[nagdu] Visitor guides

Thu Dec 11 01:13:02 UTC 2008

When I had this problem at my church the Seeing Eye has a wonderful poster
as well as a letter they send home with you to share with your family. I put
the poster up in a couple of locations at the church. It explains that
petting is a distraction and nicely tells people that they should not do
this. WE also made an announcement in the choir where my husband and I sing.
My husband told them to pretend my dog was furniture and not to touch or
talk to her. They laughed but they don't pet or talk to her and she is
better about visiting. When my kids were in kindergarten I came to talk to
their class and explained about dog guides and why they are working dogs and
should not be petted, talked to and otherwise distracted. These young adults
still remember those visits when I see them. In addition, they tell others
when they notice someone trying to pet. By far the majority of the people do
these out of ignorance, not malaise. WE all have bad days and can get a
little testy, including the ones you ask not to pet. I often say, about my
exuberant and loving lab, as she occasionally tries for a pat, "she's only
human.

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Today's Topics:

   1. just say "no" (petting dog) (Bunny Davidson)
   2. Re: article warning disabled of scammers claiming they can
      register your dog (Pickrell, Rebecca M. (TASCSD))
   3. Re: visiting (dmgina)
   4. Re: visiting (dmgina)
   5. Re: visiting (dmgina)
   6. Re: just say "no" (petting dog) (wcmerritt at gmail.com)
   7. Re: just say "no" (petting dog) ( Hope Paulos)
   8. Re: just say "no" (petting dog) (Jeffrey Schwartz)
   9. Re: visiting (sblanjones11)
  10. Re: just say "no" (petting dog) (Lora and Myrtle)
  11. Re: visiting ( Hope Paulos)
  12. Re: just say "no" (petting dog) (the Pawpower Pack)
  13. FW: Rationalizations & Reasons Why Folks Don't Ask	Permission
      to Pet Your Guide (AnnaLisa Anderson)
  14. Re: FW: Rationalizations & Reasons Why Folks Don't Ask
      Permission to Pet Your Guide (Laurie Mehta)
  15. people petting our dogs without permission (Stepper)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:21:25 -0500
From: Bunny Davidson <bunnydavidson at live.com>
Subject: [nagdu] just say "no" (petting dog)
To: National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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It always amazes me that people will pass me in a shop, a sidewalk or
somewhere else public as i am walking with my dog in her gear (her vest says
on both sides, service dog-do not pet) these folks (most of them) dont even
acknowlege me, but they talk all mushy and cutesy to my dog, sometimes even
wistelling and calling her ... and lots of them pet her in spite of the
patch saying not to.

I finally started telling them "Excuse me , but did you know my dog is
WORKING and I am disabled? Please realize that any form of distraction puts
my life /health in danger and i would appreciate it if you would please
ignore my service dog so she can do her job. thanks"

then most say "oh, okay" and are pleasant as they go away...once in a while
someone acts all nasty, like they are entitled to do whatever they want
regardless, but that is rare.... I think the key for me is to use a nice
tone of voice but be firm in my position.  

a couple times after having a very bad day i have had a snotty tone in
stating my case, and got snotty replies! lol...

(patience, something I need in my christmas stocking!)

hugs 2uall,
bunny

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:27:13 -0500
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M. (TASCSD)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] article warning disabled of scammers claiming
	they can	register your dog
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You didn't send the article. 
Can you? 
I wonder though, the same tools a disabled person would use to avoid a scam
are the same a nondisabled person would. 
So, I'm curious to see the article, because I can't believe there's much of
a story here. 

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To: National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: [nagdu] article warning disabled of scammers claiming they can
register your dog

i came accross this article when surfing the net.

the title sound aweful, but dont let the title anger you, read it- it is
meant to help disabled avoid scammers.

hugs,
bunny &
co.http://healthierdogs.com/dog_training/how-to-register-a-service-dog-o
r-how-to-scam-the-disabled/
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:30:59 -0700
From: "dmgina" <dmgina at qwest.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] visiting
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Hi there,
I did speak with the Deacon and he said he would handle it.
I hope so.
Thanks so much.

