[nagdu] Service Animals in Health Care Failities

Mon Aug 31 13:41:10 UTC 2009

Tracy,
    Thank you for the clarification. I believe this would be one of the 
areas in which a direct threat could not be mitigated by a modification of 
policies, practices, or procedures!

Fraternally yours,
Marion


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Animals in Health Care Failities


> I'm not Nicole, but...
> No metal object is allowed past a certain point in the MRI rooms, because
> of the powerful magnet that makes the MRI work.  A few years ago, a child
> was killed in an MRI machine because someone left a soda can in the room,
> and when they turned on the machine, the can flew into it.
> My dog has 2 metal objects on him when he's working, his harness and his
> collar.  So he can't come into the MRI room; he has to stay outside,
> possibly in the changing room.  But there won't be anyone there to watch
> him, and he could bother the next patient to come in, because she's
> getting ready while I'm still being scanned.
> For these reasons, I either bring someone with me to watch the dog in the
> waiting room while I get the MRI, or I'd leave the dog at home if no one
> could come with me.
> Tracy
>
>> Nicole,
>>     I can understand why you would not bring the dog in a hyperbaric
>> chamber
>> but not sure why not in an MRI room. Could you share more about this?
>>
>> Marion
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Animals in Health Care Failities
>>
>>
>>> To answer your question, an MRI room and a hyper baric  chamber.  No, it
>>> is
>>> not safe for the dog to go in a hyperbaric chamber.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Marion & Martin
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Service Animals in Health Care Failities
>>>
>>> Nicole,
>>>    Your message raises another question for me. What is the type of area
>>> at
>>> your doctor's office in which you are restricted from taking your dog? I
>>> feel it is important for everyone to know that, according to the Centers
>>> for
>>> Disease Control's guidance on this, there are very few areas in which a
>>> service animal "poses a direct threat that cannot be mitigated by a
>>> modification of policies, practices, and procedures". These places are
>>> those
>>> in which everyone must take "universal precautions, i.e., wear gloves,
>>> gowns, & masks. It is not reasonable to expect a service animal to
>>> undergo
>>> such precautions. The entire document is attached to this message.
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Requirement of a Harness
>>>
>>>
>>>> For those times that Lexia is out of the harness, but I still need
>>>> people
>>>> to
>>>> know that she is a guide dog, she has a vest that I bought and sewed
>>>> two
>>>> patches on; I don't remember what the patches say.  .  An example of a
>>>> time
>>>> that I would use it is I take her to the doctor with me and have to
>>>> leave
>>>> her with someone because she can not go into a certain area.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Julie J
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:04 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Requirement of a Harness
>>>>
>>>> Marion,
>>>>
>>>> *let's consider our stays in hotels. During convention, I always give
>>>> my
>>>> dog
>>>> a day off in the middle of the convention. However, our policy requires
>>>> us
>>>> to not leave our dog unattended in the rooms. Therefore, I allow my dog
>>>> to
>>>> accompany me out of harness. From your perspective, would this be
>>>> unethical?
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>> For me this is not something I would do.  When I went to convention
>>>> with
>>>> Belle I did give her time off, but I did have her harness on while I
>>>> used
>>>> my
>>>> cane and took her along on leash.
>>>>
>>>> *suppose I want to relieve my
>>>> dog. Should I be required to harness my dog to take her out if I do not
>>>> wish
>>>> to work her? * Again for me it would depend on where I was, how far it
>>>> was
>>>> to the place to relieve her and what I would have to go through to get
>>>> there.  At a large, no pets hotel, with a long way to go to get
>>>> outside,
>>>> yes
>>>> I would probably put the harness on whether or not I was working her or
>>>> using my cane.
>>>>
>>>> *And, if while I am out, I decide to stop into the restaurant to get a
>>>> couple of cups of coffee to take back to my room for merry and me,
>>>> should
>>>> I
>>>> be restricted from entering into the restaurant if my dog is not in
>>>> harness?
>>>> * Restricted, I don't know.  Again I would not be comfortable taking my
>>>> guide dog into a restaurant out of harness.
>>>> *Does my dog pose any greater threat to those in the restaurant if she
>>>> is
>>>> not in harness?* No, not at all.  But I don't think that is the issue.
>>>>
>>>> *    While I am at work and the dog is lying under my desk, should I be
>>>> required to keep my dog in harness to satisfy some ethical
>>>> consideration?
>>>> *
>>>> no.  That is your space.
>>>>
>>>> *Some schools and even more users train their dogs to guide on leash
>>>> without
>>>> the harness.  Again, if I am at work and wish to get a drink or step
>>>> outside
>>>> for some fresh air, should I be required to put the harness on my dog?*
>>>> Required? no, I don't think so, but again I think I would put the
>>>> harness
>>>> on
>>>> to do these things.  I also teach my dogs to leash guide, but even if I
>>>> am
>>>> using leash guiding in a public situation, I still have the dog in
>>>> harness.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it's an easy distinction to make, when to put on the
>>>> harness
>>>> and when not to.  I think Ann Edie said it all better than I could ever
>>>> explain in her post from last week or the week before.  I don't think
>>>> that
>>>> we should be required to have our dogs in harness in particular
>>>> situations.
>>>> I do think we need to make every effort to make sure that the public
>>>> knows
>>>> that our guide dogs are guide dogs.  I think this is best done by
>>>> having
>>>> them wear their harnesses.  Incidentally I also think that other types
>>>> of
>>>> service dogs should wear a vest or other identifying equipment, not
>>>> because
>>>> it is required, but because it is an easy way to identify them as
>>>> service
>>>> dogs.   It's like a name tag.  Sure people can do a job without a name
>>>> tag,
>>>> but doesn't it make things easier for the public when you can be easily
>>>> identified?
>>>>
>>>> I definitely don't think we need more rules about when or where or how
>>>> to
>>>> handle our guide dogs, but at the same time I think we need to do
>>>> everything
>>>> in our power to help the public understand what is what so that no one
>>>> feels
>>>> that more rules are in order.
>>>>
>>>> Of course this is JMHO
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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