[nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 45, Issue 6

Garry and Joy Relton relton30857 at cox.net
Wed Dec 10 16:54:26 UTC 2008


Ok, I am not a seamstress but my mother-in-law is and made a liner for my
dog's coat for me. When I first brought my current guide, Belle home, her
soft yellow coat was pretty thin and it was the coldest winter we'd had in a
long time plus over 27 inches of snow. Poor Belle shivered at the bus stop
so I bought a rain coat from the pet store. Now, my description of it, for
those who haven't seen them. The rain coat is made of water proof material.
It has two "sleeves" for the front legs which are fastened around the area
above their paws with Velcro. The coat fastens on the back with Velcro as
well. The tail area has a draw string gathering under the chest just at the
beginning of the soft part of their stomach. On the top this velcroed area
goes all the way back and covers their tail but the pieces that Velcro
together there are analogous to tails on a tux so that the dog has movement.
I find that the velcroed fasteners fit well around the harness and always
put it on top of the harness. My mother-in-law, used this rain coat as a
template and created a liner for the rain coat out of fleece. The "arms" are
shorter than the ones on the raincoat and are sewn rather than fastening
them with Velcro due to the bulk which would have been created. Around the
neck, rather than the Velcro, she sewed darts to taylor it to fit Belle's
neck. Under the tummy she used a soft elastic to gather the garment. Once
again the Velcro goes down the full length of the liner to cover the back
but not as far out as the rain coat. The rain coat has a hood which velcroes
to the coat and around and under her neck. She doesn't like the hood, so I
usually take it off since it is attached with Velcro but I do know that it
helps if we have to stand in the rain for any length of time. It makes the
travel much more comfortable for the dog and pleasant for those riding in
the car, train or elevator with you and your dog. By the way, Belle's is
blue to match her little blue boots she wears in the ice or on hot days. I
would never put my professional guide in a knitted sweater because it would
remind me of the snooty poodles I have seen sporting them. By the way, it is
also possible to buy insolated coats for the dogs which I would buy if I
lived in an area where there was a lot of cold and wind. The pet stores
carry them as well and the same velcro fasteners allow you to put them on
after the harness and bring them through the handle and fasten easily around
the harness handle. The design allows you to work and take the coat off once
you are in the warmth with vary little effort.

On another note, I remember attending a ball game once when a man asked me
if he could give my dog his pickle. I said that I did not feed my dog people
food and besides she probably wouldn't eat it. His response was "well, she
ate the first one". I could have died. The dog wasn't affected. I think that
the best thing to remember about dogs is that there digestive system is
basically the same as the human one. Given that they weigh less than we do,
we should be careful about the quantity of anything. Also, dog food is
produced with the nutrients and balance they need. Having said that, all
four of my dogs have loved bananas. I had to give banana chips dipped in
syrup when we were testing my first dog to see if her spells were caused by
diabetes. My dogs have been known to scoop grapes off of the floor at the
grocery store, french fries off of the floor at the McDonalds and crumbs
from around my kids high chairs. In fact, I used a new command "living room"
so that the dogs knew that they had to leave the room so that the kids
couldn't hand them food from the table or high chair. The little
conspirators. A couple of my dogs have enjoyed the smell, and the taste of
wine, as I learned when the champaign cork blew off of the bottle and shot a
fountain all over our dorm room floor. The sweetness is as attractive to
them as anti freeze, but not as dangerous unless they consume a large
quantity of it. My favorite dog eating story is when my   dog was running
and playing in the yard at my parents house with me and went to the garden
and dug up and ate several large carrots, dirt and all. I was just sick at
the idea of what we were going to have to do. Fortunately, they passed
without any problem. After that Xilo got an occasional small carrot to eat,
from my hand, not the garden.      Just remember to watch your four-legged
partners consumption of chocolate, poinsettias and other Holiday goodies
during the season. Also remember to give them the exercise, affection and
time they deserve during this busy Holiday season. It's their pay check. In
fact, they deserve a bonus. 

Best wishes for a blessed Holiday season filled with love, memories, and not
too many goodies.

