[nagdu] Dave, Tammy, & Maddox Anspach

Tue Aug 11 17:45:13 UTC 2009

Hi Marion,
That's great that Maddox is still working after the passing of Dave.

It seems that people don't have the right to use a guide dog that was 
origionally issued to someone else according to the contracts you have to 
sign with some schools.  I ran into this one when I retired a guide dog and 
the person I gave it to turned around and used the dog as her guide.  The 
"fact" that I gave my dog to someone else to use was one of the reasons 
stated to me when Guide Dogs of America turned me down almost two years 
after I retired the dog. the fact is that I gave the dog for a pet - NOT a 
guide.  I retired the dog because it wasn't very good with traffic work and 
it needed to retire.

But, I agree with you about letting others use a guide dog that was once 
issued to another person.  I do think this has to go on a case by case 
basis.  Why does a person give their guide dog to another person to use in 
the first place?  I don't mean the type of case with Dave's dog Maddox going 
to a qualified person to continue working after Dave died.

Just curious about why people give their dog to another person.

Linda and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dave, Tammy, & Maddox Anspach

> Rebecca,
>    I think this is an interesting discussion for us! It is all too often 
> assumed that only one person has the right to work a guide dog and that 
> the only ones able to make decisions about such things are the 
> "professionals". This flies in the face of our belief that blind people 
> are competent to make their own decisions about such things that affect 
> their lives.
>    Other than the information I have already shared, I do not feel it is 
> my place to offer more details. What I will say is that I lent her my 
> dog's harness that was made by Julie Johnson and Debbie feels maddox is a 
> sound guide dog for her.
>    Debbie's retired guide dog stepped over the Rainbow Bridge a couple of 
> months ago, so she was in the process of applying for another dog. Since 
> Dave owned maddox and made no legal provisions for his care upon his 
> death, ownership transferred to his wife under Florida property laws. 
> Tammy - Dave's wife - then transferred ownership to Debbie.
>    I, too, am happy that Maddox is still working because he enjoys it so 
> much. The other day, Merry and I were traveling through downtown Tampa and 
> Merry spotted Debbie and Maddox at a bus shelter. She said Maddox had his 
> ears perked up, looked very alert, and seemed to be content.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 11:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dave, Tammy, & Maddox Anspach
>
>
>> I'm curious to know how the hand-off went. Did Debbie need a dog and was
>> Leader Dogs involved? Or did Dave leave Debbie Maddox in his will?
>> I ask because I'm curious. Was Leader Dogs involved at all?
>> Are there any other instances of similar situations happening and how
>> were they handled if the dog was owned by a school?
>> This is very interesting.
>> And, I'm glad to  know Maddox is still working. Why I find that
>> comforting, I can't say.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Marion & Martin
>> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 11:06 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dave, Tammy, & Maddox Anspach
>>
>> Dar,
>>    The dog was trained by Leader Dogs prior to their changing their
>> ownership policy. Therefore, Dave - and Tammy upon his passing - owned
>> Maddox and have the right to transfer this ownership to whomever they
>> wish.
>> By law, a service animal is any animal specifically trained to provide a
>> service to a person with a disability. Since maddox is a service animal
>> and debbie is disabled, she has every legal right to use Maddox as her
>> guide dog. I hope this helps answer your questions.
>>
>> fraternally yours,
>> Marion
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dave, Tammy, & Maddox Anspach
>>
>>
>>>I am pleased that the dog is working,
>>> Is this a self trained dog?
>>> I wondered how a school would let the dog go to someone else, if they
>>> hadn't trained with it.
>>> Just some thoughts.
>>> Very interested.
>>>
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