[nagdu] NAGDU and the Policy on Ownership

Sun Apr 26 02:56:16 UTC 2009

My question would be, what issue would we be asking the members to decide?

Would we be stating that we "condemn and deplore" schools that don't provide
ownership upon graduation? Would we be asking schools to consider offering
grads ownership upon completion of their programs? Would we be urging
schools to be transparent with potential clients about their policies?

What do you have in mind, Marion?

For me, the criteria that were most important when I chose schools changed
between my first and second dogs. I don't expect they will change much from
here on out, but I could be wrong. I think the two things that top my list
are ownership and excellent traffic training. While in-home training would
have been nice, I felt that Seeing Eye's approach to traffic was more in
line with what I wanted. 

The more I think about this, the  more I am certain that traffic training is
actually what really does top my list. If School A provided excellent
traffic training but retained ownership for a period of time, and School B
gave immediate ownership but was not as complete in their traffic training,
I'd probably go with School A.  (I don't know what I'd do if school A
retained ownership throughout the dog's working life; in that instance, I'd
probably try to find money to hire a trainer.)

I don't mean to imply that other schools don't have good traffic training;
but I will say that TSE's approach to traffic was one of the reasons I chose
the school. They also had the breed I hoped to get for my next dog.

Well, I am going to listen to the interview. Perhaps I'll better understand
the question after I do that.

Best,

Angie

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of sblanjones11
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 9:47 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] NAGDU and the Policy on Ownership

Marion,
What's wrong with leaving it up to personal preference?
Why must everybody be forced to embrace the majority opinion as policy?
Look what happened with the issue of dogs and our training centers.  I
believe, as I expressed at the time, the NFB was not well served by forcing
this issue.
JMHO.
Susan

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Marion & Martin
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 10:05 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: [nagdu] NAGDU and the Policy on Ownership

Susan,
    Perhaps I misspoke about it being "policy". Interviews are pretty
spontaneous and sometimes words don't come out the exact way they should. 
Perhaps, though, we should introduce a resolution to let the convention of
the NFB decide this issue. What do the other members think?
----- Original Message -----
From: "sblanjones11" <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org

> Vincent, THANKS SO MUCH FOR POSTING THE LINK!
> I just finished listening, and thoroughly enjoyed the show.
>
> The one thing I would take issue with, Marion, is that we, as a 
> division, all believe immediate ownership is the best policy.
> Correct me, please, if I'm wrong, but I don't remember that we ever 
> voted on that as policy.
>
> I think ownership is very important, but I personally would not put it 
> at the top of my list for considering a guide dog school.
> JMHO.
> Susan & Rhoda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Vincent Chaney
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:41 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Joe Ruffalo
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> The Podcast is now available on the ThruOurEyes Web Site. A short cut 
> link to the page is given by Quintina but I will include it again.
>
> http://www.thruoureyes.org/jaws.html
>
> The next link to pick is:
> To listen to CURRENT podcasts using our JAWS friendly page Click Here
>
> The second header for the JAWS and Windoweyes users is what to look for. 
> The
> header is titled 122 - ThruOurEyes with Joe Ruffalo
>
> This above link will actually launch/start the Podcast on your computer.
> To download the show, i.e. to save the show as a MP3 file, you would 
> place the JAWS/WindowEyes cursor over the link. Then manually do a 
> right-mouse click. The next is to choose the File Save As, pick a 
> place to put the file so you can find it Then bring your focus to that 
> folder and highlight the file and hit enter.
> This will start your Windows Media, Quick Time, etc. If nothing 
> starts, you may have to start the Windows Media and do a File Open 
> (Control O).
> Navigate
> yourself through the Windows Tree structure to the file you just 
> downloaded and press enter.
>
> Unfortunately if none of these work, your choice may be to click on 
> the link and listen anytime you want to hear it on your computer only.
>
> Take a look around the Web Site as you'll likely find many other 
> archived shows that you will like.
> http://www.thruoureyes.org
>
> Vince
> Vincent Chaney, NFBNJ Diabetes Division President NJAGDU Committee 
> Coe-Chair Lead
>
>
> Message -----
> From: "Quintina M. Singleton" <qmsingleton at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org
>
>
>
>
> Podcasts are available 24 to 48 hours after broadcast. They can be found 
> on
> our podcast
>
> or archive podcast pages.
>
> The link is www.Thruoureyes.org/jaws.html
>
> The Thruoureyes editor told me that he would be working on last night's 
> show
> this  afternoon.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Quintina
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "sblanjones11" <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org
>
>
>>I went onto the Through our Eyes website, and was unable to find the right
>> podcast.
>> Is there any way we could get an exact link, or a clue , for example,
>> steps,
>> as to how to get there?
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I would love to listen!
>> Thanks.
>> Susan & Rhoda
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Vincent Chaney
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:50 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Joe Ruffalo
>> Subject: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org
>>
>> Marion and Joe,
>>
>> You both did a fabulous job on the Internet Radio Show this evening.
>> Marion,
>> the details and descriptions of your working with 3 Guide Dogs, your
>> knowledge and background on the philosophy of the NFB and GDU support
>> since
>> you joined in 1985 or 1987 was a good knowledge point to share for the 
>> NFB
>> support and welcoming Guide Dog User partners into the NFB. The
>> description
>> of the purpose and goals of NAGDU were uplifting and positively stated.
>> You
>> and Joe commented on the formation of the NFBNJ committee, NJAGDU. We,
>> from
>> the committee, are building a NFBNJ state advocacy team and thank you for
>> joining us this past Sunday for our monthly meeting as the NAGDU
>> President.
>> You added a personal touch on your working with your dogs and how, why or
>> when you choose to travel via a cane, sighted guide or another method.
>> These
>> points are very good especially for first time Guide Dog Users and good 
>> to
>> hear as old timers that we do similar methods in working with our four
>> legged partners.
>> I look forward to your next visit to the ThruOurEyes radio and future
>> topics
>> you may share with everyone. For anyone who may have missed the live
>> broadcast, the shows are available as a Podcast or through the archive
>> link
>> on www.thruoureyes.org. If this works, the link is:
>> http://www.thruoureyes.org and will be there in a day or two.
>> As you have shared on a very difficult time now for you and your wife, my
>> heart goes out to Merry on the pending loss of her dear partner. All 
>> God's
>> blessings, comfort, strength be with the both of you...
>>
>> Vincent Chaney, NFBNJ Diabetes Division President NFBNJ NJAGDU Coe-Chair
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