Joy and SEI Dog Belle.
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   1. Re: Fwd: you don't look blind and Born and raised in
      Connecticut (Julie J.)
   2. Re: skiing and guide dogs (Pickrell, Rebecca M.)
   3. Re: drinking dogs (Ed Meskys)
   4. Re: skiing trip info (eliza.l.cooper at gmail.com)
   5. On D.C.'s streets, blind injustice (Ginger Kutsch)
   6. Re: drinking dogs (Angie Matney)
   7. winter coats (Julie J.)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:40:51 -0600
From: "Julie J." <jlcrane at alltel.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fwd: you don't look blind and Born and raised in
	Connecticut
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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Mardi,

This message did come through earlier.  I remember reading it.  I'm not sure

why you're not getting all the messages.  Have you checked with your ISP to 
see if they have any ideas?

Sorry I'm not much help.
Julie


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mardi Hadfield" <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com>
To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:32 PM
Subject: [nagdu] Fwd: you don't look blind and Born and raised in 
Connecticut


> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Mardi Hadfield <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: you don't look blind and Born and raised in Connecticut
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> This post was sent on Nov. 28, but I guess it was not received so I am 
> sending it again
>
> Hi every one, Hope you all had a great Thanksgiving.Linda ,now that I
> think
> about it,you are right. I never met a blind person until I was 19. I 
> worked
> as an x ray tech, and the man who ran the films through the developing
> machine was blind.He was a cane user and his name was Ray. We became
> friends. When I worked in another Hospital as an x ray tech. There was a
> blind lady,her name was Helen, she also worked in the dark room.Also a 
> cane
> user,I would help her out to the bus stop. Not one of the other employes
> wanted to help her because she wanted to hold on to their arm. I thought
> this was very odd as I did not mind her holding on to my arm. It was just 
> a
> way to help her. I guess some people are just weird!I don't know,but maybe
> they thought they could " catch " her blindness?   Both of these people 
> were
> pretty normal looking to me. Be fore I ever met a blind person, I don't
> think I thought about blind people at all. I have some residual vision, 
> but
> it is not very helpful. I can see things if they are magnified and very
> close,but every thing I see is doubled and blured and hazy. I have no
> periferal vision. I am diagnosed with Cortical Vision Impairment, Macular
> Degeneration,and Early Cateracts.I am light sensitive so when I am out 
> side
> I use dark glasses,and keep my eyes closed.At night,I see lights and not
> much more than that.      Ted, I was born and raised in Stamford Ct.Left
> there in 1983,to come to Tucson Az. I like the weather better here but
> ......................................... Have a great day, Mardi and
> Nala,retired, Wanagi,gdit,and Tokala,gd at home, and part time pet.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:23:39 -0500
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] skiing and guide dogs
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Is this for families or only adults? 
It might be a great family outing, though I can't tell if it is more of
an adult gathering. 
Anybody know? 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of MS S TILLETT
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:49 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] skiing and guide dogs

Hi Marcia, 

You don't have to go with anyone, and they will asign you a guide.
Occationally we have to share guides a bit but it has always worked out.
This year we have more guides than VIPs signed up.  

I'm going Tyesday through Saturday this year, not the whole week, but I
think the whole weeek is $560, but I would have to have someone look on
the application.  

You are in NYC?  It would be fun to have you come.  It is always nice to
have new people.  

Sue, and Wonder
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Marsha
  To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [nagdu] skiing and guide dogs


  What does something like this cost? Do you have to go with a
  mate/boyfriend/girlfriend/spouse? 
  Thanks for the info!
  Marsha


  -----Original Message-----
  From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
  Of MS S TILLETT
  Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:57 AM
  To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
  Subject: [nagdu] skiing and guide dogs

  I have been going to the Land of the Vikings regional ski for light
program
  in Sherman Pa, and it is really a wonderful place and a lot of fun.
They
  don't want the dogs out where folks are skiing but they do welcom dogs
who
  are okay staying in the room while you are skiing.  

  It is a very rustic lodge and the rooms are small.  It has a really
nice
  livingroom with a round fireplace with couches and chairs all around
it.  It
  is laidback and relaxed.  

  This year we have more guides signed up than vips, so I thought I
would
  write to urge some of you to come.  It is the last week of January I
think
  from Sunday the 25th to Sunday February 1st.  You can fly, or take a
bus to
  Binghamton New York, which is about 45 minutes away, and someone will
pick
  you up.  Some of us do a shorter version from Wednesday to Sunday and
they
  will do pickups on Sunday and Wednesday.  

