[nagdu] Matching

Nicole B. Torcolini ntorcolini at wavecable.com
Thu Aug 13 03:37:45 UTC 2009 

Oh, yes, that's one thing that I taught Lexia using clicker training.
Sometimes she does well with it and other times she does not. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Wayne Merritt
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:59 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Matching

AS of when I was there a year ago, they didn't teach find. A trainer told me
last spring that though they may not teach find, they do teach the word
"zook," which means find in another language. He explained the reasoning
behind this, but honestly I didn't understand it and when he was done, it
sounded pretty silly. A coworker of mine said once that though they don't
teach find, that's one of the first things that graduates teach their dogs
when they get home.

Wayne

On 8/12/09, Sherrill O'Brien <sherrill.obrien at verizon.net> wrote:
> I think Ben is a great guide dog name.  I know a guy who was given a 
> dog named Honey, and wherever he went, people thought he was either 
> talking to his wife, or to any woman who was passing by, or the clerk 
> in the
> store(lol.)  He finally got frustrated and changed the name to Sunny!  
> So perfect for your dog, AnnaLisa!
>
> While we're on the subject of TSE and Gdf, can anyone who's been to 
> TSE recently tell me whether they still don't teach the "find" 
> commands?  If not, do you know the thinking behind that?  Most all the 
> schools teach the command, which is very useful.  Perhaps TSE feels 
> folks can just teach this to their dogs if they wish to do that at 
> home?  I'm now struggling with where to apply for my next dog, though it
breaks my heart to have to say it.
> I'm debating between GdF and TSE, since my first two dogs were from 
> TSE, and my last two were from Southeastern.
>
> Sherrill
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:46 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Matching
>
>
> Lily and Lily is pretty bad!  Luckily, one of the TSE traditions is 
> that you can rename your dog right away, if you want!  Quite a concept 
> for those of us who started out at a school where the name is supposed 
> to be something you live with, if possible.
>
> I live in dread of getting a dog with my husband's name.  I have a 
> list of alternatives, if it comes up.  On the other hand, if I got a 
> Harpo, because I play the harp, well that would be great!
> When my instructor told me I was getting a dog named Ben, I was delighted.
>  Ben has been on my list of good dog names for a long time.
>
> Tracy
>
>> Here's the ultimate absurd match.  Many years ago, in a TSE class, a 
>> girl named Lily  was given a dog named...Lily!  One can laugh about 
>> it, but really, the name game taken too far isn't a bit funny.  I 
>> sure would have renamed that pooch the minute I got home!
>> Sherrill
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
>> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:09 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Matching
>>
>>
>> The sorting hat!  That's it!
>> Tracy
>>
>>> Tracy,
>>>
>>> Well said!  Maybe they have a sorting hat, like in Harry Potter? 
>>> /grin/ Then again, I like the funny name idea.  Far more 
>>> entertaining than all the statistical analysis and what not they 
>>> probably do to try to manage the odds, which has got to be an 
>>> inexact science at best given the number of factors they need to 
>>> consider.
>>>
>>> Maybe we should see if one of the schools would like to conduct an 
>>> experiement?  Kidding! /grin/
>>>
>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:18 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Matching
>>>
>>> I wondered the same as Rebecca when I read Marion's message.  More, 
>>> one of my classmates, call her A, had a friend, B, who was not doing 
>>> particularly well with her dog.  But A loved the dog, and got B to 
>>> give the dog to her, and they worked happily together for years.  Go 
>>> figure.
>>>
>>> This is what I think.  Some people think that their dog was 
>>> specially selected for them, a match made in heaven, if you will.  
>>> Maybe the schools encourage this kind of thinking.  Maybe it helps 
>>> some people bond with the new dog, specially selected just for them.
>>> And I do think it's true that some dogs couldn't work for some people.
>>> My
>>> Echo, for instance, is a soft dog.  If I got annoyed, or forgot, and 
>>> spoke too sharply to her, or corrected her too hard, she would turn 
>>> to JellO and melt.  We'd have to stop right there for a couple 
>>> minutes so she could regain her composure.  She could never have 
>>> worked for someone with a loud, drill-sergeant-type handling style.  
>>> My Ben, on the other hand, might do great with that kind of person.  
>>> He might not be the brat he is, though it might also put a damper on 
>>> his cheerful, cocky nature.
>>>
>>> But one dog could surely work for a variety of people.  Just some 
>>> would be more suitable than others.
>>>
>>> There's a workshop during the TSE reunion called "The Miracle of the 
>>> Match".  I find that title very amusing.  I'm tempted to go and 
>>> heckle, because sometimes I strongly suspect they just throw names 
>>> in a hat and pull them out.  Or pick the name that's cutest with the 
>>> person, like Anchor for the ex-Navy man.  Though I must say Ben does 
>>> match what I asked for amazingly well.  Which just shows I should be 
>>> careful what I ask for!
>>> Not that I'd trade him for anyone else.
>>>
>>> Maybe the miracle is that the match usually works. <Grin>
>>>
>>> Just my nickel's worth.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>> Marian and list,
>>>> Does this mean that there is no merit to the statement that a dog 
>>>> and person are matched?
>>>> If this is so, why must we as the end-users go get a dog and spend 
>>>> several weeks at a school with it? Why can't I just go to a school, 
>>>> say "I like that one" and then leave with that dog?
>>>> I am truly curious and would be interested to know people's 
>>>> thoughts, both those who work for a school and those who do not.
>>>> If the dogs will work for anybody once they are taught how to 
>>>> guide, why do theschools say "we matched x dog with y person"?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Marion & Martin
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 7:01 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dave, Tammy, & Maddox Anspach
>>>>
>>>> Dar,
>>>>     I cannot answer your questions, as I am not a representative of 
>>>> any school. I am of the opinion that, if one owns their dog and for 
>>>> any reason feels the need to transfer ownership to someone else, 
>>>> the school should have no issue with it. If that person is blind 
>>>> and wishes to use the dog as their guide, this, too, should be none 
>>>> of the school's concern. These are the rights and privileges of
ownership.
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>> Marion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:51 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dave, Tammy, & Maddox Anspach
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> See I am not concerned about this team, I am not concerened about 
>>>>> any of this, except asking one question.
>>>>> Has different matches like this happened with other schools as well?
>>>>> Lets say I give you the rite to have my dog if anything happens to me.
>>>>> You agree, and this would be coming from the school where I 
>>>>> trained my
>>>> dog
>>>>> with.
>>>>> They would take my word that you are a swell handler, and they 
>>>>> want
>>>> the
>>>>> dog to still be a team with someone.
>>>>> I feel this is a plus I am at not  time unhappy with anyone.
>>>>> My next question would be, lets say my dog had to retire, could I 
>>>>> call
>>>> my
>>>>> school and say something like,
>>>>> "is there a team who has to brake up for what evere reason, and 
>>>>> may I
>>>> have
>>>>> their dog/
>>>>> I am a swell dog handler as you know, what paper work do I need to
>>>> fill
>>>>> out to have this happen?
>>>>> I hope I explained better now.
>>>>> I think this is a swell idea.
>>>>>
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