[nagdu] Joining NAGDU/NYAGDU

JULIE PHILLIPSON jbrew48 at verizon.net
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Julie Phillipson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Joining NAGDU/NYAGDU


> so there is no application process? Is there a site to go to then, so I
> could register and submit dues?
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> CEO/Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> New York, New York  10004
> www.myblindspot.org
> PH: 917-553-0347
> Fax: 212-858-5759
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it."
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Marion & Martin
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 9:32 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] Joining NAGDU/NYAGDU
>
> Albert,
>    The best way to join NAGDU is to join the New York Association of Guide
> Dog Users. Margo Downey, the NYAGDU President is on this list and can tell
> you where to send your dues. When you join any affiliate division, you 
> join
> the whole organization!
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 5:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake service dogs news story
>
>
>> and where would one go to join nagdu
>>
>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>> CEO/Founder
>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>> New York, New York  10004
>> www.myblindspot.org
>> PH: 917-553-0347
>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who 
>> is
>> doing it."
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Marion & Martin
>> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 1:10 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake service dogs news story
>>
>> Albert,
>>    This "paradigm shift" is exactly where NAGDU is leading the way! Our
>> recent teleseminar, "Guide Dogs in Hospitals & Other Health Care
>> Facilities", drew more than 80 registrants and, from the feedback I have
>> received, helped educate and motivate those who participated. I hope more
>> of
>>
>> the members of this list will choose to join NAGDU and participate in
>> future
>>
>> teleseminars!
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 11:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake service dogs news story
>>
>>
>>> Well then perhaps it is time for us to inform and educate our community
>>> on
>>> their civil liberties and open the door of opportunity for the blind
>>> rather
>>> then beating a drum presuming discriminatory practices when many of the
>>> members of our community are not verse in the laws presently in place to
>>> ensure equality and access for any and all of us navigating life with a
>>> specific challenge or two.  Education for both the sighted and the blind
>>> needs to be the focus in all things if what you say is true. If there 
>>> are
>>> members of the community who do not know their rights, perhaps we could
>>> mobilize a social paradigm shift that educates all people on
>>> accessibility,
>>> technologies and the immense opportunities which come with the manner
>>> with
>>> which we see things as blind people.
>>>
>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>> CEO/Founder
>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>> New York, New York  10004
>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who
>>> is
>>> doing it."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Julie J
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 9:11 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake service dogs news story
>>>
>>> Albert,
>>>
>>> I know of disabled folks who use service animals that are Yorkies or Pit
>>> Bulls.  They are not all that common, but if it works for that
>>> individual,
>>> why not?
>>>
>>> I don't understand why you think that people who want to commit fraud by
>>> passing their pet as a service animal don't know the laws.  There's 
>>> loads
>>> of
>>>
>>> disabled people using fully trained service animals that have no clue
>>> about
>>> their rights under the law.  Likewise there's fraudulent people who know
>>> the
>>>
>>> law quite well.
>>>
>>> How do you tell the "legitimate" service animals from the "fake" ones?
>>> Not all service animals do the same tasks.  Even within service animals
>>> of
>>> the same variety, guide dogs for example, there is still a lot of
>>> variables.
>>>
>>> Who trains the individuals who get to make the determination between the
>>> real ones and the fake ones?  How do you ensure personal privacy during
>>> this
>>>
>>> process?  How does this work when traveling between
>>> states/counties/cities?
>>> How does getting a certification/ID/tag ensure that the dog will behave
>>> appropriately the next week, the next year,  or in situations different
>>> from
>>>
>>> those in the test?  Who pays for all of this?  How will it not be a
>>> burden
>>> to those disabled people who do not attend a residential training
>>> program?
>>>
>>> I'm not opposed to the idea of verification of service animals  in some
>>> way,
>>>
>>> but I haven't yet come across answers to all the above questions that
>>> would
>>> allow me to feel comfortable supporting a certification process.
>>>
>>> I'd love to hear your thoughts.