  If we don't have snow we hike.  It is so quiet and peaceful, the food
is
  wonderful, and at night we play board and card games, and some of us
bring
  instruments.  My friend who comes as a guide, plays piano and
accordian and
  folks like to sing around the piano.  I decided to learn to knit this
year
  so that I can sit by the fire and knit.  

  Anyway, it is good fun, not clicky, and everyone wants to get to know
  everyone and is friendly.  You can call me at 609-924-7489, or
she-mail me
  at
  suetillett at verizon.net 

  I hope one or more of you will join us.  

  Sue, and Wonder 
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Angie Matney 
    To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
    Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 6:44 PM
    Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people


    Hi Marsha,

    Yes, it does make sense. I know it can be hard to get past the guilt
of
  retirement. My first dog retired and 9.5, and I had to deal with guilt
from
  that, since, after all, some people's dogs work untill they're 11 oar
so.

    Anyway...it's hard to move past that, but you can trust your own
judgment.
  If you're just not sure, try to imagine what an instructor would say.
And
  even if you happen to make a mistake at any point, it's not the place
of
  your friends to tell you how to 
    handle the dog. Putting a dog on tiedown or in a crate is not abuse.

    Best,

    Angie



    On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:13:40 -0500, Marsha wrote:

    >Oh I know that SE would have told them that if the dog is working
well,
  if
    >they are being fed and parked, and seem to be happy then whatever.
It
  just
    >seems I have run into this much more here than any where else. I
should
  make
    >up SE cards and hand them to a person when they try to do this to
me. 

    >But I guess as a good handler, I say good because I think I am very
good
    >with my puppy, that when ever people say something to me it makes
me feel
    >guilty. It makes me question what I am doing, how I am doing it,
and so
  on.
    >I just do not want to be wrong, I am on my second guide, and the
first
  was
    >retired, and yes there is a lot of guilt there. I just want to be
doing
  the
    >best. So for me it is a fine line between being right knowing what
I am
    >doing right is really right for me and then defending what is
right. I do
    >not know if that makes any sense? 
    >Marsha 





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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:08:37 -0500
From: "Ed Meskys" <edmeskys at localnet.com>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] drinking dogs
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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When I was still sighted we had a blind student with dog at the college
where I was teaching. At dorm parties the students would get her guide dog
drunk, and her boy friend had to help her carry her dog back to her dorm
room. When I heard of this, I thought it was very wrong of her fellow
students to do this to her dog, and for her to allow it.

When a sighted friend was a teenager her father would put down a half
finished beer while doing farm chores, and find it empty when he came back.
He accused her of taking it, but she was innocent. Finally they caught their
horse picking the can up with his mouth, tilting his head back, and drinking
the beer. Ed Meskys


Edmund R. Meskys
NIEKAS Publications
National Federation of the Blind of N.H.
Moultonboro Lions Club
edmeskys at localnet.com
322 Whittier Hwy
Moultonboro NH 03254-3627
my credo:
Clinton lied, nothing happened
Bush lied, thousands died
and over 3,000 permanently brain injured




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:18:45 -0500
From: eliza.l.cooper at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nagdu] skiing trip info
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
	<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Message-ID:
	<96774e320812040718w380337d0jc709cd630023cf18 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

What's the deadline for signing up?  I'm job hunting at the moment and
am not sure yet if I'll be employed.
   Thanks,
   Eliza

