[nagdu] NAGDU and the Policy on Ownership

Sun Apr 26 20:29:17 UTC 2009

Angie & listers,
I would not have a problem with that wording, but I would have a problem
with a blanket statement such as, 
"It is the policy of NAGDU that blind people should own their dogs
outright."
Susan & Rhoda

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Angie Matney
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 12:52 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] NAGDU and the Policy on Ownership

Would those of you with dogs from Leader, GEB, GDB, and other schools that
don't grant immediate ownership have a problem with a resolution encouraging
the schools to reconsider these policies and to find ways to promote
self-determination for their students? I'm just curious. A resolution
doesn't have to state that all NFB members will only attend schools that
grant immediate ownership of the dog at graduation.

I ask because if we came up with a resolution that urged Seeing Eye to
reconsider some policy in light of consumer preference, I could potentially
support it, even though I plan to get all my future dogs from that school.

Angie

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sherri
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 12:07 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] NAGDU and the Policy on Ownership

Joining the minority view, I agree. I was very pleased with my training
experience at Leader and though having ownership does carry some weight and
at the time I went to Leader, which was 2004, I owned my dog, I will
probably go back there for my next guide dog.
----- Original Message -----
From: "sblanjones11" <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] NAGDU and the Policy on Ownership

> Marion,
> What's wrong with leaving it up to personal preference?
> Why must everybody be forced to embrace the majority opinion as policy?
> Look what happened with the issue of dogs and our training centers.  I 
> believe, as I expressed at the time, the NFB was not well served by 
> forcing this issue.
> JMHO.
> Susan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Marion & Martin
> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 10:05 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] NAGDU and the Policy on Ownership
>
> Susan,
>    Perhaps I misspoke about it being "policy". Interviews are pretty 
> spontaneous and sometimes words don't come out the exact way they should.
> Perhaps, though, we should introduce a resolution to let the 
> convention of the NFB decide this issue. What do the other members think?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sblanjones11" <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org
>
>
>> Vincent, THANKS SO MUCH FOR POSTING THE LINK!
>> I just finished listening, and thoroughly enjoyed the show.
>>
>> The one thing I would take issue with, Marion, is that we, as a 
>> division, all believe immediate ownership is the best policy.
>> Correct me, please, if I'm wrong, but I don't remember that we ever 
>> voted on that as policy.
>>
>> I think ownership is very important, but I personally would not put 
>> it at the top of my list for considering a guide dog school.
>> JMHO.
>> Susan & Rhoda
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Vincent Chaney
>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:41 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Cc: Joe Ruffalo
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> The Podcast is now available on the ThruOurEyes Web Site. A short cut 
>> link to the page is given by Quintina but I will include it again.
>>
>> http://www.thruoureyes.org/jaws.html
>>
>> The next link to pick is:
>> To listen to CURRENT podcasts using our JAWS friendly page Click Here
>>
>> The second header for the JAWS and Windoweyes users is what to look for.
>> The
>> header is titled 122 - ThruOurEyes with Joe Ruffalo
>>
>> This above link will actually launch/start the Podcast on your computer.
>> To download the show, i.e. to save the show as a MP3 file, you would 
>> place the JAWS/WindowEyes cursor over the link. Then manually do a 
>> right-mouse click. The next is to choose the File Save As, pick a 
>> place to put the file so you can find it Then bring your focus to 
>> that folder and highlight the file and hit enter.
>> This will start your Windows Media, Quick Time, etc. If nothing 
>> starts, you may have to start the Windows Media and do a File Open 
>> (Control O).
>> Navigate
>> yourself through the Windows Tree structure to the file you just 
>> downloaded and press enter.
>>
>> Unfortunately if none of these work, your choice may be to click on 
>> the link and listen anytime you want to hear it on your computer only.
>>
>> Take a look around the Web Site as you'll likely find many other 
>> archived shows that you will like.
>> http://www.thruoureyes.org
>>
>> Vince
>> Vincent Chaney, NFBNJ Diabetes Division President NJAGDU Committee 
>> Coe-Chair Lead
>>
>>
>> Message -----
>> From: "Quintina M. Singleton" <qmsingleton at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Podcasts are available 24 to 48 hours after broadcast. They can be 
>> found on our podcast
>>
>> or archive podcast pages.
>>
>> The link is www.Thruoureyes.org/jaws.html
>>
>> The Thruoureyes editor told me that he would be working on last 
>> night's show this  afternoon.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Quintina
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "sblanjones11" <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org
>>
>>
>>>I went onto the Through our Eyes website, and was unable to find the 
>>>right  podcast.
>>> Is there any way we could get an exact link, or a clue , for 
>>>example,  steps,  as to how to get there?
>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I would love to listen!
>>> Thanks.
>>> Susan & Rhoda
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Vincent Chaney
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:50 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Joe Ruffalo
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org
>>>
>>> Marion and Joe,
>>>
>>> You both did a fabulous job on the Internet Radio Show this evening.
>>> Marion,
>>> the details and descriptions of your working with 3 Guide Dogs, your 
>>> knowledge and background on the philosophy of the NFB and GDU 
>>> support since you joined in 1985 or 1987 was a good knowledge point 
>>> to share for the NFB support and welcoming Guide Dog User partners 
>>> into the NFB. The description of the purpose and goals of NAGDU were 
>>> uplifting and positively stated.
>>> You
>>> and Joe commented on the formation of the NFBNJ committee, NJAGDU. 
>>> We, from the committee, are building a NFBNJ state advocacy team and 
>>> thank you for joining us this past Sunday for our monthly meeting as 
>>> the NAGDU President.
>>> You added a personal touch on your working with your dogs and how, 
>>> why or when you choose to travel via a cane, sighted guide or 
>>> another method.
>>> These
>>> points are very good especially for first time Guide Dog Users and 
>>> good to hear as old timers that we do similar methods in working 
>>> with our four legged partners.
>>> I look forward to your next visit to the ThruOurEyes radio and 
>>> future topics you may share with everyone. For anyone who may have 
>>> missed the live broadcast, the shows are available as a Podcast or 
>>> through the archive link on www.thruoureyes.org. If this works, the 
>>> link is:
>>> http://www.thruoureyes.org and will be there in a day or two.
>>> As you have shared on a very difficult time now for you and your 
>>> wife, my heart goes out to Merry on the pending loss of her dear 
>>> partner. All God's blessings, comfort, strength be with the both of 
>>> you...
>>>
>>> Vincent Chaney, NFBNJ Diabetes Division President NFBNJ NJAGDU 
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