comments on this thread that working with the NFB, or applying for > scholarships with the NFB, are synonymous with condoning sexual > misconduct and the practices (or lack thereof) surrounding it. I would > like to say that supporting and belonging to a group, while > disagreeing with some of that group's practices or beliefs, is totally > fine. Support does not mean complete allegiance. I firmly stand with > the goals and missions of the NFB, but I do not endorse some > practices. When it comes to scholarships, there is no doubt that the > NFB has one of the most prestigious scholarship programs out there for > blind students attending American institutions. There is no way around > the fact that higher education is very expensive, and some people need > money to help get through it. As a low-income student, I know what > this feels like. As blind students who have some expenses that sighted > peers do not incur, a lot of us should know what this feels like. If > you still really feel that applying for a scholarship through NFB > means supporting an organization that you feel is unethical, then > think of it this way: you have the opportunity to take this money, and > to do some of the good that you feel the NFB is not doing. > > Additionally, I have been feeling an overall lack of compassion. I am > a leader of part of this organization, and I am also a sexual > misconduct survivor several times over. As a leader, I am sometimes > expected to provide guidance for complicated issues, which I am > sometimes sorting through simultaneously. Reading these testimonials > has been re-traumatizing, so I'm trying to stay healthy. But there is > antagonism from some, both in thread and in other places. I urge > people to have patience as we walk through this together. I hope > everyone understands the mass hurt and frustration that are going > around. If people are feeling a lack of compassion from leaders, then > exhibiting a lack of the same compassion is not demonstrating what you > want to see. At the same time, being accusational, not believing > survivors, being quick to name-calling, is counterproductive. This > kind of behavior promotes suppression-culture, and if people are > working toward ensuring that survivors feel comfortable expressing > themselves and telling their stories, this is not the way to do it. > > Now that these testimonials have been made, the important thing is > moving forward. The dialogue has been opened, and while progress may > be slow, it should happen. Understand that no one knows what the > perfect thing to do is; if we did, there would be very little need for > dialogue. Leaders are trying to figure out what would be best in this > moment but given the prevalence of sexual misconduct, many of them are > likely survivors. Many of them are being re-traumatized too, and the > frustration is felt by everyone. What benefit does your commentary > have? Whether intended or not, will your comments promote > suppression-culture? Whether intended or not, will your comments > encourage income disparity? Could your comments alienate yourself from > a whole lot of people? Or, perhaps given some reframing, could your > comments promote positive changing while still expressing your > frustration? > > Please remember that we are all imperfect, all frustrated, and all > human. Again, I speak only on behalf of myself and my feelings. Thank > you. > > Best, > Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers) > >> On 12/15/20, Trisha Kulkarni via NABS-L wrote: >> Juan and All, >> >> I speak on behalf of NABS leadership when I say that the past two weeks have >> been heartbreaking but also extremely motivating to make our organization a >> safe and inclusive place for all. We have already invited members to reach >> out with ideas for how our student division can improve, and we have been in >> constant communication about action that needs to be taken. >> >> However, in working toward a safer community, this mailing list will not be >> used to accuse members of lying about their experiences. Not only is it >> hurtful and counterproductive, it will not be tolerated. No surviver >> deserves to be unheard or unwelcome, and making demands will not be how we >> move forward together. >> >> Trisha Kulkarni >> President | National Association of Blind Students >> A Proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind >> www.nabslink.org >> >>> On Dec 15, 2020, at 8:50 AM, Juan Parra via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> ?Justen/NABS, what exactly is NABS doing/working on to address this >>> problem? >>> >>> I also want you to give me examples of getting the Colin Kaepernick >>> treatment. I semi believe you. You are the same person that gets your >>> articles published in the Braille Monitor with ease and you also like to >>> brag about your long streak of having an article published in I forgot >>> which NFB related/affiliated publication. I think it might have been the >>> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness. >>> >>> So, can you give me examples of you getting the Colin Kaepernick treatment >>> because I am not buying it. >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 15, 2020, at 4:03 AM, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Send NABS-L mailing list submissions to >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of NABS-L digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Maura Loberg) >>>> 2. Dues (Amy Albin) >>>> 3. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Justin Salisbury) >>>> 4. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Roanna Bacchus) >>>> 5. Re: NABS Officers Standpoint (Caitlin Best) >>>> 6. MNABS Monday Madness (Alycia Howard) >>>> 7. MNABS Monday madness cont. (Alycia Howard) >>>> 8. Time Is Running Out - The NABS At Large Seminar Registration >>>> Deadline Is Tomorrow (Gene Kim) >>>> 9. CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site >>>> (Littlefield, Tyler) >>>> 10. Re: Dues (Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 06:50:48 -0600 >>>> From: Maura Loberg >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> Message-ID: <3B2E5F61-09D9-459E-A819-C06C1A6F0C09 at gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>> >>>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the >>>> scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much >>>> corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they >>>> really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of >>>> discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme >>>> leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting >>>> the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>>> >>>> Maura J. Loberg >>>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 >>>> President >>>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP >>>>> program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears >>>>> to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. >>>>> Especially our national president! >>>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be >>>>> taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that >>>>> refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national >>>>> president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with >>>>> solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they >>>>> can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper >>>>> action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under >>>>> the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is >>>>> done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the >>>>> skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and >>>>> the bad apples need to go! >>>>> >>>>> Warm Regards, >>>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the >>>>>> assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and >>>>>> religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my >>>>>> personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I >>>>>> have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken >>>>>> advantage of which is sick! >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>>> NABS-L >>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>>> Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>>> >>>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying >>>>>> we are working on the issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone >>>>>> to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting >>>>>> everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will >>>>>> fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they >>>>>> are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the >>>>>> abuse continues for another generation. >>>>>> >>>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam >>>>>> Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I >>>>>> heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop >>>>>> class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is >>>>>> still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>>> >>>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do >>>>>> not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s >>>>>> the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he does >>>>>> talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does not >>>>>> know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB nothing >>>>>> happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>>> >>>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing >>>>>> members to the ACB. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened >>>>>> a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was >>>>>> given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is >>>>>> confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind >>>>>> Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out at >>>>>> this year?s >>>>>> >>>>>> national convention. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the >>>>>> NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization >>>>>>> happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as >>>>>>> well. >>>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children >>>>>>> when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. >>>>>>> Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all >>>>>>> forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If >>>>>>> the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a >>>>>>> good number of people would not be able to live near schools and >>>>>>> playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an >>>>>>> organization that values children, either. >>>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that >>>>>>> breaks today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue of >>>>>>>> sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to do >>>>>>>> about it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the >>>>>>>> nation?s blind. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montour1 >>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:09:16 -0500 >>>> From: Amy Albin >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Subject: [NABS-L] Dues >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>> >>>> Hi Trisha, >>>> >>>> May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me >>>> the link? Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:18:40 +0000 >>>> From: Justin Salisbury >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried >>>> about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, >>>> and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to >>>> help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>>> >>>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to >>>> say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative >>>> reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe >>>> that's why I'm not afraid to join here. >>>> >>>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've >>>> never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when >>>> we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have >>>> been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to >>>> stop. >>>> >>>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, >>>> organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring >>>> conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal >>>> polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha >>>> was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other >>>> organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>>> >>>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck >>>> country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could >>>> be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a >>>> really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, >>>> agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm >>>> part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's >>>> because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>>> >>>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative >>>> suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy >>>> suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people >>>> where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm >>>> hoping that we can as a team. >>>> >>>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are >>>> genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what >>>> the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long >>>> time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on >>>> impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react >>>> impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the >>>> Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>>> >>>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell >>>> anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out >>>> how to do the right thing. >>>> >>>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have >>>> to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and >>>> I hope we can heal together. >>>> >>>> Aloha, >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> >>>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>>> he/him/his >>>> >>>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>>> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>>> (808) 797-8606 >>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>>> >>>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: >>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >>>> ? >>>> >>>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher >>>> education, please tell your story here: >>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> >>>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the >>>> scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much >>>> corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they >>>> really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of >>>> discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme >>>> leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting >>>> the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>>> >>>> Maura J. Loberg >>>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP >>>>> program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears >>>>> to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. >>>>> Especially our national president! >>>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be >>>>> taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that >>>>> refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national >>>>> president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with >>>>> solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they >>>>> can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper >>>>> action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under >>>>> the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is >>>>> done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the >>>>> skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and >>>>> the bad apples need to go! >>>>> >>>>> Warm Regards, >>>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the >>>>>> assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and >>>>>> religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my >>>>>> personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I >>>>>> have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken >>>>>> advantage of which is sick! >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>>> NABS-L >>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>>> Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>>> >>>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying >>>>>> we are working on the issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone >>>>>> to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting >>>>>> everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will >>>>>> fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they >>>>>> are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the >>>>>> abuse continues for another generation. >>>>>> >>>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam >>>>>> Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I >>>>>> heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop >>>>>> class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is >>>>>> still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>>> >>>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do >>>>>> not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s >>>>>> the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>>> >>>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing >>>>>> members to the ACB. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened >>>>>> a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was >>>>>> given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is >>>>>> confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind >>>>>> Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>>> at this year?s >>>>>> >>>>>> national convention. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the >>>>>> NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization >>>>>>> happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as >>>>>>> well. >>>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children >>>>>>> when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. >>>>>>> Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all >>>>>>> forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If >>>>>>> the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a >>>>>>> good number of people would not be able to live near schools and >>>>>>> playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an >>>>>>> organization that values children, either. >>>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that >>>>>>> breaks today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to >>>>>>>> do about it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the >>>>>>>> nation?s blind. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>>> il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>>> l.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 4 >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:46:01 +0000 >>>> From: Roanna Bacchus >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> What is going on? Did I miss something this weekend? >>>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2020 9:19 AM, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried >>>> about what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, >>>> and I think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to >>>> help us feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>>> >>>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to >>>> say that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative >>>> reaction. I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe >>>> that's why I'm not afraid to join here. >>>> >>>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've >>>> never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when >>>> we have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have >>>> been treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to >>>> stop. >>>> >>>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, >>>> organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring >>>> conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal >>>> polished statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha >>>> was doing that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other >>>> organizational statement; I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>>> >>>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck >>>> country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could >>>> be the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a >>>> really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, >>>> agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because I'm >>>> part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's >>>> because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>>> >>>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially conservative >>>> suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy >>>> suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people >>>> where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but I'm >>>> hoping that we can as a team. >>>> >>>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are >>>> genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what >>>> the best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long >>>> time, and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on >>>> impulse. I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react >>>> impulsively, and I'd like to believe I've been growing out of that as the >>>> Federation has watched me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>>> >>>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell >>>> anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out >>>> how to do the right thing. >>>> >>>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now have >>>> to get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and >>>> I hope we can heal together. >>>> >>>> Aloha, >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> >>>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>>> he/him/his >>>> >>>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>>> A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>>> (808) 797-8606 >>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>>> >>>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: >>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >>>> >>>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher >>>> education, please tell your story here: >>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> >>>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the >>>> scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so much >>>> corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they >>>> really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of >>>> discussion in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme >>>> leadership and policy changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting >>>> the good fight and marching together. Sending love! >>>> >>>> Maura J. Loberg >>>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP >>>>> program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears >>>>> to my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. >>>>> Especially our national president! >>>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be >>>>> taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that >>>>> refuses to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national >>>>> president to do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with >>>>> solutions to this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they >>>>> can?t come forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper >>>>> action should be taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under >>>>> the rug!!! Until these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is >>>>> done i refuse to suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the >>>>> skills that are taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and >>>>> the bad apples need to go! >>>>> >>>>> Warm Regards, >>>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the >>>>>> assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and >>>>>> religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my >>>>>> personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I >>>>>> have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken >>>>>> advantage of which is sick! >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>>> NABS-L >>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>>> Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>>> >>>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying >>>>>> we are working on the issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone >>>>>> to settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting >>>>>> everyone will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will >>>>>> fight for change, but nothing will happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they >>>>>> are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the >>>>>> abuse continues for another generation. >>>>>> >>>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam >>>>>> Allen is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I >>>>>> heard there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop >>>>>> class. Pam knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is >>>>>> still allowed to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>>> >>>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do >>>>>> not pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s >>>>>> the youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>>> >>>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing >>>>>> members to the ACB. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing happened >>>>>> a BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was >>>>>> given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is >>>>>> confined to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind >>>>>> Inc until the NFB changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>>> at this year?s >>>>>> >>>>>> national convention. >>>>>> >>>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the >>>>>> NFB. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this organization >>>>>>> happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as >>>>>>> well. >>>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children >>>>>>> when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young adults. >>>>>>> Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all >>>>>>> forms of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If >>>>>>> the survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a >>>>>>> good number of people would not be able to live near schools and >>>>>>> playgrounds right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an >>>>>>> organization that values children, either. >>>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that >>>>>>> breaks today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning to >>>>>>>> do about it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of the >>>>>>>> nation?s blind. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>>> il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>>> l.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/r-bacchus%40outlook.com >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 5 >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 07:00:31 -0800 >>>> From: Caitlin Best >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>> >>>> Thank you for your words, Justin. I believe you when you say there >>>> will be change, and I am hoping that is true. Reading so many accounts >>>> of misconduct has brought up a lot of memories of my own, which I have >>>> written about on my social media account. For those who are curious >>>> and I don't know personally, just know I am a victim and a survivor. I >>>> will not be accepting requests from people I do not already know or >>>> don't feel comfortable with. >>>> >>>> With so many stories comes a lot of pain and reliving trauma, and for >>>> those of us who have experienced sexual assault, harassment, physical >>>> violence, emotional or verbal abuse know that I am with you. I am here >>>> for you. I believe you. If at all you feel like you need to talk, >>>> please consider seeking professional help to start the healing process >>>> and mend those wounds. You may be surprised how just talking about it >>>> helps along with learning coping skills to handle those unbearable >>>> moments of discomfort, anxiety, and panic. We may not be able to >>>> change our pasts, but we have the ability to change the future--not >>>> just for us, but for future students and future generations of blind >>>> people. #MarchingTogether >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Caitlin >>>> >>>>>> On 12/14/20, Justin Salisbury via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> We all heard from Trisha. It sounds like some of you might be worried >>>>> about >>>>> what she said. I think we all have different communication styles, and I >>>>> think sometimes it takes people with styles similar to our own to help >>>>> us >>>>> feel the way we want to feel. I promise you, we're not done yet. >>>>> >>>>> Since we're talking about such a sensitive topic, I think it's safe to >>>>> say >>>>> that anyone who writes anything is at risk of receiving a negative >>>>> reaction. >>>>> I've had people try to kill me before, literally, so maybe that's why >>>>> I'm >>>>> not afraid to join here. >>>>> >>>>> From what I'm seeing, we have a lot of people speaking up in ways we've >>>>> never seen before. For so many years, many of us have been silenced when >>>>> we >>>>> have tried to speak up, and we have felt betrayed. Many of us have been >>>>> treated like Colin Kaepernick when we have spoken up. That needs to >>>>> stop. >>>>> >>>>> Realistically, many of us have come to feel like formal, polished, >>>>> organizational statements are efforts to silence conversations and bring >>>>> conversations under the control of the body that issued the formal >>>>> polished >>>>> statement. I know that feeling very well. I don't think Trisha was doing >>>>> that. And no, that's not a side pass at any other organizational >>>>> statement; >>>>> I don't speak passive aggressive that well. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe I'm a little more raw with what I say because I grew up in redneck >>>>> country. I'm at my dad's house right now, and I very realistically could >>>>> be >>>>> the only person with a college degree on the entire street, which is a >>>>> really long street. Everyone here is either a factory worker, retired, >>>>> agricultural, or one guy who works at a tire barn. Maybe it's because >>>>> I'm >>>>> part Puerto Rican, and we don't might being really direct. Maybe it's >>>>> because I'm from New England. I don't know. >>>>> >>>>> Sometimes, when I communicate that way, people from socially >>>>> conservative >>>>> suburban places don't like it. On the other hand, people from wealthy >>>>> suburban places would struggle very much to gain the trust of the people >>>>> where I am right now. No single person can connect with everyone, but >>>>> I'm >>>>> hoping that we can as a team. >>>>> >>>>> My understanding, when NABS says we're working on it, is that we are >>>>> genuinely talking about what we can do, but we don't exactly know what >>>>> the >>>>> best solution is yet. Some of us knew this was a problem for a long >>>>> time, >>>>> and some of us are in shock. We don't necessarily want to react on >>>>> impulse. >>>>> I know I've done a lot of stupid things when I react impulsively, and >>>>> I'd >>>>> like to believe I've been growing out of that as the Federation has >>>>> watched >>>>> me grow up from 19 to now 31 years old. >>>>> >>>>> Many of us are angry, and as a survivor myself, I am not going to tell >>>>> anyone that they shouldn't be. I think we're just trying to figure out >>>>> how >>>>> to do the right thing. >>>>> >>>>> You all have now seen what I could type during a coffee break. I now >>>>> have to >>>>> get back to work. I love you all, even those of you I don't know, and I >>>>> hope >>>>> we can heal together. >>>>> >>>>> Aloha, >>>>> >>>>> Justin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury >>>>> he/him/his >>>>> >>>>> Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students >>>>> ?? A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind >>>>> (808) 797-8606 >>>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org >>>>> >>>>> If you need help with a current accessibility barrier in school, visit: >>>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeXoK5sWCpBjvAu4EMOANUufEoJPyUlu4QeJnMB6pIdeohmsg/viewform >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you have a story about an accessibility barrier you faced in higher >>>>> education, please tell your story here: >>>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf68TacBetKMAHZcMhGJLmYgeWDIjjpSm9Sz1OUwYKxzsIEAg/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Maura Loberg via >>>>> NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 7:51 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>>> Cc: Maura Loberg >>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>> >>>>> If I was a self-respecting student, I wouldn't be applying for the >>>>> scholarship program. I don't want money from an organization with so >>>>> much >>>>> corruption. I plan to stick it out and help them change, because they >>>>> really, really need change. This will no doubt be a big topic of >>>>> discussion >>>>> in the coming months, and I hope that leads to extreme leadership and >>>>> policy >>>>> changes. Until those changes occur, keep fighting the good fight and >>>>> marching together. Sending love! >>>>> >>>>> Maura J. Loberg >>>>> Nebraska Wesleyan University, class of 2024 President >>>>> | Nebraska Association of Blind Students >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Dimitrios Kouniaris via NABS-L >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ? As a former graduate from both the LCB adult program, and STEP >>>>>> program reading all of these stories over the weekend has brought tears >>>>>> to >>>>>> my eyes! I am disgusted by the lack of response from our leaders. >>>>>> Especially our national president! >>>>>> This is a cancer that has spread, and corrective action needs to be >>>>>> taken! What is the point of being a member of a organization that >>>>>> refuses >>>>>> to deal with these on going issues? I challenge our national president >>>>>> to >>>>>> do some restructuring now! I challenge him to come up with solutions to >>>>>> this cancer that has spread! No one should feel like they can?t come >>>>>> forward. All complaints should be investigated and proper action should >>>>>> be >>>>>> taken! We don?t get anywhere if we sweep things under the rug!!! Until >>>>>> these issues are delt with, and some restructureing is done i refuse to >>>>>> suggest anyone to go to training! I believe that the skills that are >>>>>> taught are good, but policy?s need to be changed, and the bad apples >>>>>> need >>>>>> to go! >>>>>> >>>>>> Warm Regards, >>>>>> Mr. Dimitrios Kouniaris >>>>>> Direct Phone: 504-607-2776 >>>>>> Email: dkouniaris at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 12:39 AM, Leena Bandy via NABS-L >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?I am concerned about this too. I can verify the claim about the >>>>>>> assistant shop instructor at LCB who is also bigoted toward races and >>>>>>> religions different from his own. I cannot say much more here about my >>>>>>> personal story, but I hope action is taken because this has to stop. I >>>>>>> have seen far too many posts by young people who have been taken >>>>>>> advantage of which is sick! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Juan Parra via >>>>>>> NABS-L >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:30 AM >>>>>>> To: Danielle Montour >>>>>>> Cc: Juan Parra ; National Association of Blind >>>>>>> Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] NABS Officers Standpoint >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As I suspected NABS was going to come out with a BS statement. Saying >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> are working on the issue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is code for we will talk about it for a bit and wait for everyone >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> settle down and continue as usual. It is like a mass shooting everyone >>>>>>> will say sending our prayers and thoughts. The victims will fight for >>>>>>> change, but nothing will happen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The NFB will continue as usual because NABS is scared even though they >>>>>>> are the future of the so-called voice of the nation?s blind and the >>>>>>> abuse >>>>>>> continues for another generation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All NABS members should step down until the NFB really changes. Pam >>>>>>> Allen >>>>>>> is the chair of the code of conduct committee which is a joke. I heard >>>>>>> there is a sexist assistant instructor at the LCB Wood Shop class. Pam >>>>>>> knows about him and his attitude against women, but he is still >>>>>>> allowed >>>>>>> to work their even after so many complaints. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How about we all continue to support NABS and participate but just do >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> pay dues because the NFB love?s money. We must do something guy?s the >>>>>>> youth are the future of the NFB. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If Mark Ricco Bono does not talk about what is currently happening in >>>>>>> the NFB during the entire live presidential release in January or I >>>>>>> think it might be in February, he must go as president even if he >>>>>>> does talk about it, he must go you have to be naive. To think he does >>>>>>> not know about what is going on he has complete control of the NFB >>>>>>> nothing happens in the NFB without his permisssion >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Honestly, the thing the NFB hate?s more than losing money is losing >>>>>>> members to the ACB. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ask yourself this when the #MeTo movement was going on nothing >>>>>>> happened a >>>>>>> BS Code of Conduct was created and a year later a known violator was >>>>>>> given mic time at the 2019 national convention. This time it is >>>>>>> confined >>>>>>> to the NFB nothing is going to happen guys. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We could try to convince people to not go to the CCB, LCB, and Blind >>>>>>> Inc >>>>>>> until the NFB changes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We could try to vote all the current board members and officers out >>>>>>> at this year?s >>>>>>> >>>>>>> national convention. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We could refuse to participate in Washington Seminar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The NFB needs the blind youth more than we need the NFB. We are the >>>>>>> NFB. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Danielle Montour >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?good morning, >>>>>>>> As someone whose first run in with sexual assault in this >>>>>>>> organization >>>>>>>> happened at a Blind students seminar, I?d like the answer to this, as >>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>> before it happens to us as adults, it often happens to us as children >>>>>>>> when we are at specific programs to benefit students and young >>>>>>>> adults. >>>>>>>> Quite a few young people have come forward, sharing stories of all >>>>>>>> forms >>>>>>>> of misconduct that happened to them when they were children. If the >>>>>>>> survivors of these stories have actually been taken seriously, a >>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>> number of people would not be able to live near schools and >>>>>>>> playgrounds >>>>>>>> right now, and they wouldn?t be able to be part of an organization >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> values children, either. >>>>>>>> There has been a pretty resounding silence on this, and I hope that >>>>>>>> breaks today. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With careful optimism, >>>>>>>> Danielle (she/her/hers) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2020, at 07:10, Juan Parra via NABS-L >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ?Where do the elected officers of NABS stand on the current issue >>>>>>>>> of sexual harassment inside the NFB and what are you guys planning >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> do about it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As the largest division of the NFB and the future of the NFB NABS >>>>>>>>> should boycott the NFB until they put their money where their mouth >>>>>>>>> is when it comes to policy and enforcement of the code of conduct >>>>>>>>> and insuring predators are not allowed to be part of the voice of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> nation?s blind. >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/danielle.montou >>>>>>>>> r1 >>>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leena.salim%40gma >>>>>>> il.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dkouniaris%40gmai >>>>>>> l.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauraloberg%40gmai >>>>>> l.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/president%40alumni.ecu.edu >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 6 >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:28:46 -0600 >>>> From: Alycia Howard >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday Madness >>>> Message-ID: <825ADF92-1F1A-4CD2-9984-016D322D884A at icloud.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> >>>> Hello everyone, happy Monday! To celebrate the end of the semester, come >>>> hang out with friends at MNABS Monday madness tonight, starting at 7 PM >>>> central. We look forward to seeing you all there! >>>> >>>> https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 >>>> >>>> Alycia Howard, Secretary of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students, >>>> a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 7 >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:43:13 -0600 >>>> From: Alycia Howard >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday madness cont. >>>> Message-ID: <438B9513-2240-4CA8-AF8A-E77FC23E40C1 at icloud.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> >>>> I realized I forgot to put the rest of the meeting details into my last >>>> email. Hope to see you all at Monday madness tonight at 7 PM Central. >>>> >>>> Topic: MNABS Monday Madness >>>> >>>> Time: This is a recurring meeting Meet anytime >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Join Zoom Meeting >>>> >>>> https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 >>>> >>>> Passcode: 7ZiFp! >>>> >>>> One tap mobile >>>> >>>> +16513728299,,92700794823#,,,,,,0#,,729734# US (Minnesota) >>>> >>>> +13017158592,,92700794823#,,,,,,0#,,729734# US (Washington D.C) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dial by your location >>>> >>>> +1 651 372 8299 US (Minnesota) >>>> >>>> +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington D.C) >>>> >>>> +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) >>>> >>>> +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) >>>> >>>> +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) >>>> >>>> +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) >>>> >>>> +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) >>>> >>>> Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 >>>> >>>> Passcode: 729734 >>>> >>>> Find your local number: https://umn.zoom.us/u/axyPdL6DK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Join by SIP >>>> >>>> 92700794823 at zoomcrc.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Join by H.323 >>>> >>>> 162.255.37.11 (US West) >>>> >>>> 162.255.36.11 (US East) >>>> >>>> 221.122.88.195 (China) >>>> >>>> 115.114.131.7 (India Mumbai) >>>> >>>> 115.114.115.7 (India Hyderabad) >>>> >>>> 213.19.144.110 (Amsterdam Netherlands) >>>> >>>> 213.244.140.110 (Germany) >>>> >>>> 103.122.166.55 (Australia) >>>> >>>> 209.9.211.110 (Hong Kong SAR) >>>> >>>> 149.137.40.110 (Singapore) >>>> >>>> 64.211.144.160 (Brazil) >>>> >>>> 69.174.57.160 (Canada) >>>> >>>> 207.226.132.110 (Japan) >>>> >>>> Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 >>>> >>>> Passcode: 729734 >>>> >>>> Alycia Howard, Secretary of the Minnesota Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 8 >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 12:34:56 -0800 >>>> From: Gene Kim >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Subject: [NABS-L] Time Is Running Out - The NABS At Large Seminar >>>> Registration Deadline Is Tomorrow >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>> >>>> Hello NABS! >>>> >>>> I hope this finds you on a good start to the week. Coming at you with >>>> another reminder that that registration for the virtual NABS At Large >>>> Seminar, themed ?Speaking Up and Branching Out? (January 9 ? 10, 2021) is >>>> closing tomorrow evening! You absolutely don?t want to miss this awesome >>>> opportunity to level up your public speaking skills and confidence. >>>> Whether >>>> you?ve been delivering polished speeches for years or just starting to >>>> develop interest in becoming a more effective communicator, this >>>> seminar?s >>>> got you covered with interactive activities, guest speakers, >>>> philosophical >>>> discussions, and so much more. Don?t push this until later?register here >>>> or using the link below! >>>> >>>>> https://forms.gle/pGrq8jg2TTa2opETA >>>>> >>>>> If you are in need of financial assistance to pay the $25 registration >>>>> fee, please contact Trisha Kulkarni at nabs.president at gmail.com. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Warmly, >>>>> >>>> Gene >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Gene Sung-Ho Kim | B.S. Candidate, Symbolic Systems | Stanford >>>>> University >>>>> >>>>> Social Media Coordinator | National Association of Blind Students >>>>> >>>>> Secretary | California Association of Blind Students >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 9 >>>> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:45:07 -0600 >>>> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" (by way of David >>>> Andrews ) >>>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [NABS-L] CVStats: an accessible Covid19 statistics site >>>> Message-ID: >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>>> >>>> >>>> CVStats is an accessible website for displaying Covid19 data for >>>> those who are blind or visually impaired. When the pandemic began and >>>> still to this day, >>>> most news sources and articles display data in graphs, or as a type >>>> of visual representation that is hard, if not impossible for those >>>> using screen readers >>>> or who are low vision to understand. My goal in creating this site >>>> was to find a way to gather data that people might find useful and >>>> present it in a form >>>> that is easy to read, understand and navigate. >>>> >>>> To date, the site currently enables viewing data as a global set of >>>> statistics, by state in the United States, and by county in the >>>> United states, with >>>> more to come. I accept feature requests (although I may not be able >>>> to complete them given that I also work a full job), but I will do my >>>> best, as well >>>> as comments and issues. >>>> >>>> Please visit >>>> https://cvstats.net >>>> >>>> I hope this resource is useful to you, and please feel free to share >>>> this with anyone you feel might be able to make use of it. >>>> >>>> Stay Safe, >>>> >>>> Ty >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Take Care, >>>> Tyler Littlefield (he/him/his) >>>> tyler at tysdomain.com >>>> https://cvstats.net >>>> >>>> >>>> Tyler has asked me to circulate the below message. This is a very >>>> useful sight, and he has done a good job of making a difficult >>>> presentation completely accessible to screen reader users. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 10 >>>> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 00:10:17 -0500 >>>> From: "Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President" >>>> >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Dues >>>> Message-ID: <06ab01d6d2a0$94692f50$bd3b8df0$@gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>> >>>> Sent it your way ? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Amy Albin via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:09 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Cc: Amy Albin >>>> Subject: [NABS-L] Dues >>>> >>>> Hi Trisha, >>>> >>>> May I please pay dues so I can rejoin NABS? Will you please send me the >>>> link? Thanks. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Subject: Digest Footer >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> End of NABS-L Digest, Vol 170, Issue 13 >>>> *************************************** >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kulkarnitrisha909%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of NABS-L Digest, Vol 170, Issue 14 > *************************************** From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 13:23:47 2020 From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (Robert Parsons) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 08:23:47 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Announcing 2021 NABS Superbowl Roulette!! References: Message-ID: <190700E6-9F49-4C8E-8A4A-BA3E260CC33A@gmail.com> Calling all football fanatics and frenemies! > As Super Bowl LV approaches, we’re happy to revive a fan favorite with the launch of 2021 Super Bowl Roulette! This fundraiser, which consists of nothing more than a well formatted spreadsheet, is open to all. Whether you’re slaying the game and holding the number one seed in your Fantasy Football league or you can’t tell the difference between offense and defense, you could win big alongside the Super Bowl champions on February 7, 2021. > > How does it all work, you ask? > > Let’s start with the spreadsheet itself. > > Horizontally across the top of the sheet, the numbers 1-9, followed by a 0 are displayed. The same numbers are also listed vertically down the far left column. The horizontal and vertical numbers intersect in 100 numbered squares on the sheet. For example, number 3 on the horizontal line meets number 1 on the vertical line in intersecting square 3. > > The horizontal line represents the team score from the National Football Conference (NFC), and the vertical line represents the team score from the American Football Conference (AFC). > > Now, how do you play? > > Each numbered box can be purchased for only $5, and you can buy as many boxes as you want. Because we want anyone and everyone to have a chance at winning big, boxes are assigned upon purchase using a random number generator. No knowledge of the sport is required to win. > > But how do I win? > > After purchasing your squares, you have four chances to win during the game—at the end of each quarter. The secret to winning lies in the scores of the teams. The final digit in each team’s score, or, if the score is a single digit, the only number, decides the winner. If you own the square where the two ending scores intersect, you win! For example, if you own box 3 from our example above, your horizontal or NFC score has to end in 3 (this number could be 3, 43, 13, etc.) and your vertical or AFC score has to end in 1 (this number could be 1, 61, 11, etc.) If your NFC score ends in 3, and your AFC score ends in 1, you win! > > So what do I win? > > At the end of each quarter, the owner of the square that denotes the game’s current score wins $25, and whoever owns the square denoting the game’s final score wins $50! > > What if the score of the game stays the same? > > Great question! Each square can win two times i.e. two quarters for a total of $50 or a quarter and the final score for a total of $75. > > How do I buy my square(s)? > > Getting in on the action is easy! Get in touch with NABS Treasurer, Elizabeth Rouse, at elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com or by phone at 563-210-1854. Let her know how many squares you’d like to purchase and how you’ll be paying. Then, send your payments via PayPal (@NABSPayments) or Venmo (@NABSlink). Make sure to put “Super Bowl Roulette” in the notation line of your transaction, and once Elizabeth confirms that your payment has been received, she will let you know what squares you own. Then, wait for February 7th, and keep an eye on the score! > > > > Still have questions? > > Reach out to Elizabeth, and she’ll clarify anything you need. > > > > Enjoy the rest of football season, and may the Super Bowl Roulette odds be ever in your favor! > > > > Best Regards > > > > Robert E. Parsons, Jr. > > Board Member| National Association of Blind Students > > Masters Student| Rehabilitation Counseling and Vision Rehabilitation Therapy > > Western Michigan University ‘21 > > Pronouns: He, Him, His > > P: 804.801.7674 > > From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 17:25:58 2020 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:25:58 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Fwd: Open Letter of Apology from President Riccobono References: <20201216171845.16A80616A1B7@lx-web-pri.nfb.org> Message-ID: <97B569FF-556E-4D75-8A7A-9AB44DD73B37@gmail.com> Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: National Federation of the Blind > Date: December 16, 2020 at 10:19:40 MST > To: Cricket Xiao Jiu Bidleman > Subject: Open Letter of Apology from President Riccobono > Reply-To: "National Federation of the Blind" > >  > > > > Open Letter of Apology from President Riccobono > > Content warning: the following letter addresses sensitive topics regarding sexual misconduct and violence. > > Dear Fellow Federationists: > > Many NFB members, former members, and people within our blindness community are hurting. For some, the pain comes from their lived experience of being abused or violated by one of our members and/or made to feel like no one else was listening or came to their defense at a Federation event or training program. For others, what they feel is empathy for survivors who were harmed by participating in the National Federation of the Blind, recognizing that we have not done enough within our movement and systemically within our community. We are deeply sorry that this is true and apologize for where we have failed. As the elected President of this movement, I carry the responsibility of this pain. I am profoundly sorry that anyone has been harmed by experiences in our movement. As a husband, father of three children, and leader who tries to live by a strong set of ethical values, I hurt for the survivors, and I deeply regret that I have made mistakes along the way. At each opportunity that I have to sit with my young children, I am directly reminded how fragile the balances are in our lives and how much our actions can have a lasting impact on others. I live with the regret and sorrow for the mistakes I personally made in dealing with inappropriate behavior