--Dar
www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
Every saint has a past
every sinner has a future

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Danie" <pumpkin4byron at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] visiting

> Dar, sometimes you might have to heel the dog away or do some 
> obedience
> exercises to refocus. You could also remove the offender's hand firmly and

> state that he will not be petted without your permission. Perhaps, you 
> could write an article in the church bulletin or newsletter. HTH, Danie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "dmgina" <dmgina at qwest.net>
> To: "NFBnet NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 6:13 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] visiting
>
>
>> Hi folks,
>> My golden is a visitor.
>> the problem is, he doesn't know his work from play.
>> so when you are friendly to folks at church and say hi, this gives 
>> them
>> the reason to pet the dog.
>> they don't ask, just gives them the reason.
>> ok when you give your dog the command outside, that is what you want.
>> Not after fifty pets.
>> I need a tip on how to get the dog back on track of his job.
>> and leaving folks alone.
>> when he looses it, I feel I am not safe.
>> this has to stop.
>> I never said pet the dog because I say hi to  you.
>> How do you handle the matter.
>> Thanks,
>> I will not stop and take the harness off for pets I don't feel I need to 
>> do that.
>>
>>
>> --Dar
>> www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
>> Every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:35:06 -0700
From: "dmgina" <dmgina at qwest.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] visiting
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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the reason why I wont take off the harness is this is after mass trying to 
leave the church.
You don't want to be in the way.
I give a command and I will get it followed threw.
the deacon will see what he can do.
I shared that it could ruin the dog.
Our team work is special.

--Dar
www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
Every saint has a past
every sinner has a future

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>; <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] visiting

> Hi there.  I'm by no means an expert, and I think you've been a 
> handler
> for much longer than I have, smile, but I had the same problem.  If the 
> dog is going up to people in harness, don't let him be like petted in 
> harness.  If people want to pet him, take the harness off.  I know you say

> you don't feel you need to do this, but it seems that, like you say, he 
> isn't able to distinguish between work and play.  Work means harness on 
> and  all business.  Play, obviously is harness off and people can pet.  I 
> started doing that and things have gotten much better.  When someone 
> reaches down to pet my dog, even if we're just standing there and she's in

> harness, she'll switch to my right side to get away from the people.  She 
> will not do this when walking, she'll just keep on going to her 
> destination.
> Hope and Beignet
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "dmgina" <dmgina at qwest.net
>>To: "NFBnet NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
> Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:13:41 -0700
>>Subject: [nagdu] visiting
>
>>Hi folks,
>>My golden is a visitor.
>>the problem is, he doesn't know his work from play.
>>so when you are friendly to folks at church and say hi, this
> gives them the
>>reason to pet the dog.
>>they don't ask, just gives them the reason.
>>ok when you give your dog the command outside, that is what you
> want.
>>Not after fifty pets.
>>I need a tip on how to get the dog back on track of his job. and 
>>leaving folks alone. when he looses it, I feel I am not safe.
>>this has to stop.
>>I never said pet the dog because I say hi to  you.
>>How do you handle the matter.
>>Thanks,
>>I will not stop and take the harness off for pets I don't feel I
> need to do
>>that.
>
>
>>--Dar
>>www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
>>Every saint has a past
>>every sinner has a future
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:36:13 -0700
From: "dmgina" <dmgina at qwest.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] visiting
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Yes I have done both as well.
I just put this forth to see how folks handle the matter, getting tips is 
good.

--Dar
www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
Every saint has a past
every sinner has a future

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kolby Garrison" <kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] visiting

> Hello Dar,
> I experience people wanting to pet Sunny all the time, especially on a 
> College campus. I ask them not to pet my dog because she is working, 
> and if they continue to ignore my request I attempt walking away. If 
> Sunny takes the initiative and goes over to someone because they are 
> visually signaling
> to her to come over to them, I correct her and we are usually able to keep
> going. Part of your boy's visiting may be initiated by him as well as 
> other
> people, so you may need to correct depending on if it is his fault or not.

