[nagdu] guide dog schools and dogs growling and barking

Fri Nov 14 18:39:04 UTC 2008

Dan, I would call Animal Control and let them know there are dogs running 
loose in your neighborhood and they can periodically go out and check out 
the situation.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie J." <jlcrane at alltel.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog schools and dogs growling and barking


>I think you are making a few assumptions that may not be available to Dan.
> 1. that he has sighted people available to assist with this sort of thing
> 2. that the dogs will be out when he has this sighted assistance
> 3.  that Dan cannot ID the dog/owner/location on his own
> 4.  that there is an animal control officer
> 5.  that the animal control officer will do his/her job and come out 
> immediately
> 6.  that the loose dog will still be out when the animal control officer 
> comes
> 7.  that having the dog picked up by animal control will have any sort of 
> long lasting effect on pet owners to leash/confine their animals
>
>
> It isn't a simple situation.  If it were we would not still have loose 
> dogs running amuck.
>
> Julie
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Danie and Eden" <pumpkin4byron at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog schools and dogs growling and barking
>
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>> Have someone accompany you sometimes and get an ID on the dogs. Then, 
>> call the animal shelter to have them picked up for violating the leash 
>> laws. It's as simple as that.
>>
>>
>> God's Blessings,
>> Danie
>>
>> I AM:
>> http://momof3bbp.livejournal.com
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 6:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog schools and dogs growling and barking
>>
>>
>>> Hi, guys,
>>>
>>> Dan W. with His royal goofiness, Carter, and retired Evan.
>>> This discussion brings up a question.
>>> What if anything can we do about the irresponsible people whose dogs run
>>> loose and jump on or otherwise cause problems to our guides when we 
>>> pass?
>>> In my neighborhood,   there are several houses I pass whose owners seem 
>>> to
>>> either be out with their dogs off leash (the dogs that is) or where the
>>> owners let there dogs loose in their front yard.
>>> At one place, the loose dog runs out at Carter and I believe, has jumped 
>>> on
>>> him.
>>> This is not only dangerous for me and my dog, but dangerous for their 
>>> dogs
>>> as they sometimes run out on to the road or to cross the street to get 
>>> to
>>> us.
>>>
>>> So, when I talk to the neighbors who call their dogs and explain I never 
>>> get
>>> any response that would indicate mending their ways.
>>>
>>> So, anything I can do or anything you guys have done other than avoiding 
>>> the
>>> area, or, as I'm tempted to do, euthanize the humans responsible for 
>>> these
>>> dogs--grin.
>>> Notice I said the humans will be put down, not the dogs--grin.
>>>
>>> I'm wringing my hands in frustration because I feel that one of these 
>>> days
>>> something serious will happen and Carter is my responsibility and don't 
>>> want
>>> him hurt in any way.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan W. and the happy hounds
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Lora and Myrtle
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:31 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog schools and dogs growling and barking
>>>
>>> It is good that we are having this topic because I have this problem 
>>> with my
>>> leader dog myrtle barking and growling at other dogs.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M. <
>>> Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> I read it as Cheryll having the problem but that was just my take on
>>>> the note.
>>>> Either way, this has been a good discussion, and I've enjoyed the 
>>>> topic.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Charlene Ota
>>>>  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:10 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog schools and dogs growling and barking
>>>>
>>>> Rebecca, I guess that comment was to address the possibility that
>>>> Cheryl might be wondering why someone retired their dog and she might
>>>> have hearad that it was due to barking and growling but didn't get any
>>>> details.
>>>> Sometimes we don't get the whole story and it might sound strange that
>>>> a dog is retired because of growling and barking. So we just don't
>>>> always have the whole story.  That's what I meant by that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M.
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:11 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog schools and dogs growling and barking
>>>>
>>>> Charleen wrote;
>>>> There's always that special situation that sounds so strange to the
>>>> rest of us, but when you look at it, sometimes it can't be helped.
>>>> Rebecca writes; Such as?
>>>> Can you provide some additional detail into the statement?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Charlene Ota
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:36 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog schools and dogs growling and barking
>>>>
>>>> My dog barks a little when someone comes in our yard or to the door
>>>> but that's about it.  Heavens!  I sure wouldn't retire the boy for
>>>> that for goodness sake!  (smile!)  Oh, and once at our local NFB
>>>> convention, in a little movie thing some dog barked and he did that
>>>> half bark thing maybe you call it a mumble/bark or something and I
>>>> told him to be quiet but that was it.  No big deal!
>>>>
>>>> On a more serious side of it, though, I think it is kind od
>>>> frustrating when dogs bark out in public, you know, the full on
>>>> barking at other dogs in restaurants and such.  I wish people would at
>>>> least attempt to control such behavior and I've seen some who do and
>>>> some who don't. I guess if it really gout out of hand and couldn't be
>>>> stopped it might be reason for a person to retire the dog because it
>>>> isn't good behavior out in public. It's something that would surely
>>>> have to be looked at in context. There's always that special situation
>>>> that sounds so strange to the rest of us, but when you look at it,
>>> sometimes it can't be helped.
>>>>
>>>> Charlene
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of craig.borne at dot.gov
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:41 AM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog schools and dogs growling and barking
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't it matter in what situation the dog growls or barks?  Ollie
>>>> may growl or bark at another dog, if that other dog is off leash and
>>>> in Ollie's face.  Under that set of circumstances, I can't say I blame
>>> him.
>>>>
>>>> Ollie is also in the habit of barking when our door bell rings or
>>>> someone knocks at our door (not when the same is done when we are
>>>> visiting others at their home).  At first, I tried to curb this
>>>> behavior, but then I came to the conclusion that I actually like him
>>>> alerting me to when someone is at the door.
>>>>
>>>> Barking and growling at someone or something on the other side of the
>>>> street or on leash is not a very good trait in a guide dog, but the
>>>> alternatives described above frankly do not bother me, regardless of
>>>> whether or not the dog school agrees.
>>>>
>>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>> Craig Borne
>>>> NHTSA/DOT
>>>> (202) 493-0627
>>>> craig.borne at dot.gov
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of cheryl echevarria
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:28 AM
>>>> To: nagdu
>>>> Cc: New York Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] guide dog schools and dogs growling and barking
>>>>
>>>> I am not a liberty to mention names or dogs or schools.
>>>>
>>>> But there has been some talk and I would like to ask.
>>>>
>>>> hypothetically speaking, if a dog growls or barks, should the school
>>>> tell you to retire your dog, I mean I own maxx I had that option but
>>>> lets say you don't own your dog out right, and the dog is a good
>>>> worker other than the little growls and barking.  Is that any reason
>>>> to retire a dog.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.\
>>>>
>>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>>> Treasurer
>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>> Greater Long Island Chapter
>>>>
>>>>
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