in the past. Sometimes my mistakes have only been illuminated later through the honest reflection of a friend or the vulnerable sharing of someone who has been harmed. How do you adequately write a letter to apologize for that? How do you spread this sentiment to an entire movement of people including those who have left our organization? How do we, collectively, create an adequate action plan to promote healing, prevent future incidents, and continue our development of a culture that is welcoming, safe, and eliminates the barriers to bringing concerns forward for resolution? This letter attempts to explore those questions, but this is merely a single moment in these needed conversations. > > Our hearts break for the survivors of abuse and sexual misconduct who have bravely shared incidents that have happened within our organization over the decades. During the past couple of weeks, a number of courageous individuals have shared painful stories about their experiences on social media and in individual conversations. We thank those brave survivors for sharing their stories because we recognize how difficult that is and how each story creates a unique set of emotions and challenges. We deeply regret that over our eighty years we have not handled each situation appropriately or been able to heal the pain that such incidents create. We do not reject these feelings of pain. In fact, we want to find and establish better ways to hear them and continuously eliminate the actions that caused them. We have no intention of debating the circumstances of any instance. Instead we acknowledge that if a survivor was left feeling the situation went unaddressed, then we have failed. The membership demands we do better. I, as President, demand this of myself and expect it from our movement. We will do better. In addition to calling upon all Federationists to listen better, honestly reflect upon your own biases, and to actively align our actions to our words, I call upon you not to dismiss those who cannot believe that our intentions are sincere or those who have had the courage to come forward. It is our individual and collective action, positively focused on making things better that will create belief. That is what has been true for us since 1940, and it will continue to be true for us going forward. > > Let us get down to the hard facts. Words appear to mean nothing without actions, so below I’ve outlined six steps that we are committing to in the near future. Before I list them, please understand that these are initial steps, and we are committed to exploring and implementing whatever policies, programs, trainings, or resources necessary beyond these steps to appropriately address these horrible situations. > > Improvements to Reporting of Incidents > > We are currently thoroughly reviewing the pathways for reporting incidents and how those paths are handled. We are open to revamping all of the reporting mechanisms we have. We are in discussion with outside consultants who are expected to do a complete review of our processes with a specialized emphasize on sexual misconduct and harassment. We will rebuild all of our procedures if needed. We expect our revised processes to involve a third-party entity, but since we do not yet know how that will turn into actionable efforts within our organization, we cannot be specific about that process. Our hope is to be more transparent about our partnership and timelines for action during the first quarter of 2021. We hear you about the uncomfortable position some people feel is created by the current reporting system when a person must report through members they will later need to deal with personally. Regardless of the reporting mechanisms we maintain and create, we must be very clear on one point: Every elected leader of this organization must be prepared to take concerns seriously and to act upon information they are given as quickly and thoroughly as possible. Furthermore, the safety of blind youth who are under our supervision is our highest priority, and any incident that is discovered must be dealt with immediately. > > Open Meeting and Supporting Survivors > > We are committing to hold an open meeting or series of listening sessions to discuss these issues and solicit feedback on what support and resources victims and survivors need. We have not yet detailed what the open meeting and conversations will be. Because we do not want to unintentionally contribute to further pain among survivors, we want blind people with lived experiences and our consultants to guide that process. In the meantime, we continue to answer calls and emails from Federation members seeking clarity about these issues and offering solutions that we will carefully weigh as our learning continues. We are grateful to those of you who have reached out directly offering your personal experiences as a guide to future development. The members of the Federation are expected to shape what we do, and your readiness to bring solutions makes a big difference. Our goal is to provide support and healing to victims and survivors. > > Enhancing the Code of Conduct Work > > Prior to recent events and the stories that have emerged, we were in the process of considering and implementing several enhancements surrounding our code of conduct and its related procedures and programs. We have now paused those efforts. Why? Because we are listening. We have done horribly at messaging and sharing our internal procedures and our plans for effectively administering our organization's code of conduct. I say paused because we want to carefully evaluate where we are and our next steps guided by the expertise of anti-sexual-violence experts from outside our movement. If we must completely reset, that is what we will do. For now, our code and existing procedures are in place to set expectations within our organization. We will carefully evaluate current grievances to ensure that they continue to be safely and swiftly investigated even while our procedures are under review. > > Illuminating Expectations > > You may already know, but the board made its annual revisions to the code and procedures process on December 5, 2020. When we went to post the revisions, we realized that the FAQ we planned to post after the December 2019 review did not happen. No excuses, that was a pretty big dropped ball. That document is intended to answer questions like what happens when a grievance is filed, how is information kept confidential, and what communications can a filing party expect? Overall, we have failed to communicate broadly the procedures we have been using. For example, we allow for advocates to participate with parties who are involved with code of conduct investigations. Moreover, these FAQs will also be informed and expanded based upon questions that continue to be raised. They will also evolve as we implement additional avenues for raising concerns and for training members of the organization. We take ownership for the misinformation that is now circulating. Please keep those questions and suggestions coming. > > Continuous Training > > Training on issues around misconduct and abuse is something we have only skimmed the surface of in the recent past. We have done a minimal amount of training for affiliate presidents and workshops at our national convention. We were not satisfied that our training was sustainable, so we have been seeking other partners. That has been unreasonably slow. No excuse, we understand. We are going to be putting together training with the specific goal of preventing misconduct and abuse at Federation events and to strengthen the level of comfort with reporting. We have also hired an individual to assist in a number of areas including coordinating training—that person only started on November 30, which is why we had not yet introduced her to the membership. > > Consistency across NFB Training Centers > > A lack in consistency in practices across the three training centers that are affiliated with the National Federation of the Blind has been raised as a concern. It is worth noting that only BLIND Incorporated, the Colorado Center for the Blind, and the Louisiana Center for the Blind have made the specific partnership commitments necessary to be formally and officially affiliated with the organized blind movement. On a regular basis, I have been meeting with our training center directors with the specific goal of better aligning our practices and policies. There is more work to do there. We expect these centers to fully commit to our code of conduct practices and set the highest standard of professional practice in all programs. During the most recent revisions of our code of conduct, we discussed the topic of consistency in handling and reporting concerns at our centers. We will be conducting a full review and implementing consistent training for the personnel at each of our centers. I stand with those who have been harmed by any employee, contractor, or volunteer at one of our centers, and I am prepared to help eliminate ineffective practices and urge the termination of those employees and contractors (as well as the exclusion of volunteers) who violate our policies in this area. > > Let me also add that our training centers have made a great difference in raising the standard of training for blind people in this nation and all around the world. As a graduate of one of our centers, I share that pride for the training I received but also the pain that even one person coming through one of our centers would have had a harmful experience. The employees at our centers are some of the most dedicated and thoughtful folks I know, and they are committed to the safety and wellbeing of program participants. However, that does not excuse harmful incidents that have happened in our training programs. I know our centers are committed to doing better. I know the executive directors and boards of each of these training centers will be prioritizing the advancement of these conversations. Most importantly, I know they feel your pain in a very deep and personal way. > > Again, these are immediate actions and commitments. This is not a complete roadmap for the years to come, but it outlines some of the forthcoming actions we are focusing on. We know that we need to examine more ways to support our members such as mental health resources and the expertise of crisis professionals. Members of the Federation have a right to demand information about what is being done, and Federation leaders are expected to share that information. When we committed to the code of conduct in 2018, we made a commitment to a much-needed journey. Our commitment has not wavered even if we have not been outwardly demonstrating a commitment that you can trust. As leaders, we will continue to work to earn your trust and we will remain committed to continuous improvement and an open dialogue for organizational change. We are committed to finding ways to heal that pain, while preventing any future pain that results from unacceptable behavior. We are going to need the ideas and support of the members of this movement to do that in a meaningful and effective manner, so all are welcomed. > > You continue to be our wise teachers. You who have shared your personal experiences and who have dared to open yourselves continue to guide us. In the National Federation of the Blind, we value diversity, we strive to be fully inclusive, and we want to be the safe space for all blind people. Every blind person in this nation deserves what this movement has to offer, and we recognize we have work to do so that every blind person feels like there is a place here for everyone. We are going to get there together. We apologize that we have not yet made it all the way, but we pledge that the commitment is deep and it is real. We are not done with our changes. > > With love and commitment, we are #MarchingTogether. > > — Mark Riccobono, President > officeofthepresident at nfb.org, 410-659-9314 > > The National Federation of the Blind Board of Directors shown below requested that the President write an open letter regarding our commitments. By signing below, each of us affirms our support and commitment to the content of the letter above. Anybody with concerns regarding the content of this letter, the commitments that have been expressed, or potential incidents that may have happened at Federation events are welcome to contact any of the individuals endorsing this statement. > > Pam Allen, First Vice President and Board Chair, pallen at louisianacenter.org, 318-251-2891 > > Ron Brown, Second Vice President, rb15 at iquest.net, 317-213-7031 > > James Gashel, Secretary, jgashel0923 at gmail.com, 808-234-9259 > > Jeannie Massay, Treasurer, jeanniemassay at gmail.com, 405-600-0695 > > Denise Avant, davant1958 at gmail.com, 773-991-8050 > > Everette Bacon, baconev at yahoo.com, 801-631-8108 > > Amy Buresh, amy.buresh74 at gmail.com, 402-440-4722 > > Shawn Callaway, callaway.shawn at gmail.com, 202-352-1511 > > Norma Crosby, ncrosby at nfbtx.org, 281-968-7733 > > John Fritz, president at nfbwis.org, 608-622-7632 > > Ever Lee Hairston, ever.hairston at gmail.com, 323-654-2975 > > Carla McQuillan, president at nfb-oregon.org, 541-653-9153 > > Amy Ruell, aruell at comcast.net, 617-752-1116 > > Joe Ruffalo, nfbnj1 at verizon.net > > Terri Rupp, terri.rupp at gmail.com, 702-524-0835 > > Adelmo Vigil, nfbnewmexicopresident at gmail.com, 575-921-5422 > > > > National Federation of the Blind | 200 E Wells Street | Baltimore, MD 21230 | 410-659-9314 > Unsubscribe | Opt Out | Sign Up for Our E-newsletter From nabs.president at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 19:24:25 2020 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Trisha Kulkarni, National Student President) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 14:24:25 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Registration Is Now Closed for the 2021 NABS At Large Seminar Message-ID: <00ca01d6d3e1$10c84130$3258c390$@gmail.com> Hi Students, We are so excited to have so many students joining us for the2021 NABS At Large Seminar! This message is to confirm that the registration deadline has officially passed. We will unfortunately not be accepting any more registrants passed this point, unless you have reached out directly and we have agreed on an extension. If you have any questions regarding the event, don't hesitate to reach out to Kinshuk Tella at kinshuk.tella at gmail.com . Again, so looking forward to kicking off the year with our NABS family! Best, Trisha Kulkarni President | National Association of Blind Students A Proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind www.nabslink.org From ninam0814 at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 20:04:57 2020 From: ninam0814 at gmail.com (Nina Marranca) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 20:04:57 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] Conquering the Kitchen: December Blog Post Message-ID: Hey, students! Take a quick study break to read our December blog post! With the approaching holidays, we find ourselves making yummy creations in the kitchen fairly often! In this month's blog post, 2 students share their favorite tips and recipes! Hint: There is a recipe for ribs and even a frozen dessert! Happy reading, and be sure to subscribe. Find the post here: https://thestudentslate.wordpress.com/2020/12/16/conquering-the-kitchen-cooking-tips-and-favorite-student-recipes-by-hunter-kuester-and-jonathan-zobek/ Best, Nina Nina Marranca She/her/hers Board Member | National Association of Blind Students Chair | Outreach Committee Secretary Treasurer | New York Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind ninam0814 at gmail.com www.nabslink.org From david.goldfield at outlook.com Fri Dec 18 03:37:42 2020 From: david.goldfield at outlook.com (David Goldfield) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 21:37:42 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] From Brian Hartgen: Studiously Recording: Using Studio Recorder From APH Message-ID: Original Source The following announcement is from Brian Hartgen of Hartgen Consultancy. Studiously Recording. Using Studio Recorder from APH! Submitted by brianhartgen on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 18:24 Introduction. As visually impaired audio enthusiasts, we often talk about many of the mainstream production and recording tools available: Sound Forge, Reaper, GoldWave, to name but three. But when a new version comes along, the first question we're going to be asking is, how accessible will it be? What we really need is something which is easy to use, contains a lot of power and where you can just get the job done. And there's something else. You want the editing work on the audio to be of the utmost precision. Fortunately there is a product which meets all requirements and is the subject of our new training course, Studiously Recording. What is Studio Recorder? Studio Recorder is a seriously underrated software package from APH, the American Printing House for the Blind, and is ideal for anyone who wishes to record speech perhaps for podcasting, to produce and edit the reading of a book, or some other purpose. While not widely recognised, it also can be used to mix music with speech. Indeed we would go as far as saying that unless you want to use multi-track software, it beats every other mainstream product hands-down for mixing sound on sound for some very compelling reasons! Studio Recorder includes features not found in audio recording and editing programs primarily designed for music production. Such features include: · Speed up playback with no change in pitch. · Three levels of phrase detection. · Index tone generation and removal. · Instant open on large files. · Instant cut, copy, paste, and delete. · Simple user interface. · Accessibility for blind and visually impaired users. · Multiple user marks and notes. Studio Recorder was originally written for internal use at American Printing House for the Blind to serve as a tool for creating direct to digital audio recordings for the National Library Service (NLS). It contains many features that ease the task of recording, editing, and proofreading audio books. It also includes features that simplify the production of analog cassette tapes from the digital master, and it aids in the production of Digital Talking Books. The training course not only teaches you how to work with Studio Recorder, but also to understand important concepts such as good microphone placement, poor and excellent editing, and effective audio mixing. Topics include, but are not restricted to: · Installing Studio Recorder and the accompanying optional