> I
> can tell if Sunny made the decision to initiate contact if she suddenly
> deviates from our path, or if she stops to sniff a person. In these cases 
> I
> correct her firmly with a verbal no or leave it, and a firm leash
> correction.
> Kolby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of dmgina
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:14 PM
> To: NFBnet NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users
> Subject: [nagdu] visiting
>
> Hi folks,
> My golden is a visitor.
> the problem is, he doesn't know his work from play.
> so when you are friendly to folks at church and say hi, this gives 
> them
> the
> reason to pet the dog.
> they don't ask, just gives them the reason.
> ok when you give your dog the command outside, that is what you want.
> Not after fifty pets.
> I need a tip on how to get the dog back on track of his job.
> and leaving folks alone.
> when he looses it, I feel I am not safe.
> this has to stop.
> I never said pet the dog because I say hi to  you.
> How do you handle the matter.
> Thanks,
> I will not stop and take the harness off for pets I don't feel I need to 
> do
> that.
>
>
> --Dar
> www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
> Every saint has a past
> every sinner has a future
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:52:51 -0600
From: wcmerritt at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nagdu] just say "no" (petting dog)
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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I have an alternate name for my guide. Her real name is Gucci, but her other
name, that I tell people when she's working and they just want to know her
name, is the word Secret. This came about from something I said at the
training center I work at, and now everyone at the center calls her Secret.
The name has grown on me, mainly because it sounds nothing like her real
name. I'll still say to some that I can't give her name out because she's
working and I don't want her to be distracted, but more often than not, when
I'm asked what her name is, I'll respond with, "Secret." It's kind of funny
to get the reaction from people; some say, "Oh, okay, hi Secret." While
others misunderstand me. At a convention not long ago, someone asked in a
crowded and loud elevator, so the name he heard was Sedrick, which I still
agreed to. As for Gucci though, she doesn't pay any attention to the person
if they say Secret, which is how it should be.

Wayne

On 12/8/08, Bunny Davidson <bunnydavidson at live.com> wrote:
>
> It always amazes me that people will pass me in a shop, a sidewalk or 
> somewhere else public as i am walking with my dog in her gear (her 
> vest says on both sides, service dog-do not pet)
> these folks (most of them) dont even acknowlege me, but they talk all
mushy
> and cutesy to my dog,
> sometimes even wistelling and calling her ... and lots of them pet her in
> spite of the patch saying not to.
>
> I finally started telling them "Excuse me , but did you know my dog is 
> WORKING and I am disabled? Please realize that any form of distraction 
> puts my life /health in danger and i would appreciate it if you would 
> please ignore my service dog so she can do her job. thanks"
>
> then most say "oh, okay" and are pleasant as they go away...once in a 
> while someone acts all nasty, like they are entitled to do whatever 
> they want regardless, but that is rare.... I think the key for me is 
> to use a nice tone of voice but be firm in my position.
>
> a couple times after having a very bad day i have had a snotty tone in 
> stating my case, and got snotty replies! lol...
>
> (patience, something I need in my christmas stocking!)
>
> hugs 2uall,
> bunny
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:24:02 -0500
From: " Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] just say "no" (petting dog)
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I also use an alternate name for my guide. I speak Spanish fluently and was
trying to come up with a cool aliaas. Her real name is: Beignet and her
alternate name is Chica. I too learned this from the trainer I had at
Fidelco.

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Behalf Of wcmerritt at gmail.com
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 4:53 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] just say "no" (petting dog)

I have an alternate name for my guide. Her real name is Gucci, but her other
name, that I tell people when she's working and they just want to know her
name, is the word Secret. This came about from something I said at the
training center I work at, and now everyone at the center calls her Secret.
The name has grown on me, mainly because it sounds nothing like her real
name. I'll still say to some that I can't give her name out because she's
working and I don't want her to be distracted, but more often than not, when
I'm asked what her name is, I'll respond with, "Secret." It's kind of funny
to get the reaction from people; some say, "Oh, okay, hi Secret." While
others misunderstand me. At a convention not long ago, someone asked in a
crowded and loud elevator, so the name he heard was Sedrick, which I still
agreed to. As for Gucci though, she doesn't pay any attention to the person
if they say Secret, which is how it should be.