On 12/3/08, MS S TILLETT <suetillett at verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi Marcia,
>
> You don't have to go with anyone, and they will asign you a guide.
> Occationally we have to share guides a bit but it has always worked out.
> This year we have more guides than VIPs signed up.
>
> I'm going Tyesday through Saturday this year, not the whole week, but I
> think the whole weeek is $560, but I would have to have someone look on
the
> application.
>
> You are in NYC?  It would be fun to have you come.  It is always nice to
> have new people.
>
> Sue, and Wonder
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Marsha
>   To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>   Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:00 PM
>   Subject: Re: [nagdu] skiing and guide dogs
>
>
>   What does something like this cost? Do you have to go with a
>   mate/boyfriend/girlfriend/spouse?
>   Thanks for the info!
>   Marsha
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
>   Of MS S TILLETT
>   Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:57 AM
>   To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>   Subject: [nagdu] skiing and guide dogs
>
>   I have been going to the Land of the Vikings regional ski for light
> program
>   in Sherman Pa, and it is really a wonderful place and a lot of fun.
They
>   don't want the dogs out where folks are skiing but they do welcom dogs
who
>   are okay staying in the room while you are skiing.
>
>   It is a very rustic lodge and the rooms are small.  It has a really nice
>   livingroom with a round fireplace with couches and chairs all around it.
> It
>   is laidback and relaxed.
>
>   This year we have more guides signed up than vips, so I thought I would
>   write to urge some of you to come.  It is the last week of January I
think
>   from Sunday the 25th to Sunday February 1st.  You can fly, or take a bus
> to
>   Binghamton New York, which is about 45 minutes away, and someone will
pick
>   you up.  Some of us do a shorter version from Wednesday to Sunday and
they
>   will do pickups on Sunday and Wednesday.
>
>   If we don't have snow we hike.  It is so quiet and peaceful, the food is
>   wonderful, and at night we play board and card games, and some of us
bring
>   instruments.  My friend who comes as a guide, plays piano and accordian
> and
>   folks like to sing around the piano.  I decided to learn to knit this
year
>   so that I can sit by the fire and knit.
>
>   Anyway, it is good fun, not clicky, and everyone wants to get to know
>   everyone and is friendly.  You can call me at 609-924-7489, or she-mail
me
>   at
>   suetillett at verizon.net
>
>   I hope one or more of you will join us.
>
>   Sue, and Wonder
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Angie Matney
>     To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>     Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 6:44 PM
>     Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
>
>
>     Hi Marsha,
>
>     Yes, it does make sense. I know it can be hard to get past the guilt
of
>   retirement. My first dog retired and 9.5, and I had to deal with guilt
> from
>   that, since, after all, some people's dogs work untill they're 11 oar
so.
>
>     Anyway...it's hard to move past that, but you can trust your own
> judgment.
>   If you're just not sure, try to imagine what an instructor would say.
And
>   even if you happen to make a mistake at any point, it's not the place of
>   your friends to tell you how to
>     handle the dog. Putting a dog on tiedown or in a crate is not abuse.
>
>     Best,
>
>     Angie
>
>
>
>     On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:13:40 -0500, Marsha wrote:
>
>     >Oh I know that SE would have told them that if the dog is working
well,
>   if
>     >they are being fed and parked, and seem to be happy then whatever. It
>   just
>     >seems I have run into this much more here than any where else. I
should
>   make
>     >up SE cards and hand them to a person when they try to do this to me.
>
>     >But I guess as a good handler, I say good because I think I am very
> good
>     >with my puppy, that when ever people say something to me it makes me
> feel
>     >guilty. It makes me question what I am doing, how I am doing it, and
so
>   on.
>     >I just do not want to be wrong, I am on my second guide, and the
first
>   was
>     >retired, and yes there is a lot of guilt there. I just want to be
doing
>   the
>     >best. So for me it is a fine line between being right knowing what I
am
>     >doing right is really right for me and then defending what is right.
I
> do
>     >not know if that makes any sense?
>     >Marsha
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:25:08 -0500
From: "Ginger Kutsch" <gingerkutsch at yahoo.com>
Subject: [nagdu] On D.C.'s streets, blind injustice
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On D.C.'s Streets, Blind Injustice
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/03/AR2008120303
752.html  
Jim Dickson, with his 3-year-old black Lab, Pearson, says he and others with
guide dogs or wheelchairs often have trouble getting cabdrivers to stop for
them in the District. (By John Kelly -- The Washington Post) 

By John Kelly
Thursday, December 4, 2008; Page B03 
The Washington Post
Jim Dickson had the feeling empty cabs were zipping past him without
stopping as he stood at 17th and L streets NW the week before last, his hand
raised for a taxi. He didn't know for sure, though. Jim is blind. Standing
next to him was his 3-year-old black Lab guide dog, Pearson. 

I watched for a few minutes as taxis -- their rooftop lights lighted, their
back seats vacant -- ignored Jim and Pearson, then I walked up and suggested
he might have better luck at the Mayflower Hotel's cabstand. 

"This is not a unique experience to me," Jim said. "People with guide dogs
and people with wheelchairs complain all the time about cabs refusing to
take them." 

That seemed pretty cold -- refusing to stop for a disabled person? -- but
then we got to the Mayflower. There were no cabs at that moment, but
National Cab No. 64 soon pulled up and disgorged a passenger. The hotel
doorman held the door for Jim and Pearson, but when the cabdriver saw them,
he started shouting. The cab rolled forward a few inches, the door still
open. Then the driver got out and started swearing at the doorman. After the
door was shut, he got back behind the wheel and drove off. 

