[nagdu] NAGDU and the Policy on Ownership

Sun Apr 26 18:36:33 UTC 2009

I have no problem with a positively worded resolution, but I don't want any 
schools condemned and deplored for their ownership policy. *smile.
Sherri
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Angie Matney" <angie.matney at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] NAGDU and the Policy on Ownership


> Would those of you with dogs from Leader, GEB, GDB, and other schools that
> don't grant immediate ownership have a problem with a resolution 
> encouraging
> the schools to reconsider these policies and to find ways to promote
> self-determination for their students? I'm just curious. A resolution
> doesn't have to state that all NFB members will only attend schools that
> grant immediate ownership of the dog at graduation.
>
> I ask because if we came up with a resolution that urged Seeing Eye to
> reconsider some policy in light of consumer preference, I could 
> potentially
> support it, even though I plan to get all my future dogs from that school.
>
> Angie
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sherri
> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 12:07 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NAGDU and the Policy on Ownership
>
> Joining the minority view, I agree. I was very pleased with my training
> experience at Leader and though having ownership does carry some weight 
> and
> at the time I went to Leader, which was 2004, I owned my dog, I will
> probably go back there for my next guide dog.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "sblanjones11" <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 9:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NAGDU and the Policy on Ownership
>
>
>> Marion,
>> What's wrong with leaving it up to personal preference?
>> Why must everybody be forced to embrace the majority opinion as policy?
>> Look what happened with the issue of dogs and our training centers.  I
>> believe, as I expressed at the time, the NFB was not well served by
>> forcing
>> this issue.
>> JMHO.
>> Susan
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Marion & Martin
>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 10:05 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] NAGDU and the Policy on Ownership
>>
>> Susan,
>>    Perhaps I misspoke about it being "policy". Interviews are pretty
>> spontaneous and sometimes words don't come out the exact way they should.
>> Perhaps, though, we should introduce a resolution to let the convention 
>> of
>> the NFB decide this issue. What do the other members think?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "sblanjones11" <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org
>>
>>
>>> Vincent, THANKS SO MUCH FOR POSTING THE LINK!
>>> I just finished listening, and thoroughly enjoyed the show.
>>>
>>> The one thing I would take issue with, Marion, is that we, as a
>>> division, all believe immediate ownership is the best policy.
>>> Correct me, please, if I'm wrong, but I don't remember that we ever
>>> voted on that as policy.
>>>
>>> I think ownership is very important, but I personally would not put it
>>> at the top of my list for considering a guide dog school.
>>> JMHO.
>>> Susan & Rhoda
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Vincent Chaney
>>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:41 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Joe Ruffalo
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> The Podcast is now available on the ThruOurEyes Web Site. A short cut
>>> link to the page is given by Quintina but I will include it again.
>>>
>>> http://www.thruoureyes.org/jaws.html
>>>
>>> The next link to pick is:
>>> To listen to CURRENT podcasts using our JAWS friendly page Click Here
>>>
>>> The second header for the JAWS and Windoweyes users is what to look for.
>>> The
>>> header is titled 122 - ThruOurEyes with Joe Ruffalo
>>>
>>> This above link will actually launch/start the Podcast on your computer.
>>> To download the show, i.e. to save the show as a MP3 file, you would
>>> place the JAWS/WindowEyes cursor over the link. Then manually do a
>>> right-mouse click. The next is to choose the File Save As, pick a
>>> place to put the file so you can find it Then bring your focus to that
>>> folder and highlight the file and hit enter.
>>> This will start your Windows Media, Quick Time, etc. If nothing
>>> starts, you may have to start the Windows Media and do a File Open
>>> (Control O).
>>> Navigate
>>> yourself through the Windows Tree structure to the file you just
>>> downloaded and press enter.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately if none of these work, your choice may be to click on
>>> the link and listen anytime you want to hear it on your computer only.
>>>
>>> Take a look around the Web Site as you'll likely find many other
>>> archived shows that you will like.
>>> http://www.thruoureyes.org
>>>
>>> Vince
>>> Vincent Chaney, NFBNJ Diabetes Division President NJAGDU Committee
>>> Coe-Chair Lead
>>>
>>>
>>> Message -----
>>> From: "Quintina M. Singleton" <qmsingleton at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Podcasts are available 24 to 48 hours after broadcast. They can be found
>>> on
>>> our podcast
>>>
>>> or archive podcast pages.
>>>
>>> The link is www.Thruoureyes.org/jaws.html
>>>
>>> The Thruoureyes editor told me that he would be working on last night's
>>> show
>>> this  afternoon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Quintina
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "sblanjones11" <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org
>>>
>>>
>>>>I went onto the Through our Eyes website, and was unable to find the
>>>>right
>>>> podcast.
>>>> Is there any way we could get an exact link, or a clue , for example,
>>>> steps,
>>>> as to how to get there?
>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I would love to listen!
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Susan & Rhoda
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Vincent Chaney
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:50 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Joe Ruffalo
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org
>>>>
>>>> Marion and Joe,
>>>>
>>>> You both did a fabulous job on the Internet Radio Show this evening.
>>>> Marion,
>>>> the details and descriptions of your working with 3 Guide Dogs, your
>>>> knowledge and background on the philosophy of the NFB and GDU support
>>>> since
>>>> you joined in 1985 or 1987 was a good knowledge point to share for the
>>>> NFB
>>>> support and welcoming Guide Dog User partners into the NFB. The
>>>> description
>>>> of the purpose and goals of NAGDU were uplifting and positively stated.
>>>> You
>>>> and Joe commented on the formation of the NFBNJ committee, NJAGDU. We,
>>>> from
>>>> the committee, are building a NFBNJ state advocacy team and thank you
>>>> for
>>>> joining us this past Sunday for our monthly meeting as the NAGDU
>>>> President.
>>>> You added a personal touch on your working with your dogs and how, why
>>>> or
>>>> when you choose to travel via a cane, sighted guide or another method.
>>>> These
>>>> points are very good especially for first time Guide Dog Users and good
>>>> to
>>>> hear as old timers that we do similar methods in working with our four
>>>> legged partners.
>>>> I look forward to your next visit to the ThruOurEyes radio and future
>>>> topics
>>>> you may share with everyone. For anyone who may have missed the live
>>>> broadcast, the shows are available as a Podcast or through the archive
>>>> link
>>>> on www.thruoureyes.org. If this works, the link is:
>>>> http://www.thruoureyes.org and will be there in a day or two.
>>>> As you have shared on a very difficult time now for you and your wife,
>>>> my
>>>> heart goes out to Merry on the pending loss of her dear partner. All
>>>> God's
>>>> blessings, comfort, strength be with the both of you...
>>>>
>>>> Vincent Chaney, NFBNJ Diabetes Division President NFBNJ NJAGDU 
>>>> Coe-Chair
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