Wayne

On 12/8/08, Bunny Davidson <bunnydavidson at live.com> wrote:
>
> It always amazes me that people will pass me in a shop, a sidewalk or 
> somewhere else public as i am walking with my dog in her gear (her 
> vest says on both sides, service dog-do not pet)
> these folks (most of them) dont even acknowlege me, but they talk all
mushy
> and cutesy to my dog,
> sometimes even wistelling and calling her ... and lots of them pet her 
> in spite of the patch saying not to.
>
> I finally started telling them "Excuse me , but did you know my dog is 
> WORKING and I am disabled? Please realize that any form of distraction 
> puts my life /health in danger and i would appreciate it if you would 
> please ignore my service dog so she can do her job. thanks"
>
> then most say "oh, okay" and are pleasant as they go away...once in a
while
> someone acts all nasty, like they are entitled to do
> whatever they want regardless, but that is rare....
> I think the key for me is to use a nice tone of voice but be firm in 
> my position.
>
> a couple times after having a very bad day i have had a snotty tone in 
> stating my case, and got snotty replies! lol...
>
> (patience, something I need in my christmas stocking!)
>
> hugs 2uall,
> bunny
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:00:11 -0500
From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] just say "no" (petting dog)
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
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I love the ones who come up to me and say, "I know that you're not supposed
to pet them but...." and then start to pet the dog, while telling you about
their dog and how much they love dogs, as if this makes them special and
exempt from the rule.

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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of wcmerritt at gmail.com
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 4:53 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] just say "no" (petting dog)

I have an alternate name for my guide. Her real name is Gucci, but her other
name, that I tell people when she's working and they just want to know her
name, is the word Secret. This came about from something I said at the
training center I work at, and now everyone at the center calls her Secret.
The name has grown on me, mainly because it sounds nothing like her real
name. I'll still say to some that I can't give her name out because she's
working and I don't want her to be distracted, but more often than not, when
I'm asked what her name is, I'll respond with, "Secret." It's kind of funny
to get the reaction from people; some say, "Oh, okay, hi Secret." While
others misunderstand me. At a convention not long ago, someone asked in a
crowded and loud elevator, so the name he heard was Sedrick, which I still
agreed to. As for Gucci though, she doesn't pay any attention to the person
if they say Secret, which is how it should be.

Wayne

On 12/8/08, Bunny Davidson <bunnydavidson at live.com> wrote:
>
> It always amazes me that people will pass me in a shop, a sidewalk or 
> somewhere else public as i am walking with my dog in her gear (her 
> vest says on both sides, service dog-do not pet)
> these folks (most of them) dont even acknowlege me, but they talk all
mushy
> and cutesy to my dog,
> sometimes even wistelling and calling her ... and lots of them pet her 
> in spite of the patch saying not to.
>
> I finally started telling them "Excuse me , but did you know my dog is 
> WORKING and I am disabled? Please realize that any form of distraction 
> puts my life /health in danger and i would appreciate it if you would 
> please ignore my service dog so she can do her job. thanks"
>
> then most say "oh, okay" and are pleasant as they go away...once in a
while
> someone acts all nasty, like they are entitled to do
> whatever they want regardless, but that is rare....
> I think the key for me is to use a nice tone of voice but be firm in 
> my position.
>
> a couple times after having a very bad day i have had a snotty tone in 
> stating my case, and got snotty replies! lol...
>
> (patience, something I need in my christmas stocking!)
>
> hugs 2uall,
> bunny
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:45:06 -0500
From: "sblanjones11" <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] visiting
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
	Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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Dar,
I think your best defense against unwarranted visiting is to go on the
offensive (not to offend) and write a nice article for your church's
bulletin or newsletter. Many people are likely ignorant of working guide
dogs, and the information would be interesting and helpful, as well as
reinforce the fact that people are not to reach out and touch her, or
distract her in any way, without your permission. In addition, you might ask
the church school teachers if you could visit the children's classes and
talk to them about your life with your guide dog. If the children are on
alert, they will keep the adults in line. HTH. Blessings, Susan & Rhoda

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:54:16 -0700
From: "Lora and Myrtle" <blindhistory at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] just say "no" (petting dog)
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Saying no doesn't work and neither does the sign in my situations. I have to
physically grab their arm and take it away from my service dog annoying.
sigh

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Bunny Davidson
<bunnydavidson at live.com>wrote:

>
> It always amazes me that people will pass me in a shop, a sidewalk or 
> somewhere else public as i am walking with my dog in her gear (her 
> vest says on both sides, service dog-do not pet)
> these folks (most of them) dont even acknowlege me, but they talk all
mushy
> and cutesy to my dog,
> sometimes even wistelling and calling her ... and lots of them pet her in
> spite of the patch saying not to.
>
> I finally started telling them "Excuse me , but did you know my dog is 
> WORKING and I am disabled? Please realize that any form of distraction 
> puts my life /health in danger and i would appreciate it if you would 
> please ignore my service dog so she can do her job. thanks"
>
> then most say "oh, okay" and are pleasant as they go away...once in a 
> while someone acts all nasty, like they are entitled to do whatever 
> they want regardless, but that is rare.... I think the key for me is 
> to use a nice tone of voice but be firm in my position.
>
> a couple times after having a very bad day i have had a snotty tone in 
> stating my case, and got snotty replies! lol...
>
> (patience, something I need in my christmas stocking!)
>
> hugs 2uall,
> bunny
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:20:33 -0500
From: " Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] visiting
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Agreed and now that I understand your reasoning i definitely agree with you.
Visiting is not a good thing. Perhaps, too, something I didn't think about
is that you could write up something in a newsletter, if the church has one.
You could even write it in the dog's point of view so as to be light-hearted
about it. Yes, it's a serious issue, but oftentimes people just don't
understand the rules.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of dmgina
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 4:35 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] visiting

the reason why I wont take off the harness is this is after mass trying to
leave the church. You don't want to be in the way. I give a command and I
will get it followed threw. the deacon will see what he can do. I shared
that it could ruin the dog. Our team work is special.

--Dar
www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
Every saint has a past
every sinner has a future

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>; <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] visiting

> Hi there.  I'm by no means an expert, and I think you've been a 
> handler for much longer than I have, smile, but I had the same 
> problem.  If the dog is going up to people in harness, don't let him 
> be like petted in harness.  If people want to pet him, take the 
> harness off.  I know you say you don't feel you need to do this, but 
> it seems that, like you say, he isn't able to distinguish between work 
> and play.  Work means harness on and  all business.  Play, obviously 
> is harness off and people can pet.  I started doing that and things 
> have gotten much better.  When someone reaches down to pet my dog, 
> even if we're just standing there and she's in harness, she'll switch 
> to my right side to get away from the people.  She will not do this 
> when walking, she'll just keep on going to her destination. Hope and 
> Beignet
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "dmgina" <dmgina at qwest.net
>>To: "NFBnet NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
> Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:13:41 -0700
>>Subject: [nagdu] visiting
>
>>Hi folks,
>>My golden is a visitor.
>>the problem is, he doesn't know his work from play.
>>so when you are friendly to folks at church and say hi, this
> gives them the
>>reason to pet the dog.
>>they don't ask, just gives them the reason.
>>ok when you give your dog the command outside, that is what you
> want.
>>Not after fifty pets.
>>I need a tip on how to get the dog back on track of his job. and 
>>leaving folks alone. when he looses it, I feel I am not safe.
>>this has to stop.
>>I never said pet the dog because I say hi to  you.
>>How do you handle the matter.
>>Thanks,
>>I will not stop and take the harness off for pets I don't feel I
> need to do
>>that.
>
>
>>--Dar
>>www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
>>Every saint has a past
>>every sinner has a future
>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:48:29 -0800
From: the Pawpower Pack <pawpower at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] just say "no" (petting dog)
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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I started training my current guide, Laveau in June.  One of the first  
things we did was to teach her to nudge my hand when people pet her.   
She was rewarded with very high value treats from me, and it also  
helped that she is very much a one-person pup strongly motivated by  
her stomach.

Now, when someone pets her and I haven't given the cue "go say hi" she  
will repeatedly nudge my left knee and ignore the other person.  It is  
not nearly as much fun to pet a dog if the dog ignores you flat out.

Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD and Laveau SDIT CGC
I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:41:03 -0600
From: "AnnaLisa Anderson" <annalisa at sector14.net>
Subject: [nagdu] FW: Rationalizations & Reasons Why Folks Don't Ask
	Permission to Pet Your Guide
To: "National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List"
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This is great and oh so true.  Thought I'd pass it on as it seems to be
relevant right now.  Enjoy.