JAWS script files. · Configuring Studio Recorder including the settings specific to recording and playback. · Making Your first recording. · Saving and opening files. · Playing and navigating through the audio in many ways including for audio narration, for example next and prior sentence, next and prior paragraph. · Learning the location of the cursor in hours, minutes and seconds. · Moving to a specific time in the audio. · Selecting audio ready for editing. · Playing the selected audio. · Cut, copy, paste and delete. · Making very small audio adjustments. · Moving between a number of files which are open. · Copying audio from one file to another. · Adjusting playback speed and pitch. · Adjusting Volume and normalising. · Checking the level metres. · Fading and Crossfading. · Mixing voice over music. · Creating a simple podcast intro with music, speech and sound clips. · Creating a promotional item for radio blending songs and speech. · Saving recordings to MP3. · Recording within a selection period. · Pre/Post-Roll Corrections · Inserting material through recording. · Singing to a Kareoke track and recording at the same time. · Other processing functions. · The Record Bell. Course Dates. The training course is divided into three lessons to take place at 7 PM UK time, 2 PM US Eastern, on the following dates: · Wednesday 20 January. · Wednesday 27 January. · Wednesday 3 February. If you cannot meet at those times, you can still benefit from the audio archives of the webinars and ask questions while the course is ongoing. The course will give to you: · A set of JAWS for Windows scripts which can optionally be installed. They provide some additional functionality so as to ensure that JAWS works alongside Studio Recorder at an enhanced level, including suppressing some unwanted speech output and to provide time-based information in a more concise form; · Sample audio files for practice; · The opportunity to participate in Zoom meetings to ask any questions about topics covered or anything related to Studio Recorder; · An audio recording of the lessons; · A text keystroke summary to cover all topics covered in the lessons. The audio recordings and Zoom meetings are accessed through a secure area of our website which is only available to course participants. Things You Should Know About Studio Recorder. The training course uses JAWS as the screen-reader to work with Studio Recorder. While users of other screen-readers are welcome to purchase this training course, we cannot guarantee the performance. Studio Recorder is priced 200 US dollars. Sadly the American Printing House do not seem to allow you to purchase the product online, but a demonstration copy is available. If an order is placed by telephone, a code to unlock the full features of the product can be emailed. How to Purchase. Studiously Recording is priced 50 pounds which is approximately 62 American dollars. Purchase Studiously Recording Here. Alternatively, anyone can purchase the course by sending an Email to jaws at hartgen.org, whereupon a fully accessible electronic invoice will be sent to you which can be paid through PayPal or any major credit or debit card. Conclusion. While Studio Recorder was originally written for use by the professional narrator and narration monitor, its simple operation makes it ideal for nearly anyone interested in recording, editing, and producing spoken word audio documents and other audio-related material in an efficient manner. Come along to find out how it can be used to its best effect! David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.DavidGoldfield.org From rupasprech at att.net Fri Dec 18 04:38:15 2020 From: rupasprech at att.net (Elizabeth Sprecher) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 23:38:15 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] From Brian Hartgen: Studiously Recording: Using Studio Recorder From APH Message-ID: Hi David, I'm Elizabeth. I've been interested in composing and I currently use Jaws. Do you know of any free and accessible software that will turn a recording in to music notation? Do you know of an accessible software with Jaws where I can use multiple tracks for notating different instruments? Also, if anyone uses Jaws, could they help me set up the software over zoom or the phone? Thanks Elizabeth On Dec 17, 2020 10:37 PM, David Goldfield via NABS-L wrote: > > Original Source > The following announcement is from Brian Hartgen > of Hartgen Consultancy. > > > > > Studiously Recording. Using Studio Recorder from APH! > > Submitted by brianhartgen on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 18:24 > > > Introduction. > > As visually impaired audio enthusiasts, we often > talk about many of the mainstream production and > recording tools available: Sound Forge, Reaper, > GoldWave, to name but three. But when a new > version comes along, the first question we're > going to be asking is, how accessible will it be? > What we really need is something which is easy to > use, contains a lot of power and where you can > just get the job done. And there's something > else. You want the editing work on the audio to be of the utmost precision. > > Fortunately there is a product which meets all > requirements and is the subject of our new > training course, Studiously Recording. > > > What is Studio Recorder? > > Studio Recorder is a seriously underrated > software package from APH, the American Printing > House for the Blind, and is ideal for anyone who > wishes to record speech perhaps for podcasting, > to produce and edit the reading of a book, or > some other purpose. While not widely recognised, > it also can be used to mix music with speech. > Indeed we would go as far as saying that unless > you want to use multi-track software, it beats > every other mainstream product hands-down for > mixing sound on sound for some very compelling reasons! > > Studio Recorder includes features not found in > audio recording and editing programs primarily > designed for music production. Such features include: > ·         Speed up playback with no change in pitch. > ·         Three levels of phrase detection. > ·         Index tone generation and removal. > ·         Instant open on large files. > ·         Instant cut, copy, paste, and delete. > ·         Simple user interface. > ·         Accessibility for blind and visually impaired users. > ·         Multiple user marks and notes. > > Studio Recorder was originally written for > internal use at American Printing House for the > Blind to serve as a tool for creating direct to > digital audio recordings for the National Library > Service (NLS). It contains many features that > ease the task of recording, editing, and > proofreading audio books. It also includes > features that simplify the production of analog > cassette tapes from the digital master, and it > aids in the production of Digital Talking > Books. > > The training course not only teaches you how to > work with Studio Recorder, but also to understand > important concepts such as good microphone > placement, poor and excellent editing, and > effective audio mixing. Topics include, but are not restricted to: > ·         Installing Studio Recorder and the > accompanying optional JAWS script files. > ·         Configuring Studio Recorder including > the settings specific to recording and playback. > ·         Making Your first recording. > ·         Saving and opening files. > ·         Playing and navigating through the > audio in many ways including for audio narration, > for example next and prior sentence, next and prior paragraph. > ·         Learning the location of the cursor in hours, minutes and seconds. > ·         Moving to a specific time in the audio. > ·         Selecting audio ready for editing. > ·         Playing the selected audio. > ·         Cut, copy, paste and delete. > ·         Making very small audio adjustments. > ·         Moving between a number of files which are open. > ·         Copying audio from one file to another. > ·         Adjusting playback speed and pitch. > ·         Adjusting Volume and normalising. > ·         Checking the level metres. > ·         Fading and Crossfading. > ·         Mixing voice over music. > ·         Creating a simple podcast intro with music, speech and sound clips. > ·         Creating a promotional item for radio blending songs and speech. > ·         Saving recordings to MP3. > ·         Recording within a selection period. > ·         Pre/Post-Roll Corrections > ·         Inserting material through recording. > ·         Singing to a Kareoke track and recording at the same time. > ·         Other processing functions. > ·         The Record Bell. > > > Course Dates. > > The training course is divided into three lessons > to take place at 7 PM UK time, 2 PM US Eastern, on the following dates: > ·         Wednesday 20 January. > ·         Wednesday 27 January. > ·         Wednesday 3 February. > > If you cannot meet at those times, you can still > benefit from the audio archives of the webinars > and ask questions while the course is ongoing. > > The course will give to you: > ·         A set of JAWS for Windows scripts which > can optionally be installed. They provide some > additional functionality so as to ensure that > JAWS works alongside Studio Recorder at an > enhanced level, including suppressing some > unwanted speech output and to provide time-based > information in a more concise form; > ·         Sample audio files for practice; > ·         The opportunity to participate in Zoom > meetings to ask any questions about topics > covered or anything related to Studio Recorder; > ·         An audio recording of the lessons; > ·         A text keystroke summary to cover all topics covered in the lessons. > > The audio recordings and Zoom meetings are > accessed through a secure area of our website > which is only available to course participants. > > > Things You Should Know About Studio Recorder. > > The training course uses JAWS as the > screen-reader to work with Studio Recorder. While > users of other screen-readers are welcome to > purchase this training course, we cannot guarantee the performance. > > Studio Recorder is priced 200 US dollars. Sadly > the American Printing House do not seem to allow > you to purchase the product online, but a > demonstration copy is available. If an order is > placed by telephone, a code to unlock the full > features of the product can be emailed. > > > How to Purchase. > > Studiously Recording is priced 50 pounds which is > approximately 62 American dollars. > Purchase > Studiously Recording Here. > > Alternatively, anyone can purchase the course by > sending an Email to > jaws at hartgen.org, > whereupon a fully accessible electronic invoice > will be sent to you which can be paid through > PayPal or any major credit or debit card. > > > Conclusion. > > While Studio Recorder was originally written for > use by the professional narrator and narration > monitor, its simple operation makes it ideal for > nearly anyone interested in recording, editing, > and producing spoken word audio documents and > other audio-related material in an efficient > manner. Come along to find out how it can be used to its best effect! > > > > > > David Goldfield, > Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist > WWW.DavidGoldfield.org > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rupasprech%40att.net From startrektech at techie.com Fri Dec 18 09:49:36 2020 From: startrektech at techie.com (Marvin Hunkin) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 20:19:36 +1030 Subject: [NABS-L] enable audio windows server Message-ID: <005001d6d523$1aee3a00$50caae00$@techie.com> Hi totally blind using jaws, nvda, windows narrator. Able to do this in vm ware player, able to get narrator on the initial install screen. But when it reboots, no audio, and did try the Sc.config audiosrv start= auto. Does not turn it on. So is there a script or a way to turn on audio, when you are blind. Have you done that with windows server 2012 r2, 2016, 2019, and have you played with the insider version of server 2020, and if so, have they addressed this issue, some way to detect when a screen reader is running, then enable audio. So annoying. Marvin. From gene.sh.kim at gmail.com Fri Dec 18 23:46:12 2020 From: gene.sh.kim at gmail.com (Gene Kim) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 15:46:12 -0800 Subject: [NABS-L] =?utf-8?q?You=27re_Invited!_CABS_Holiday_Party_On_Wed_1?= =?utf-8?b?Mi8yMyA3OjAwIC0gODozMCBQTSBQU1Qg8J+OhOKcqPCfjok=?= Message-ID: Howdy Noble NABSters! Happy almost the weekend!! I hope you are wrapping up well with school/work an gearing up for the holidays. To help foster connection and good spirits during this holiday season, the California Association of Blind Students is hosting a virtual holiday party on Wednesday, December 23 from 7:00 - 8:30 PM PST, and you're invited!! 🎈🎊 Join the student division for games, laughs, fun (and maybe deep) conversations, and more using the zoom invitation below! We'd love to meet you there 😄 Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://stanford.zoom.us/j/97141435014?pwd=STB5RFNMc2FraVpsMHcwNDdFYVBLQT09 Password: 123456 Or iPhone one-tap (US Toll): +18333021536,,97141435014# or +16507249799,,97141435014# Or Telephone: Dial: +1 650 724 9799 (US, Canada, Caribbean Toll) or +1 833 302 1536 (US, Canada, Caribbean Toll Free) Meeting ID: 971 4143 5014 Password: 123456 Warmly, Gene -- Gene Sung-Ho Kim | B.S. Candidate, Symbolic Systems | Stanford University Social Media Coordinator | National Association of Blind Students Secretary | California Association of Blind Students From sol.sky.luna at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 01:09:43 2020 From: sol.sky.luna at gmail.com (Sara Luna) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 19:09:43 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Next diversity and inclusion committee meeting Message-ID: <6EBD2965-8190-4B61-8D71-9C45EA20DF9A@gmail.com> Hey NABS family, it’s your friendly neighborhood diversity and inclusion committee here, to remind you that our next committee meeting will be on Sunday, December 20 at 9 PM Eastern. Hope to see all of you there. Link http://www.zoom.us/my/blindstudents Meeting ID 467 883 3687 Peace Sara Sent from my iPhone From mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 02:47:49 2020 From: mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com (Mausam Mehta) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 21:47:49 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Legislative and Self-Advocacy committee meeting, tomorrow at 8 PM Eastern Message-ID: <1208EF8D-E95E-4992-A148-F6689C38C757@gmail.com> Hey NABS fam, Mark your calendars... the Legislative and Self-Advocacy committee will be meeting tomorrow at 8 PM Eastern, and it's about to be legendary... hahaha... Join us for an exciting and interactive student activism panel, where our powerhouse panelists will be discussing their personal involvement and initiatives to promote meaningful causes on their campuses. The thing they all have in common, besides being awesome, is that they have created powerful spaces for communities they care about. Come with questions, and get ready for a great conversation. Join from the Zoom app: https://zoom.us/j/4678833687 One-tap Mobile: +1 (646) 876-9923,,,4678833687# See you there! Mausam Mausam Mehta Co-chair | Legislative and Self-Advocacy Committee Secretary | National Association of blind students A proud division of the National Federation of the blind mausam.mehta.nfb at gmail.com | www.nabslink.org From elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 20:00:00 2020 From: elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rouse) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 14:00:00 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] December NABS Membership Call: Consent in the Eras of Me, Too, COVID-19, and Marching Together Message-ID: Hey, NABSters! I hope this message finds you all basking in the after glow of a successful week of finals. Dropping into your inboxes to invite you all to a mature conversation on the importance of consent and both sex and blindness positivity hosted by the National Association of Blind Students. Many of us have been having conversations lately about the importance of consent in and out of the NFB, so we can’t think of a more appropriate time to begin conversations on how consent can be attractive, how many of us discovered concepts surrounding beauty, and so much more. If you’re interested in participating, we’ll be meeting on Sunday, December 27 at 9:00 PM EST using the following Zoom information: Join Zoom Meeting https://zoom.us/j/4678833687 Meeting ID: 467 883 3687 One tap mobile +13017158592,,4678833687# US (Germantown) +13126266799,,4678833687# US (Chicago) Stop by to hear from some new friends and learn from their past experiences and advice. Then, we’ll move into some questions from both myself and the call attendees. While the topic of consent will be central to our discussion, this event is not the open forum for suggestions on how NABS can best move forward regarding the Marching Together movement that President Trisha Kulkarni mentioned previously. More on that event soon. However, please feel free to reach out to Trisha directly with suggestions, comments, or concerns you may have. I’d also be happy to answer any/all questions about the December membership call. Be well, Elizabeth -- Elizabeth Rouse She/her/hers President | Iowa Association of Blind Students Co-Chair | NABS Outreach Committee Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind www.nabslink.org elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com 563-210-1854 From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 22:57:37 2020 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket X. Bidleman) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 15:57:37 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] You're invited! CABS holiday party Message-ID: Hey there, folks! We know this holiday season, in particular, is more stressful than those in the past, and we wanted to bring you a bit of cheer. We are planning a fun gathering for this Wednesday, December 23rd, at 7:00 PM Pacific (10:00 PM Eastern). there will be time to chat, and plenty of games. Come join us for a relaxing evening. Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://stanford.zoom.us/j/97141435014?pwd=STB5RFNMc2FraVpsMHcwNDdFYVBLQT09     Password: 123456 Or iPhone one-tap (US Toll): +18333021536,,97141435014# or +16507249799,,97141435014# Or Telephone:     Dial: +1 650 724 9799 (US, Canada, Caribbean Toll) or +1 833 302 1536 (US, Canada, Caribbean Toll Free)     Meeting ID: 971 4143 5014     Password: 123456 Happy holidays, Cricket X. Bidleman (on behalf of the CABS board) -- Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers) Stanford University | Class of 2021 BA Candidate | Communications Accessibility Consultant | Stanford University Computer Science Director of Communications | Associated Students of Stanford University (ASSU) President | California Association of Blind Students (CABS) From rupasprech at att.net Mon Dec 21 03:27:24 2020 From: rupasprech at att.net (Elizabeth Sprecher) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 22:27:24 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] How To Use Musescore with Jaws Message-ID: Hi friends, I recently downloaded Musescore on my lap-top and I currently use Jaws. Does anyone know commands to work more efficiently with the Musescore? How do you play back what you wrote? Thanks, Elizabeth From stanley7709 at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 11:17:02 2020 From: stanley7709 at gmail.com (Steve Cook) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 06:17:02 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Christmas With the Cranks Message-ID: <00a601d6d78a$cf20f2b0$6d62d810$@gmail.com> Hello Federation Family! Come join your NFB of SC family on Wednesday, December 23 at 7:30 to watch Christmas with the Cranks audio described. Bring your bowl of popcorn and relax with us! Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/8032543777?pwd=QTVQd2RzN3l6QnNmZ0FmSnp6NG8vQT09 Meeting ID: 803 254 3777 Passcode: 124578 One tap mobile +19292056099,,8032543777# US (New York From rupasprech at att.net Mon Dec 21 11:53:18 2020 From: rupasprech at att.net (Elizabeth Sprecher) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 06:53:18 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Christmas With the Cranks Message-ID: Hello, Is it 7-30 Eastern or central? Thank You On Dec 21, 2020 6:17 AM, Steve Cook via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello Federation Family! > > Come join your NFB of SC family on Wednesday, December 23 at 7:30 to watch Christmas with the Cranks audio described. Bring your bowl of popcorn and relax with us! > > Join Zoom Meeting > https://us02web.zoom.us/j/8032543777?pwd=QTVQd2RzN3l6QnNmZ0FmSnp6NG8vQT09 > Meeting ID: 803 254 3777 > Passcode: 124578 > One tap mobile > +19292056099,,8032543777# US (New York > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rupasprech%40att.net From jhipp25 at sc.rr.com Mon Dec 21 11:55:08 2020 From: jhipp25 at sc.rr.com (Jennifer Bazer) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 06:55:08 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Christmas With the Cranks In-Reply-To: <20201221115424.REMH30256.p-mtain012.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net@p-impin023.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net> References: <20201221115424.REMH30256.p-mtain012.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net@p-impin023.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net> Message-ID: <00ac01d6d790$2168b120$643a1360$@sc.rr.com> Sorry, Eastern. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Elizabeth Sprecher via NABS-L Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 6:53 AM To: Steve Cook via NABS-L Cc: Elizabeth Sprecher Subject: Re: [NABS-L] Christmas With the Cranks Hello, Is it 7-30 Eastern or central? Thank You On Dec 21, 2020 6:17 AM, Steve Cook via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello Federation Family! > > Come join your NFB of SC family on Wednesday, December 23 at 7:30 to watch Christmas with the Cranks audio described. Bring your bowl of popcorn and relax with us! > > Join Zoom Meeting > https://us02web.zoom.us/j/8032543777?pwd=QTVQd2RzN3l6QnNmZ0FmSnp6NG8vQT09 > Meeting ID: 803 254 3777 > Passcode: 124578 > One tap mobile > +19292056099,,8032543777# US (New York > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rupasprech%40att.net _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhipp25%40sc.rr.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 18:36:48 2020 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket X. Bidleman) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:36:48 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] CABS Newsletter: 12/14/2020-12/20/2020 Message-ID: Dear all, Many of you—along with us—have been digesting the recent sexual misconduct testimonials that have been coming out recently in regards to NFB members. We admire the courage it takes for any survivor to share their story, and we hope every leader in this organization does the same. Everyone on the CABS board is available if anyone wants to talk, about this issue and in general. We—the California student division board—will never tolerate inappropriate behavior like this in the division. Perpetrators will be immediately removed from the division, and we encourage all chapters to take the same approach. Further, we urge state and national leaders to continue developing and enforcing practices to minimize incidences of sexual misconduct, and to clarify those practices to the general membership. There are very few announcements this week. The holidays are here, and we want to remind everyone to take care of themselves. Spend time with friends and family, watch some movies, play some games, and rest for the months ahead. Join us for our holiday party on Wednesday. And be sure to wear masks when you’re in public not among family. Lastly, the committee chairs and co-chairs have been finalized! The Affiliate communications Squad leadership consists of Shelbi Felter, Ethan Fung, and Lindsay Kerr. They will continue meeting on the first Saturday of the month, at 3:00 PM Pacific. The outreach leaders are Gene kim and Mary Church, and Bhavya Shah; they meet on the third Saturday of the month at 4:00 PM Pacific. Fundraising consists of Kyle Garcia, Nikki dadlani, and Aaron Espinoza; they meet on the third Saturday of the month at 5:00 PM Pacific. Here’s the Zoom link for all committee meetings: https://stanford.zoom.us/j/97703995906?pwd=dGhmSERLOUFWaXVXaFQ0QzFxdmFzZz09 Password: 314159 iPhone or Android one-tap (US Toll): +18333021536,,97703995906# or +16507249799,,97703995906# Meeting ID: 977 0399 5906 Password: 314159 Please reach out with any questions, comments, and/or concerns, or if you’d like to get involved. We’re here for you! And happy holidays! Best, Cricket X. Bidleman, President (cricketbidleman at gmail.com) Mary Church, Vice-President (churchm94 at gmail.com) Gene Kim, Secretary (gene.sh.kim at gmail.com) Kyle Garcia, Treasurer (kgarcia2432 at gmail.com) Nikki dadlani, Board Member (nikkidadlani at gmail.com) Shelbi Felter, Board Member (sfelts at hotmail.com) Ethan Fung, Board Member (ethanhinfung at gmail.com) -- Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers) Stanford University | Class of 2021 BA Candidate | Communications Accessibility Consultant | Stanford University Computer Science Director of Communications | Associated Students of Stanford University (ASSU) President | California Association of Blind Students (CABS) From codybeardslee at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 19:32:05 2020 From: codybeardslee at gmail.com (Cody Beardslee) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:32:05 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] MNABS Monday Madness Holiday Trivia Message-ID: <101AA9D5-65F6-45D9-9D61-51A2266FBFB7@gmail.com> Happy December everyone! Hope to see you at the revival of MNABS Monday Madness tonight at 7 PM central. Come kick back and chill with us and enjoy some holiday trivia Topic: MNABS Monday Madness Time: This is a recurring meeting Meet anytime Join Zoom Meeting https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 Passcode: 7ZiFp! One tap mobile +16513728299,,92700794823#,,,,,,0#,,729734# US (Minnesota) +13017158592,,92700794823#,,,,,,0#,,729734# US (Washington D.C) Dial by your location +1 651 372 8299 US (Minnesota) +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington D.C) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 Passcode: 729734 Find your local number: https://umn.zoom.us/u/axyPdL6DK Join by SIP 92700794823 at zoomcrc.com Join by H.323 162.255.37.11 (US West) 162.255.36.11 (US East) 221.122.88.195 (China) 115.114.131.7 (India Mumbai) 115.114.115.7 (India Hyderabad) 213.19.144.110 (Amsterdam Netherlands) 213.244.140.110 (Germany) 103.122.166.55 (Australia) 209.9.211.110 (Hong Kong SAR) 149.137.40.110 (Singapore) 64.211.144.160 (Brazil) 69.174.57.160 (Canada) 207.226.132.110 (Japan) Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 Passcode: 729734 Cody Beardslee, Residential and Activities Coordinator, Blindness: Learning In New Dimensions, (BLIND) Inc. 100 East 22nd Street Minneapolis, MN 55404 (612) 872-0100 Ext: 234 LIVE THE LIFE YOU WANT! From shane at mediate.tech Tue Dec 22 00:29:38 2020 From: shane at mediate.tech (Shane Lowe) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 19:29:38 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Lots of Reading for the Holidays! Message-ID: Hi all, I hope you are well! :) Not only is there a global pandemic, but some parts of the United States are currently in an insane snow storm, so I thought I'd reach out with a few of the new Supersense blog posts to keep you entertained while stuck inside. If you're looking for a job or hoping to spice up your resume, we wrote this post for you. We actually had the idea to write it because of a discussion on this list. :) https://www.supersense.app/post/a-step-by-step-guide-to-formatting-your-resume Are you still shopping for people's Christmas gifts? Hoping to catch lower prices after the holiday time? Check out this gift guide. I'd like to receive most of the stuff on it! https://www.supersense.app/post/the-best-gift-guide-ever-for-last-minute-holiday-shopping On the technical side of things, check out this post from Peter, one of our guest writers who has a new development philosophy for how app developers can utilize blind testers https://www.supersense.app/post/the-blind-perspective-philosophy-an-important-new-tool-to-guide-software-development-for-the-blind My co-author Ipek wrote this one about accessible ways to experience art and museums both in and out of the pandemic! https://www.supersense.app/post/making-art-accessible-to-all And finally, I wrote this post about nostalgic audio games and applications people used to use before the iPhone 5 was even a thing! https://www.supersense.app/post/a-blast-from-the-past-nostalgic-programs-from-2012-and-prior Enjoy, and as always, if there's anything you'd like us to write about, feel free to get in touch! All the best, -- Shane Lowe. Community Manager @ Mediate Mobile (call or text): +1 502-435-2671 Learn more at http://supersense.app From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu Tue Dec 22 23:26:34 2020 From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 23:26:34 +0000 Subject: [NABS-L] IMPORTANT INFO on COVID-19 Checks Message-ID: Fellow Blind Students, This email includes information about the money that we can receive as a result of the work in Washington, DC. They aren’t called stimulus checks this time, but that’s basically what they are. Enjoy! Aloha, Justin Justin Mark Hideaki Salisbury he/him/his Second Vice President | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind (808) 797-8606 president at alumni.ecu.edu | www.nabslink.org From: NFBNet-Members-List On Behalf Of Pare, John via NFBNet-Members-List Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 5:53 PM To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Legislative Alert - 12/22/2020 Dear Fellow Federationists: Late Monday night Congress passed the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021. This bill provides for an “additional 2020 recovery rebate for individuals” in the amount of $600 per person. Married couples who file jointly will receive $1,200 and $600 per eligible child (aged 16 and under), if applicable. Similar to the previous Economic Impact Payments, eligibility will be based on one’s 2019 tax return. Full recovery rebates will go to individuals with up to $75,000 in adjusted gross income, heads of household with up to $112,500, and married couples under $150,000. Individuals with $87,000 or more in income and married couples who file jointly earning $174,000 or more will not receive any recovery rebate. Similar to the CARES Act, individuals who are claimed as a dependent on someone else’s tax return will not qualify for an individual recovery rebate. As with the stimulus checks sent through the CARES Act this Spring, you will still need a valid Social Security number in order to be eligible. This time, however, a spouse who has a Social Security number who files jointly with a spouse who does not will still receive their own $600 check. Their children may also qualify, provided they have Social Security numbers of their own. Recovery rebates are set to be sent to federal beneficiaries, such as those who receive income from Social Security, Supplemental Security Income or Veterans Administration, even if they did not file 2019 returns. The payments will be protected from garnishment by banks or levies by debt collectors. Recovery rebates will be considered unearned income and will not affect one's Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) benefits. This spring’s economic impact payments did not have an effect on Supplemental Security Income (SSI) recipients, as long as the funds were used within twelve months of receipt. We anticipate that the same rule will apply for the additional recovery rebate. We will send further legislative alerts as we learn more details. Warm regards, John John G. Paré Jr. Executive Director for Advocacy and Policy National Federation of the Blind 200 East Wells Street Baltimore, MD 21230 Telephone: (410) 659-9314, extension 2218 Cell phone: (410) 917-1965 Email: jpare at nfb.org The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation’s blind. Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they want. From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com Wed Dec 23 16:26:24 2020 From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 10:26:24 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Stimulus Checks Questions References: <089166DB-04A0-4B46-B79E-B886F64DF6A9.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <089166DB-04A0-4B46-B79E-B886F64DF6A9@yahoo.com> Hi All, I think the stimulus checks people received, which some of us get SSI, was $$1,200. Right? Are we supposed to report that check as earnings? When should that money be reported, if so? I saw the email about the rebate from Congress that is supposed to come within the next year, and I was not sure if the email was also referring to the previous stimulus checks of $1,200 or not. Was that email also talking about the upcoming rebate needing to be reported as income at some point too? I would like to understand. I want to do right. Thank you for your help. Blessings, Ahbee Vice President, AABS “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV From kat.bottner at gmail.com Wed Dec 23 16:36:08 2020 From: kat.bottner at gmail.com (Kat Bottner) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 11:36:08 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Stimulus Checks Questions In-Reply-To: <089166DB-04A0-4B46-B79E-B886F64DF6A9@yahoo.com> References: <089166DB-04A0-4B46-B79E-B886F64DF6A9@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9E383390-EB38-4F6A-B4CF-0D711557F122@gmail.com> Hi All,for those of you receiving SSI benefits as well as SSDI benefits, you do not need to report the upcoming check or previous check as earned income, as it is not earned I hope this information helps. Thanks, Katincome. > On Dec 23, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > > I think the stimulus checks people received, which some of us get SSI, was $$1,200. Right? Are we supposed to report that check as earnings? When should that money be reported, if so? I saw the email about the rebate from Congress that is supposed to come within the next year, and I was not sure if the email was also referring to the previous stimulus checks of $1,200 or not. Was that email also talking about the upcoming rebate needing to be reported as income at some point too? I would like to understand. I want to do right. Thank you for your help. > > Blessings, > Ahbee > > Vice President, AABS > “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” > 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottner%40gmail.com From mcap at fastmail.com Wed Dec 23 16:57:10 2020 From: mcap at fastmail.com (Capelle, Michael C.) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 10:57:10 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Stimulus Checks Questions In-Reply-To: <089166DB-04A0-4B46-B79E-B886F64DF6A9@yahoo.com> References: <089166DB-04A0-4B46-B79E-B886F64DF6A9.ref@yahoo.com> <089166DB-04A0-4B46-B79E-B886F64DF6A9@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004901d6d94c$a7d5b1f0$f78115d0$@fastmail.com> No, no need to report that. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Ahbee Orton via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 10:26 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Ahbee Orton Subject: [NABS-L] Stimulus Checks Questions Hi All, I think the stimulus checks people received, which some of us get SSI, was $$1,200. Right? Are we supposed to report that check as earnings? When should that money be reported, if so? I saw the email about the rebate from Congress that is supposed to come within the next year, and I was not sure if the email was also referring to the previous stimulus checks of $1,200 or not. Was that email also talking about the upcoming rebate needing to be reported as income at some point too? I would like to understand. I want to do right. Thank you for your help. Blessings, Ahbee Vice President, AABS “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 NIV _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mcap%40fastmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Wed Dec 23 20:12:29 2020 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket X. Bidleman) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 13:12:29 -0700 Subject: [NABS-L] Fwd: You're invited! CABS holiday party this Wednesday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi hi, Last reminder for the holiday party this evening. See you there! Best, Cricket ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Cricket X. Bidleman" Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 15:59:08 -0700 Subject: You're invited! CABS holiday party this Wednesday To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List Hey there, folks! We know this holiday season, in particular, is more stressful than those in the past, and we wanted to bring you a bit of cheer. We are planning a fun gathering for this Wednesday, December 23rd, at 7:00 PM Pacific (10:00 PM Eastern). there will be time to chat, and plenty of games. Come join us for a relaxing evening. Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://stanford.zoom.us/j/97141435014?pwd=STB5RFNMc2FraVpsMHcwNDdFYVBLQT09 Password: 123456 Or iPhone one-tap (US Toll): +18333021536,,97141435014# or +16507249799,,97141435014# Or Telephone: Dial: +1 650 724 9799 (US, Canada, Caribbean Toll) or +1 833 302 1536 (US, Canada, Caribbean Toll Free) Meeting ID: 971 4143 5014 Password: 123456 Happy holidays, Cricket X. Bidleman (on behalf of the CABS board) -- Cricket X. Bidleman (she/her/hers) Stanford University | Class of 2021 BA Candidate | Communications Accessibility Consultant | Stanford University Computer Science Director of Communications | Associated Students of Stanford University (ASSU) President | California Association of Blind Students (CABS) From awildheir at gmail.com Thu Dec 24 14:45:23 2020 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 09:45:23 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Voc Rehab Funding Message-ID: <71318331-967A-40FA-A5ED-2556150574A5@gmail.com> Hello Everyone, I am having some issues with my local Vocational Rehabilitation. They apparently didn't pay my tuition in full. I didn't find out until I went to register for next semester's classes. I receive both SSI and SSDI. It is my understanding they should cover my tuition in full. Isn't this the case? Does anybody have any specific reading suggestions for me to better understand or possibly prove my position on this matter? Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Warm regards, Aimee Sent from my iPhone Warm regards, Aimee Sent from my iPhone From andrehill6188 at gmail.com Thu Dec 24 15:15:49 2020 From: andrehill6188 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9_Hill?=) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 10:15:49 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Voc Rehab Funding In-Reply-To: <71318331-967A-40FA-A5ED-2556150574A5@gmail.com> References: <71318331-967A-40FA-A5ED-2556150574A5@gmail.com> Message-ID: How much tuition Voc Rehab pays will depend where you live and how VR operates in that state. Depending on whether your institution is public or private will make a difference as to how much VR pays towards your tuition. >From my understanding and experience, they will pay for your tuition in full if you are going to a public institution in state however if you are attending one that is private, they may only pay that it would cost at a public institution. There are exceptions of course for example, if your career requires specialized training they may pay for it in full or part of it. Generally speaking, they are suppose to tell you in advance of classes starting how much they are going to pay amd it is agreed to by all parties. It is also one of the reasons you are told to fill out a FAFSA application in case they don't play it all. My suggestion is you talk to your counselor as soon as possible to resolve the problem. On Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 9:46 AM Aimee Harwood via NABS-L wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I am having some issues with my local Vocational Rehabilitation. They > apparently didn't pay my tuition in full. I didn't find out until I went to > register for next semester's classes. I receive both SSI and SSDI. It is my > understanding they should cover my tuition in full. Isn't this the case? > Does anybody have any specific reading suggestions for me to better > understand or possibly prove my position on this matter? Any ideas or > suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Warm regards, > Aimee > > Sent from my iPhone > > > Warm regards, > Aimee > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/andrehill6188%40gmail.com > From keribcu at gmail.com Thu Dec 24 15:29:58 2020 From: keribcu at gmail.com (Keri Svendsen) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 10:29:58 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Voc Rehab Funding In-Reply-To: <71318331-967A-40FA-A5ED-2556150574A5@gmail.com> References: <71318331-967A-40FA-A5ED-2556150574A5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <760e82f0-38f5-d000-8299-446fc882482f@gmail.com> Hi Aimie, They only pay up to a certain amount, depending on the school in your state they use as base max, but they also look at other aid you get in determining how much they pay. You need to talk to your counselor/a supervisor to find out why they only paid a portion. On 12/24/2020 9:45 AM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I am having some issues with my local Vocational Rehabilitation. They apparently didn't pay my tuition in full. I didn't find out until I went to register for next semester's classes. I receive both SSI and SSDI. It is my understanding they should cover my tuition in full. Isn't this the case? Does anybody have any specific reading suggestions for me to better understand or possibly prove my position on this matter? Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Warm regards, > Aimee > > Sent from my iPhone > > > Warm regards, > Aimee > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/keribcu%40gmail.com -- Keri Svendsen From alishag.important2018 at gmail.com Thu Dec 24 15:53:46 2020 From: alishag.important2018 at gmail.com (Alisha Geary) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 10:53:46 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Voc Rehab Funding In-Reply-To: <760e82f0-38f5-d000-8299-446fc882482f@gmail.com> References: <71318331-967A-40FA-A5ED-2556150574A5@gmail.com> <760e82f0-38f5-d000-8299-446fc882482f@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, Yes, your VR should pay your tuition in full but you must keep your GPA up to 2.0, have applied for the FAFSA, and in Tennessee, they also have had to apply for our state scholarship, Tennessee Promise, so if your state has a scholarship, you may need to look into that as well. I hope this helped. Have a happy holiday! Kind regards, Alisha From fairall at panix.com Thu Dec 24 16:29:45 2020 From: fairall at panix.com (Leslie Fairall) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 11:29:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NABS-L] Voc Rehab Funding In-Reply-To: <71318331-967A-40FA-A5ED-2556150574A5@gmail.com> References: <71318331-967A-40FA-A5ED-2556150574A5@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Aimee: Did you receive a copy of your IPE? That stands for Individualized Plan for Employment. It should specify the amount of tuition your voc rehab agency will pay each semester. If it doesn't, I would request a meeting with your counselor so that you can come to an agreement and put it in writing. -- Leslie Fairall mailto:fairall at panix.com From codybeardslee at gmail.com Fri Dec 25 16:01:40 2020 From: codybeardslee at gmail.com (Cody Beardslee) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 10:01:40 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Monday Madness Discussion Call Message-ID: <51D27D08-097E-47D6-A469-ABADAE508F20@gmail.com> Happy Holidays, Students! We hope your holiday season went well with family, friends, and loved ones, while staying safe and healthy during these challenging times. The Minnesota Association of Blind Students (MNABS) would like to invite you all to our Monday Madness event, which will be held next Monday, December 28th at 7:00PM CST. We will have a philosophical discussion led by NFBMN board member, Jennifer Wenzel, on tips and tricks on traveling home for the holidays and the importance of spending time with your family. Hope to see you all there! 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From elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com Sun Dec 27 00:00:00 2020 From: elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rouse) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 18:00:00 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Final Reminder: Membership Call Discussing Consent in the Eras of Me, Too and COVID-19 Message-ID: Hello NABS friends! Dropping in with a final reminder to attend the NABS December membership call, where we will have a mature, enriching, and engaging discussion about consent in the eras of “Me, Too” and COVID-19. If you’re interested in participating, we’ll be meeting on Sunday, December 27 at 9:00 PM EST using the following Zoom information: Join Zoom Meeting https://zoom.us/j/4678833687 Meeting ID: 467 883 3687 One tap mobile +13017158592,,4678833687# US (Germantown) +13126266799,,4678833687# US (Chicago) We cannot wait to learn alongside many of our members from special guests, Mary and Laura, who have generously agreed to share their time and experiences with us regarding consent, sexuality, sex positivity, and blindness positivity. Please note that, while the concept of consent is central to our discussion, this call will not serve as the open forum regarding the Marching Together movement previously referenced by President Trisha Kulkarni. More on that event is coming in the new year. If you have any specific recommendations, we invite you to reach out to Trisha directly at nabs.president at gmail.com. Hope to hear your voice on tomorrow evening’s call! Best, Elizabeth -- Elizabeth Rouse She/her/hers President | Iowa Association of Blind Students Co-Chair | NABS Outreach Committee Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind www.nabslink.org elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com 563-210-1854 From dandrews920 at comcast.net Sun Dec 27 17:20:03 2020 From: dandrews920 at comcast.net (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 11:20:03 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Webinar From APH Access Academy: ZoomText: Web Browsing Tips for Students and Teachers; Friday, January 22, 2021, 12:00 PM Eastern Time Message-ID: > >Title of Webinar > >ZoomText: Web Browsing Tips for Students and Teachers > >Date > >Friday, January 22, 2021 > >Time > >12:00 – 1:00 PM EST > >Duration > >60 Minutes > >Description > >Conducting research on the internet and citing >references is an essential skill for middle >school and high school students. Students with >low-vision can complete these tasks efficiently >with tools built-in ZoomText. Join APH and >Vispero for this virtual learning event and >learn how to utilize ZoomText to effectively conduct internet research. > >Instructors > >Ben Knolles, Training Coordinator at Paciello Group > >Mike Wood, Tactile Literacy Product Manager at APH > >Primary Core or ECC Area > >Assistive Technology > >Target Audience > >Teachers, Students, Parents, Assistive Technology Specialists > >Pre-requisite knowledge > >none > >Lesson Plan Goal > >The participants will identify 3 tools found in >ZoomText that enable efficient internet research for students with low-vison. > >Learning Objectives > >The participants will list three benefits of >using Voice Assistant with ZoomText. > >The participant will compare and contrast three >options in App Reader that enables students to read through web pages. > >The participant will identify three ways the >Finder Tool can help students research a topic on the internet. > >Materials Needed > >none > >Collect ACVREP Credit > >Credit is only available for the live >presentation at this time. To collect ACRVEP >credit, please listen for the opening and >closing codes during the live session and submit >these on the ACVREP Certificate Request form >linked from our >Education >Training page. Following submission, a >certificate will be emailed to you within a week. > >Registration Link > >Register >for ZoomText: Web Browsing Tips for Students and Teachers webinar From dandrews920 at comcast.net Sun Dec 27 17:26:00 2020 From: dandrews920 at comcast.net (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 11:26:00 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] =?iso-8859-1?q?From_Gizmo=27s_Freeware=3A_All_the_Windo?= =?iso-8859-1?q?ws_10_Tutorials_You=E2=80=99ll_Ever_Need?= Message-ID: > > From the original list owner: while these > tutorials were not specifically designed for > users of screen readers they will surely be of > value to both blind and sighted users alike. > Please note that > the > page containing these tutorials contains over > 4480 links. Even on a fast PC it may take your > screen reader a while to load the entire page into the virtual buffer. > > > > > > >All the Windows 10 Tutorials You’ll Ever Need > > > >Whether you already use Windows 10 or are making >the switch from Windows 7 or 8.1, this extensive >list of tutorials will show you how to do almost anything in Windows 10. > >This treasure trove of Windows 10 tips and >tutorials covers most areas of Windows 10. It's >a great resource for anyone new to Windows 10, >and Windows 10 users can find things they didn't >know about or look for something specific. The >tutorials are clear and easy to follow, often >with more than one option to get something done. >The tutorials cover these categories: > >• Network and Sharing >• Installation and Upgrade >• General Tips >• Browsers and Mail >• Gaming and Xbox >• Apps and Features >• Customization >• Virtualization >• BSOD (Blue Screen of Death) >• System Security >• User Accounts >• Hardware and Drivers >• Updates and Activation >• Backup and Restore >• Performance and Maintenance >• Mixed Reality >• Phone > >In addition to the web page, the tutorial index >is available on Google Sheets and can be >downloaded as a PDF or an xlsx spreadsheet. >Downloading the index makes it easier to peruse >because there are many tutorials - the PDF file >contains 127 US letter size pages. The tutorials >and index are updated on a regular basis to keep >up with Windows 10 changes. >Read >More > > > >https://www.techsupportalert.com/content/all-windows-10-tutorials-you-ll-ever-need.htm From codybeardslee at gmail.com Sun Dec 27 20:44:20 2020 From: codybeardslee at gmail.com (Cody Beardslee) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 14:44:20 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Reminder Monday Madness Message-ID: <11457B79-DF90-423A-A18E-C5430B4E008E@gmail.com> Hey everyone! Here’s a friendly reminder for our Monday Madness Discussion call tomorrow Join Zoom Meeting https://umn.zoom.us/j/92700794823?pwd=NkgrWnEyZE5xL2FuSG1qVVdNc3BDUT09 Meeting ID: 927 0079 4823 Passcode: 7ZiFp! 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From alpineimagination at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 00:53:46 2020 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 16:53:46 -0800 Subject: [NABS-L] Accessibility of Google Play books on iPhone Message-ID: Hi, I hope you are all doing well and enjoying the holidays. I start my second semester of graduate school next semester. One of my books is not available on Bookshare, NLS, Apple Books, VitalSource or Kindle, but is available as a Google Play ebook. A few years ago there was a discussion about Google Play not being the most accessible, but I was wondering if it has improved at all since then? Thank you, Vejas From keribcu at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 20:56:38 2020 From: keribcu at gmail.com (Keri Svendsen) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 15:56:38 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] question about people's united bank Message-ID: Is their online banking accessible does anyone know? We are considering using it for one of our chapters here in Massachusetts because they have a free nonprofit option. -- Keri Svendsen From jillianmilton at yahoo.com Tue Dec 29 22:26:47 2020 From: jillianmilton at yahoo.com (Jillian Milton) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 17:26:47 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Accessible Java Integrated Development Environments (IDEs) References: <3D5BDA95-D0C7-4661-9CFF-4907749203F2.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D5BDA95-D0C7-4661-9CFF-4907749203F2@yahoo.com> Hello, My name is Jillian, and I am a freshman in college. I finished taking an intro to computer science course in Java, and the Integrated Development Environment (IDE) software that I used to type my code was not VoiceOver accessible. The IDE was called Processing. My next computer science course will be in Java and I am looking for an accessible software to type and run code that will work with VoiceOver. I would also want VoiceOver to be able to read each character as it is being typed in the IDE. Any suggestions will be much appreciated. Thank you, Jillian Milton From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 03:32:34 2020 From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 22:32:34 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on finding apartments at a distance Message-ID: <2D974F27-CBF3-4B9F-94F1-CA014FB41F78@gmail.com> Sent from my iPhone Hi, I am planning after I graduate to move to Texas for jobs in my field of study for a new place to experience and for better job prospects. However, I am not sure how to search for the best and/or most suitable apartments at a distance. How have any of you done this? What tools did you use that gave you the descriptions of the places online when you did a search? If you did it verbally over the phone, what questions did you ask to ensure you got into a decent apartment that is both moderately livable and as visually appealing as possible overall in design as far as the specs of it are concerned. Any and all tips are greatly appreciated. Thanks. From misokwak12 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 04:09:17 2020 From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (misokwak12 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 23:09:17 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on finding apartments at a distance In-Reply-To: <2D974F27-CBF3-4B9F-94F1-CA014FB41F78@gmail.com> References: <2D974F27-CBF3-4B9F-94F1-CA014FB41F78@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00e701d6de61$98066c00$c8134400$@gmail.com> One suggestion I have is being in touch with folks in the city you are interested in and asking them for recommendations on neighborhoods you should look into. If possible, do this process with blind folks and/or sighted people who know you well. I think you could ask them things like Which neighborhoods are good for walking? What is the public transit like, and where would make most sense to live and access the public transit? Anything else you should consider that may be particular to the city you are moving to? For example, when I was looking for a place in the Boston area after living many years in Southern California, someone suggested to me that I should try to find a street that is not too steep as a caution for icy/snowy winter days. I honestly never thought about that during my search until this person suggested me this because I haven't lived in the snowy climate for so long. Hope this helps. Best, Miso -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Mariya Vasileva via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 10:33 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Mariya Vasileva Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on finding apartments at a distance Sent from my iPhone Hi, I am planning after I graduate to move to Texas for jobs in my field of study for a new place to experience and for better job prospects. However, I am not sure how to search for the best and/or most suitable apartments at a distance. How have any of you done this? What tools did you use that gave you the descriptions of the places online when you did a search? If you did it verbally over the phone, what questions did you ask to ensure you got into a decent apartment that is both moderately livable and as visually appealing as possible overall in design as far as the specs of it are concerned. Any and all tips are greatly appreciated. Thanks. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com From stanley7709 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 10:32:53 2020 From: stanley7709 at gmail.com (Steve Cook) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 05:32:53 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Leadership Seminar Message-ID: <006301d6de97$220a32d0$661e9870$@gmail.com> We hope to see each of you at our Leadership Seminar on January 9, 2021! Click here to access the membership form for the National Federation of the Blind of SC Steve Cook District 2 State Board Member of the National Federation of the Blind of SC President Elect of the Columbia chapter of the National Federation of the Blind of SC 1st Vice President of the Computer Science & Technology Division of the National Federation of the Blind of SC The National Federation of the Blind of SC owns and operates Rocky Bottom Retreat & Conference Center. Below is a link to read more about Rocky Bottom and to make a reservation for a mountain retreat! Rocky Bottom Retreat & Conference Center Please join the National Federation of the Blind of SC on Face Book at any of the below links! National Federation of the Blind of SC on Face Book Computer Science & Technology Division of the National Federation of the Blind of SC Rocky Bottom Retreat & Conference Center South Carolina Association of Blind Students South Carolina Parents of Blind Children The National Federation of the Blind welcomes all blind people, parents of blind children, blind students, those losing vision, and more. We are a family of members and friends that knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. You can live the life you want. How to Join Federation of the Blind is to attend a chapter or division meeting in your local area. You can find your nearest chapter or division meeting by reaching out to your state affiliate president. Membership in a chapter or division will automatically grant you membership in your state affiliate and the national organization. Come join us! From: NFBofSC On Behalf Of Jennifer Bazer via NFBofSC Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 7:34 PM To: 'NFB of South Carolina Mailing List' Cc: Jennifer Bazer Subject: [NFBofSC] Statewide Seminar, Need Attendance Numbers ASAP, deadline for gift card drawing is January 5, 2021 Hello NFB of SC and Others! Our annual statewide seminar will be held Saturday, January 9 from 10:00 until 4:00. This event is required for all NFB of SC chapter and division presidents along with members of the Federation Center board, the Rocky Bottom board and the NFB of SC board. We welcome anyone from SC and beyond to attend our day of fun and information. This event is open to everyone, everywhere! If you plan to attend the statewide seminar, please call David Houck at the Federation Center at 803-254-3777 and let him know if you will attend in-person or on zoom. Those that let him know via email or phone call how you will attend, will have your name entered into a $50 gift card drawing, which you must be present via zoom or in-person to win. You may also email him at nfbsc at sc.rr.com and copy me at jhipp25 at sc.rr.com to let us know of your intentions! This event is hybrid. If you plan to attend in-person, the address is 119 S. Kilbourne Road, Columbia, SC 29205. Masks are required at all times, unless actively eating or drinking. Social distancing will be observed. If you have suggestions for the seminar, please call or text me at 803-960-9977 or email me at jhipp25 at sc.rr.com Sincerely, Jennifer Bazer, President, NFB of SC 803-960-9977 Jhipp25 at sc.rr.com From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 13:12:56 2020 From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (Robert Parsons) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 08:12:56 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Claim Your Spot: 2021 NABS Superbowl Roulette!! References: Message-ID: <9FCCA417-0D03-42D6-8050-FC9743D714EB@gmail.com> Good Morning Football Lovers > As Super Bowl LV approaches, we're happy to revive a fan favorite with the launch of 2021 Super Bowl Roulette! This fundraiser, which consists of nothing more than a well formatted spreadsheet, is open to all. Whether you're slaying the game and holding the number one seed in your Fantasy Football league or you can't tell the difference between offense and defense, you could win big alongside the Super Bowl champions on February 7, 2021. > > How does it all work, you ask? > > Let's start with the spreadsheet itself. > > Horizontally across the top of the sheet, the numbers 1-9, followed by a 0 are displayed. The same numbers are also listed vertically down the far left column. The horizontal and vertical numbers intersect in 100 numbered squares on the sheet. For example, number 3 on the horizontal line meets number 1 on the vertical line in intersecting square 3. > > The horizontal line represents the team score from the National Football Conference (NFC), and the vertical line represents the team score from the American Football Conference (AFC). > > Now, how do you play? > > Each numbered box can be purchased for only $5, and you can buy as many boxes as you want. Because we want anyone and everyone to have a chance at winning big, boxes are assigned upon purchase using a random number generator. No knowledge of the sport is required to win. > > But how do I win? > > After purchasing your squares, you have four chances to win during the game-at the end of each quarter. The secret to winning lies in the scores of the teams. The final digit in each team's score, or, if the score is a single digit, the only number, decides the winner. If you own the square where the two ending scores intersect, you win! For example, if you own box 3 from our example above, your horizontal or NFC score has to end in 3 (this number could be 3, 43, 13, etc.) and your vertical or AFC score has to end in 1 (this number could be 1, 61, 11, etc.) If your NFC score ends in 3, and your AFC score ends in 1, you win! > > So what do I win? > > At the end of each quarter, the owner of the square that denotes the game's current score wins $25, and whoever owns the square denoting the game's final score wins $50! > > What if the score of the game stays the same? > > Great question! Each square can win two times i.e. two quarters for a total of $50 or a quarter and the final score for a total of $75. > > How do I buy my square(s)? > > Getting in on the action is easy! Get in touch with NABS Treasurer, Elizabeth Rouse, at elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com or by phone at 563-210-1854. Let her know how many squares you'd like to purchase and how you'll be paying. Then, send your payments via PayPal (@NABSPayments) or Venmo (@NABSlink). Make sure to put "Super Bowl Roulette" in the notation line of your transaction, and once Elizabeth confirms that your payment has been received, she will let you know what squares you own. Then, wait for February 7th, and keep an eye on the score! > > > > Still have questions? > > Reach out to Elizabeth, and she'll clarify anything you need. > > > > Enjoy the rest of football season, and may the Super Bowl Roulette odds be ever in your favor! > > Best Regards > > Robert E. Parsons, Jr. > Board Member| National Association of Blind Students Masters Student| Rehabilitation Counseling and Vision Rehabilitation Therapy Western Michigan University '21 > Pronouns: He, Him, His > P: 804.801.7674 > > From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 13:59:45 2020 From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 08:59:45 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Accessible Java Integrated Development Environments (IDEs) In-Reply-To: <3D5BDA95-D0C7-4661-9CFF-4907749203F2@yahoo.com> References: <3D5BDA95-D0C7-4661-9CFF-4907749203F2.ref@yahoo.com> <3D5BDA95-D0C7-4661-9CFF-4907749203F2@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jillian, I would try eclipse. I would also get familiar with the nfb in computer science list as they may have other suggestions. On 12/29/20, Jillian Milton via NABS-L wrote: > Hello, > > My name is Jillian, and I am a freshman in college. I finished taking an > intro to computer science course in Java, and the Integrated Development > Environment (IDE) software that I used to type my code was not VoiceOver > accessible. The IDE was called Processing. My next computer science course > will be in Java and I am looking for an accessible software to type and run > code that will work with VoiceOver. I would also want VoiceOver to be able > to read each character as it is being typed in the IDE. Any suggestions will > be much appreciated. > > Thank you, > Jillian Milton > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com > -- Taylor From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 17:12:43 2020 From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 12:12:43 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on finding apartments at a distance In-Reply-To: <00e701d6de61$98066c00$c8134400$@gmail.com> References: <00e701d6de61$98066c00$c8134400$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4248A8D7-8452-4669-B6A3-AE70C5A5ABFB@gmail.com> Thank you so much I really appreciate it. I’m assuming other questions will have to relate to crime rates and public services such as healthcare and food services. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 29, 2020, at 11:10 PM, misokwak12--- via NABS-L wrote: > > One suggestion I have is being in touch with folks in the city you are > interested in and asking them for recommendations on neighborhoods you > should look into. > If possible, do this process with blind folks and/or sighted people who know > you well. I think you could ask them things like > Which neighborhoods are good for walking? What is the public transit like, > and where would make most sense to live and access the public transit? > Anything else you should consider that may be particular to the city you are > moving to? > For example, when I was looking for a place in the Boston area after living > many years in Southern California, someone suggested to me that I should try > to find a street that is not too steep as a caution for icy/snowy winter > days. > I honestly never thought about that during my search until this person > suggested me this because I haven't lived in the snowy climate for so long. > Hope this helps. > Best, > Miso > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Mariya Vasileva via > NABS-L > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 10:33 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: Mariya Vasileva > Subject: [NABS-L] Tips on finding apartments at a distance > > > > Sent from my iPhone > Hi, I am planning after I graduate to move to Texas for jobs in my field of > study for a new place to experience and for better job prospects. However, I > am not sure how to search for the best and/or most suitable apartments at a > distance. How have any of you done this? What tools did you use that gave > you the descriptions of the places online when you did a search? If you did > it verbally over the phone, what questions did you ask to ensure you got > into a decent apartment that is both moderately livable and as visually > appealing as possible overall in design as far as the specs of it are > concerned. Any and all tips are greatly appreciated. Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mkvnfb94%40gmail.com From elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 19:00:00 2020 From: elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rouse) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 13:00:00 -0600 Subject: [NABS-L] Saying Goodbye and Waving Hello: December NABS Notes are Live! Message-ID: Hey, NABSters! Whether you’re ringing in the new year with some friends or you’re calling it an early night and snuggling with your cat to celebrate 2021, we want you to know we’re grateful to have spent another year with our NABS family. We hope that you’ll find the time to recap 2020 and look ahead to 2021 with the December edition of NABS Notes, which are linked below and attached for your convenience. https://nabslink.org/content/nabs-notes-december-2020 As always, if you have questions about how to get involved with our committees or any of the enclosed material, we invite you to reach out to a member of the NABS Board to get more information. We cannot wait to see all that we can accomplish together in 2021; here’s to the successes of the past and the possibilities of the future. Happy almost New Year! Elizabeth -- Elizabeth Rouse She/her/hers President | Iowa Association of Blind Students Co-Chair | NABS Outreach Committee Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind www.nabslink.org elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com 563-210-1854 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NABS Notes_December 2020.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 24033 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hope.paulos at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 20:52:26 2020 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 15:52:26 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Contacting someone from NFB about unequal access when taking the MTEL's Message-ID: <814EC9AD-B15F-4DC5-8DB8-4C9801AE325D@gmail.com> Hello all. I'm hoping someone can help me. I just graduated from Missouri State University with a Masters in teaching the blind and visually impaired. Upon receiving my Masters I was offered a job at the Carroll Center in Newton, Ma which I am very happy at. In order to obtain certification in Mass as a TVI, I need to take and pass the MTEL's. Currently they are offering an online version which people can take from home. According to the people at the MTEL office, these online tests basically don't allow access to our assistive tech like screen readers. I think they block them somehow. I was told that if I wanted to take the test I should go to a testing center because the computer based tests are not as restricted. I found out that Pearson Vue is the developers of the online (at home) testing platform. I am unable to go to a testing center (and frankly I shouldn't have to just because I use a screen reader). I'm wondering if someone here can point me in the right direction as to who to contact to see if Pearson Vue is indeed inaccessible and how we can help them become more so. I want to be able to take the test in my own home just like anybody else. The fact that this program supposedly blocks screen reading technology bothers me a bit. Any help you can provide would be very much appreciated. Hope Paulos From nspohn0 at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 21:29:34 2020 From: nspohn0 at gmail.com (nspohn0 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 16:29:34 -0500 Subject: [NABS-L] Contacting someone from NFB about unequal access when taking the MTEL's In-Reply-To: <814EC9AD-B15F-4DC5-8DB8-4C9801AE325D@gmail.com> References: <814EC9AD-B15F-4DC5-8DB8-4C9801AE325D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007401d6dfbc$09162420$1b426c60$@gmail.com> Hi Hope It may be worth expressing your concerns to Valerie Yingling. She is the Legal Program Coordinator of the NFB. She helped me and others with accommodation issues with AP Exams. I would email her and explain your situation and see what she says. Her email is: vyingling at nfb.org Regards, Nick Spohn -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L On Behalf Of Hope Paulos via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2020 3:52 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Hope Paulos Subject: [NABS-L] Contacting someone from NFB about unequal access when taking the MTEL's Hello all. I'm hoping someone can help me. I just graduated from Missouri State University with a Masters in teaching the blind and visually impaired. Upon receiving my Masters I was offered a job at the Carroll Center in Newton, Ma which I am very happy at. In order to obtain certification in Mass as a TVI, I need to take and pass the MTEL's. Currently they are offering an online version which people can take from home. According to the people at the MTEL office, these online tests basically don't allow access to our assistive tech like screen readers. I think they block them somehow. I was told that if I wanted to take the test I should go to a testing center because the computer based tests are not as restricted. I found out that Pearson Vue is the developers of the online (at home) testing platform. I am unable to go to a testing center (and frankly I shouldn't have to just because I use a screen reader). I'm wondering if someone here can point me in the right direction as to who to contact to see if Pearson Vue is indeed inaccessible and how we can help them become more so. I want to be able to take the test in my own home just like anybody else. The fact that this program supposedly blocks screen reading technology bothers me a bit. Any help you can provide would be very much appreciated. Hope Paulos _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nspohn0%40gmail.com