>>> Julie
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake service dogs news story
>>>
>>>
>>>>I suppose you can make an argument for any and all instances where you
>>>>think
>>>> your rights are being violated. But as I stated, it seems to me that
>>>> this
>>>> is
>>>> an attempt to control liars and those attempting to mislead.  As you
>>>> said
>>>> federal laws trump codes and such, and you as an informed and educated
>>>> individual verse in the laws, as are the police, or at least we should
>>>> hope,
>>>> I do draw attention to the learning experience at the ice cream parlor
>>>> we
>>>> all discussed, should hope and rest assured that we may not be denied
>>>> access
>>>> anywhere we travel.  Yet, someone who attempts to mislead will not know
>>>> the
>>>> law and should and must be held accountable to not having their pet
>>>> accompany them where our service animals do.  How would you suggest
>>>> combating the misleading individuals who try to pass of yorkies and or
>>>> pit
>>>> bulls as service animals? .
>>>>
>>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>>> CEO/Founder
>>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>>> New York, New York  10004
>>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who
>>>> is
>>>> doing it."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Marion & Martin
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:33 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake service dogs news story
>>>>
>>>> Albert,
>>>>    The problem with the tag might be the challenges it would cause for
>>>> those of us from another jurisdiction who do not have such a tag. If I
>>>> travel to this area with my guide dog and am questioned about such a
>>>> tag,
>>>> would I be denied access because they are imposing more restrictions
>>>> upon
>>>> me
>>>>
>>>> than the law allows? The ADA protects me no matter where I travel in 
>>>> the
>>>> U.S. and its territories. If the ADA states there is no documentation
>>>> required for access and a local jurisdiction imposes a restriction upon
>>>> me,
>>>> this jurisdiction is in violation of my rights under Federal law. Even
>>>> if
>>>> the tag is an option, some public accommodations may see it as a
>>>> requirement; thus the local law/ordinance has the effect of creating
>>>> discrimination against me by confusing the public on this issue.
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>> Marion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:58 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake service dogs news story
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> To tell you the truth I see the tag "option" more as a tool to protect
>>>>> our
>>>>> rights rather then one to be considered a problem. The code was most
>>>>> probably created and enforced due to individuals trying to get over on
>>>>> society in order to bring their pets wherever they please.  A service
>>>>> animal
>>>>> in and of itself and their abilities are evident when one sees a
>>>>> service
>>>>> animal in action. If however a tag helps protect us from charlatans 
>>>>> and
>>>>> does
>>>>> not complicate a true handlers life or access then what is the big
>>>>> deal?
>>>>>
>>>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>>>> CEO/Founder
>>>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>>>> New York, New York  10004
>>>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one 
>>>>> who
>>>>> is
>>>>> doing it."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Linda Gwizdak
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:34 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake service dogs news story
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ann,
>>>>> I was just as surprized to see in the story that the tags are
>>>>> mandatory -
>>>>> just like the law cited about busting people for fraudulent service
>>>>> animals.
>>>>>
>>>>> The thing about the tags is NEVER enforced.  I know many guide dog
>>>>> users
>>>>> who
>>>>>
>>>>> never got around to getting the tags when they started issuing them
>>>>> several
>>>>> years ago. I got one so if by chance Landon got loose and was wearing
>>>>> only
>>>>> his collar, his finder would know right away that he was a service
>>>>> dog -
>>>>> that's the only reason I got it.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I got the tag, the Animal Control folks NEVER said that these 
>>>>> tags
>>>>> were
>>>>>
>>>>> mandatory as the officer in the article said.  I could very easily 
>>>>> find
>>>>> out
>>>>> since I go to their campus to volunteer with the adjoining Humane
>>>>> Society
>>>>> twice a month!