AnnaLisa and Sundance the golden people magnet

> Rationalizations & Reasons Why Folks Don't Ask Permission to Pet Your
> Guide:
>
> 1. Since the person can't see it stands to reason they can't hear 
> either... so I'll just pet the cute doggie.
> 2. She's blind, she has no idea I'm here, if I speak it would scare her to
> death... so I'll just pet the cute doggie.
> 3. Blindness might be contagious... so I'll just pet the cute doggie.
> 4. Blind people don't understand the language... so I'll just pet the cute
> doggie.
> 5. Hey, I'm just stupid... so I'll just pet the cute doggie.
> 6. Look how that mean blind person is ignoring that dog, poor thing
> desperately needs some love... so I'll just pet the cute doggie.
> 7. I love dogs therefore I don't have to ask permission... so I'll just
> pet
> the cute doggie.
> 8. Heck, he's blind how will he know if I pet his dog... so I'll just pet
> the cute doggie.
> 9. If the blind person catches me petting their dog I'll just mumble some
> excuse... so I'll just pet the cute doggie.
> 10. Ask permissions? Why? I certainly don't need any one's permission to
> pet the cute doggie.
>
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:00:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Laurie Mehta <lauriemehta at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Rationalizations & Reasons Why Folks Don't
	Ask	Permission to Pet Your Guide
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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AnnaLisa, this was great! /lol/  
So sad, but so true.  /smile/ 
-Laurie

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, AnnaLisa Anderson <annalisa at sector14.net> wrote:

> From: AnnaLisa Anderson <annalisa at sector14.net>
> Subject: [nagdu] FW: Rationalizations & Reasons Why Folks Don't Ask 
> Permission to Pet Your Guide
> To: "National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 9:41 PM
> This is great and oh so true.  Thought I'd pass it on as
> it seems to be
> relevant right now.  Enjoy.
> 
> AnnaLisa and Sundance the golden people magnet
> 
> 
> > Rationalizations & Reasons Why Folks Don't Ask
> Permission to Pet Your
> > Guide:
> >
> > 1. Since the person can't see it stands to reason
> they can't hear
> > either...
> > so I'll just pet the cute doggie.
> > 2. She's blind, she has no idea I'm here, if I
> speak it would scare her to
> > death... so I'll just pet the cute doggie.
> > 3. Blindness might be contagious... so I'll just
> pet the cute doggie.
> > 4. Blind people don't understand the language...
> so I'll just pet the cute
> > doggie.
> > 5. Hey, I'm just stupid... so I'll just pet
> the cute doggie.
> > 6. Look how that mean blind person is ignoring that
> dog, poor thing
> > desperately needs some love... so I'll just pet
> the cute doggie.
> > 7. I love dogs therefore I don't have to ask
> permission... so I'll just
> > pet
> > the cute doggie.
> > 8. Heck, he's blind how will he know if I pet his
> dog... so I'll just pet
> > the cute doggie.
> > 9. If the blind person catches me petting their dog
> I'll just mumble some
> > excuse... so I'll just pet the cute doggie.
> > 10. Ask permissions? Why? I certainly don't need
> any one's permission to
> > pet the cute doggie.
> >
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:40:23 -0700
From: "Stepper" <stepper12 at cableone.net>
Subject: [nagdu] people petting our dogs without permission
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Hi to all.
I haven't had a dog for some time now. However I did have two guide dogs for
17 years. I tried the humor bit; I tried letting the public pet my dog; I
tried explaining why not; I even tried telling my life story sorta. I gave
up. This is what I did. When the  person I discover is either speaking or
trying to pet my dog or almost petting my dog then I do and say the
following. 1. First I heal my dog, then I stand up straight, facing the
direction that person is standing from me. 
2. I then hold my hand up and outward palm out with my elbow just a couple
of inches from my body, , in the world wide gesture for stop! At the same
time I say the following not harshly, but firmly. 
3. Please "Stop distracting my dog Now!so we can refocus on our work. thank
you. It worked very well for me. No big deal explanation, no story, just the
facts as it were. I found that I was very tired of explaining things and
wanted a way to get my point across, without taking a lot of time and
energy, and having to give information that the offender wouldn't remember
five minutes from the time they tried to pet my dog.

The body language of the well known signal for stop triggers something in
all of us when we hear someone that says firmly "Stop!" We do just that.
will Note, I took charge of the situation, instead of allowing them to
control the event, I took control, without being nasty, or defensive, and so
on. I tell them as little as possible. 
When I have time and if I feel like I want to talk then I will spend the
time and effort getting in to the details. But most of the time, this worked
very well. Most people will respond if they don't feel there not being
harshly spoken to, but they do respond pretty well if you take charge of the
person trying or petting your dog.

Thanks,
stepper

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