The doorman was as disgusted as I was. Jim took the next cab. 

A few days later, I spoke with Jim, who is vice president of government
affairs for the American Association of People with Disabilities. Lots of
drivers don't like dogs and won't stop, he said. "The only place it doesn't
happen is up on Capitol Hill," said Jim, 62. "I usually get a Capitol
policeman to flag the cab for me." 

Mario Bonds, a 21-year-old student from Bowie who travels with his black
Lab, Sydney, said the same thing. He often needs a cab at the New Carrollton
Metro station. "I've felt quite stupid standing there for a long time, when
a regular sighted person says, 'There's plenty of cabs here. I don't know
what these guys are doing.' " 

George Merriweather said it was so hard to get a cab for him and his
standard poodle guide dog, Gambit, that he stopped coming into the District
from Olney for doctor's appointments. "They're hard on blind people," said
George, 61. "Especially if you've got a dog, you don't get in a cab." 

Why wouldn't a cabdriver stop for a blind person with a dog? Some might be
concerned that dogs would make the vehicle dirty, though Jim makes Pearson
sit on the floor and on wet days carries paper towels to wipe the seat. Some
might be allergic, though Jim said that if so, they're supposed to have a
doctor's letter on file. Jim and Mario said some drivers have told them it's
against their religion to have a dog in the car. Could that be true? 

Some Muslims believe that dogs are unclean, said Abdullahi An-Na'im, a
professor at Emory University who specializes in Islamic law, but this is
more a cultural notion than a religious one. He said nothing in the Koran
stipulates that dogs must be avoided. What's more, two Islamic tenets would
override any reluctance to take a guide dog: the imperative of being helpful
to someone in need, and what's known as darura, or necessity. If you're
blind and need a dog, darura means that's okay. The same goes when you're a
taxi driver who encounters blind passengers. 


Said the professor: "I don't think that's acceptable for a Muslim" not to
take a service animal in his cab. 

The Big Apple solved this problem nine years ago with an awareness campaign
and an undercover sting operation, said Allan Fromberg of New York's Taxi
and Limousine Commission. Plainclothes officers and guide dogs were used to
catch drivers who wouldn't stop. 

tent that you post. 

Who's Blogging? Links to this article  
When I called Leon Swain, chairman of the D.C. Taxicab Commission, and told
him what I'd heard from visually impaired people, he was furious. "That's
something that I have zero tolerance on," he said. "If you have a bona fide
service animal, you need to be transported to the location." He invited Jim
to file a complaint and has set up a meeting between cab company owners, the
Columbia Lighthouse for the Blind and other local disability rights groups. 

I asked the owner of National Cab Co., Balwinder Singh, to look into what I
saw. He said the driver of No. 64 told him that he already had a passenger
in his cab (an invisible one, I guess). "It's hard to prove for me," Singh
said. "I'm telling you what he told me." He said licensed drivers "should be
picking up whoever comes next" -- blind people and their dogs included. 

Anyone can see that -- and every time I take a cab in the future I'll be
reminding the driver of that fact. 



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:58:33 -0500
From: "Angie Matney" <leadinglabbie at mpmail.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] drinking dogs
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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People have asked if I have ever given my dogs anything alcoholic to drink.
I tell them that I don't want the dog to get arrested for gUI. Pretty silly,
I know.

Angie








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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:12:26 -0600
From: "Julie J." <jlcrane at alltel.net>
Subject: [nagdu] winter coats
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas where I can get a winter coat  that
will fit over the guide harness?

I've got an insulated coat that has to be worn under the harness, but that
doesn't work out so well.  the harness doesn't fit as well.  also I have to
adjust the size every time I change from coat to no coat. It's going to be a
major pain to have to take off the harness, the coat and then back on with
the harness after changing the size if we would need to go from outside to
inside.  

I did make a sweater that will fit over the harness, but it is very bulky,
catches on my pantleg and isn't very effective when it's windy.

I'm thinking of altering the first coat so it can be worn over the harness,
but I've never done something like that before.  I'd be interested in any
sewing tips anyone might be able to offer.  I don't want to ruin the coat.

Or is there some easier solution that I'm missing entirely?  and no one had
better say move to a warmer climate! *smile*


Thanks much!
Julie

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