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the article was addressing that there is a definate problem
>>>>> with
>>>>> these "fake" service animals in the San Diego area - and I assume in
>>>>> other
>>>>> locales as well.  When Channel 10 did the story, they NEVER approached
>>>>> the
>>>>> San Diego guide dog using residents.  All they needed to do is call up
>>>>> the
>>>>> Blind Community Center or the San Diego Center for the Blind to find
>>>>> us.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, yeah, the story was contradictory, I can try to contact the writer
>>>>> of
>>>>> the story and find out more.  I've just been quite busy with other
>>>>> pressing
>>>>> things.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to rabbits, I have never encountered one as a service animal and I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> think it would be a problem to me as some of these untrained,
>>>>> unsocialized
>>>>> dogs people bring out and claim they are their service dogs.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I think needs to be done is to bust the offenders who cause
>>>>> problems.
>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>> have encountered some "emotional support" dogs on the bus who were 
>>>>> very
>>>>> well
>>>>>
>>>>> behaved and socialized.  the dogs were suited for the work. I even had
>>>>> one
>>>>> that lay under the seat on the bus with Landon and it was Landon who
>>>>> tried
>>>>> to misbehave! (grin!)  I told these people that I appreciated that 
>>>>> they
>>>>> had
>>>>> nice dogs and I have no problem with these.  It is unfortunate that
>>>>> some
>>>>> people spoil it all for the people who are responsible whether it is a
>>>>> pet
>>>>> or a service dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> If people in this country trained their dogs and were responsible
>>>>> owners,
>>>>> I
>>>>> think the bans on dogs would go away.  But, you know how it is - 
>>>>> people
>>>>> lump
>>>>>
>>>>> everyone into one group when it comes to dogs or other things.  I wish
>>>>> that
>>>>> the OFFENDERS would be punished and leave the good folks alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:16 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake service dogs news story
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, Linda,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The logic behind news stories such as this one never ceases to amaze
>>>>>> me!
>>>>>> Can someone please explain to me how banning rabbits as service
>>>>>> animals
>>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>>> going to have any effect on the number of pit bulls, Yorkies, and
>>>>>> Chihuahuas being fraudulently claimed as service animals?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, while you say that "service dog" tags are not required by
>>>>>> California
>>>>>> to gain public access with a service animal, the article clearly 
>>>>>> tells
>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> public--and managers of places of public accommodation--the exact
>>>>>> opposite, "Lt. Dan DeSousa of the San Diego County Animal Shelter 
>>>>>> told
>>>>>> 10News that California requires all service dogs wear a special tag,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>
>>>>>> can be obtained at your local animal shelter by filling out a form."
>>>>>> Who
>>>>>> is John Q. Public going to believe, Linda G. who claims that she has
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> right under the ADA to take her "service dog" into any public place 
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> just her say-so that the dog performs tasks to mitigate her
>>>>>> disability,
>>>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lt. Dan DeSousa, (who sounds like an *official* law enforcement
>>>>>> officer
>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>> me), and who clearly states that California requires that a dog be
>>>>>> wearing
>>>>>
>>>>>> "service dog" tags which can be obtained at your local animal shelter
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> order for the person to be granted public access?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What good does it do to state on an e-mail list populated by guide 
>>>>>> dog
>>>>>> users who already presumably know their rights under the ADA, that
>>>>>> "Service dog" tags are not required for public access, while Lt. Dan
>>>>>> DeSousa is quoted in the public media stating the exact opposite?
>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>
>>>>>> you should try to interest the TV news organization in airing a 
>>>>>> debate
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the subject of public access by persons with disabilities accompanied
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> service animals between Lt. Dan DeSousa and yourself or some other
>>>>>> representative of the disability community.  And perhaps they should
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> include a user of a service rabbit and a non-disabled person who has
>>>>>> fraudulently obtained a "service dog" tag for his/her pet pit bull in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> debate as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is truly an Alice Through the Looking Glass World we live in!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>> To: "NFBnet NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:23 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Fake service dogs news story
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>> Here below is an article from a newsstory aired last night on San
>>>>>>> Diego's
>>>>>
>>>>>>> KGTV Channel 10.  It was a good piece and I wanted to share it with
>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The service animal tags issued by SD Animal Control is NOT required
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> have our guide dogs admitted into public places.  Some of us have
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> and some don't. Under ADA these tags can't be the determining factor
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> order to admit a service dog - it just lets the public know that the
>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>> has been registered with the County of San Diego as a service dog.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We experience the problem of these dogs mentioned in the story all
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> time. One of my friends was getting off the bus when a "service dog"
>>>>>>> lunged and growled not only at her guide dog, but at several
>>>>>>> passengers!
