[nagdu] Service dog killed on Portland bus

Tue Oct 28 18:59:28 UTC 2008

Hi,

I am not sure about the larger dog, but under the trend of today's policies
by mass transit agencies since the woman had a "note from her doctor" her
Pomeranian  is allowed on the bus.  The dog is not an assistance animal
under the specific definition of the ADA, but like with airlines there is a
move to permit these animals to ride on busses and to be allowed into public
housing.

Let's not get into a long debate here on the philosophy.  We have discussed
it many times.  Suffice it to say that as it now stands the little dog was
legally allowed on the bus.

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-----Original Message-----
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Of Sam
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service dog killed on Portland bus

Personally, I'm wondering why either one of them were on the bus?

Sam

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Claude Everett" <ceverett at dslextreme.com
>To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:31:22 -0700
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service dog killed on Portland bus

>Just by reading the article the dog killed was a companion dog
not a real
>service dog.  And***  what reason  was the Rot wilder  on the bus
for? was it
>a service animal?
>Regards,
>Claude Everett
>American by chance, Californian by choice.
>Everyone has a disability, some are more aware of it than others.
>"If we have learned one thing from the civil rights movement in
the united
>states, it is that when you let others speak for you, you lose."
>Ed Roberts

>-----Original Message-----
>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf
>Of Jennie Facer
>Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:07 AM
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>That is really sad!

>Jenn

>TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!

>-----Original Message-----
>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf
>Of Ginger Kutsch
>Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:23 AM
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>Subject: [nagdu] Service dog killed on Portland bus

>Service dog killed on Portland bus
>10/28/2008,
>The Associated Press
>http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/news-27/12251
82546240560
>..xml&storylist=orlocal
>PORTLAND, Ore.  (AP) - TriMet, which increased security following
a series of
>high-profile assaults involving humans, is now faced with a
brutal case of
>dog-on-dog violence.

>The attack happened late Sunday afternoon when Leroy Morley and
his 50-pound
>Rottweiler mix were walking toward the front of the bus to exit
in North
>Portland, said Peggy LaPoint, a spokeswoman for the mass transit
agency.

>Marie Kelemen, the owner of the victim, said the bigger dog 
neither growled
>nor barked before breaking the neck of Buddy, the 7-pound 
Pomeranian that
>bled to death in her lap.

>Transit police responded to the scene.  Morley was allowed to 
leave, but has
>been barred from riding TriMet buses and trains for 30 days.

>Kelemen, 59, of Portland said the penalty is not severe enough.  
"It was
>horrible," she told The Oregonian newspaper.  "It was terrible.  
That's why 30
>days is ludicrous."

>The Pomeranian was a service dog and therefore authorized to ride 
the bus.
>The larger dog was not.

>The case has been referred to Multnomah County Animal Services, 
spokesman
>John Rowton said.  "But we haven't seen the report, and we're 
waiting for a
>copy of the video from the bus' surveillance camera."

>TriMet's Web site states that service dogs are allowed to ride 
buses and
>trains but must be kept on a leash or in a carrier.  The 
definition of a
>service dog is broad.  According to the Americans with 
Disabilities Act, a
>service animal can be "any guide dog, signal dog or other animal
>individually trained to provide assistance to an individual with 
a
>disability."

>Kelemen said she has a doctor's note that authorized Buddy to be 
her
>companion dog.  "He was such a nice little guy," she said.  "It's 
awfully
>quiet without him."

>___

>Information from: The Oregonian, http://www.oregonlive.com

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