>>>>>>> The bus driver did nothing about this.  He was probably afraid of
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> sued under ADA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I personally have encountered these nasty dogs on the bus and in
>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>> buildings.  It sure is scary when all of a sudden you hear this
>>>>>>> menacing
>>>>>>> dog near you!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope the new ADA regs will help get rid of this problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Loopholes Allow Pets to Be Taken Anywhere
>>>>>>> SAN DIEGO -- We all love our pets but some people are willing to
>>>>>>> break
>>>>>>> the law so they can take their dogs with them everywhere they go.
>>>>>>> 10News
>>>>>>> reporter Rachel Bianco investigated San Diego's canine companion
>>>>>>> controversy and how it threatens the rights of people who are truly
>>>>>>> disabled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sady the miniature daschund doesn't look like your typical service
>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>> nor -- with her jumping and barking -- does she act like one, but
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> she wore a service dog vest and badge she had no trouble getting 
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> North County restaurants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tami Michaels has a legitimate disability and a legitimate service
>>>>>>> dog.
>>>>>>> She said that when Fido is a fake it poses a real problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "A lot of them don't have the right temperament to be out in 
>>>>>>> public,"
>>>>>>> Michaels said. "So, when I go in with my dog to a grocery store or a
>>>>>>> restaurant, often times these kinds of dogs will lunge and growl and
>>>>>>> snap
>>>>>
>>>>>>> at my dog."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But snapping dogs aren't the only problem. "I've seen a lot more
>>>>>>> suspicion from people where they automatically assume you are trying
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> pull something over on them," Michaels added.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lt. Dan DeSousa of the San Diego County Animal Shelter told 10News
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> California requires all service dogs wear a special tag, which can 
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> obtained at your local animal shelter by filling out a form. The 
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> problem, DeSousa said, is that there is no way to follow up on the
>>>>>>> answers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DeSousa said that when someone applies for a service dog tag the 
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> question they have to answer is if the animal is trained to perform 
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> task for the person. There is no way to verify that what they're
>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>> is true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Doctors notes and disablities, that's off limits to us," DeSousa
>>>>>>> said,
>>>>>>> "we can't ask about that, so we have to take people at their word."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far this year, the county has issued the most service dog tags --
>>>>>>> 43 --  to labradors. Chihuahuas came in second with 37 tags, beating
>>>>>>> golden retrievers which had 25.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also curiously high on the list: yorkshire terriers, pit bulls, and
>>>>>>> pugs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "There are people who want this tag just so they can take their dog
>>>>>>> wherever they want to, so they can take it into the stores,
>>>>>>> restaurants
>>>>>>> and things like that," said DeSousa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "A lot of people really just don't see anyting wrong with it I
>>>>>>> guess,"
>>>>>>> Michaels said. "They just really don't understand how much it hurts
>>>>>>> legitimate service dog teams."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having a fake service animal is a misdemeanor fraud punishable by 
>>>>>>> six
>>>>>>> months in jail or a $1,000 fine but the San Diego Sheriff's
>>>>>>> Department
>>>>>>> told 10News that it has never been enforced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right now it is simply too hard to tell whether the canine is a con.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The U.S. Justice Department is currently looking to tighten the 
>>>>>>> rules
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>>>> service animals. The new guidelines under review would exclude
>>>>>>> reptiles,
>>>>>>> amphibians, rodents, farm animals, ferrets and rabbits. A final
>>>>>>> decision
>>>>>>> is expected by the end of the year.
>>>>>>> Copyright 2009 by 10News.com. All rights reserved. This material may
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed
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