[nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguidedog policy does not discriminate

Marsha queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com
Sat Feb 21 22:06:43 UTC 2009


I think your mixing up the difference between a persons self image about
them selves being blind, and there choice to use a folding cane or a
straight cane. Perhaps a person who is completely okay with there blindness
uses a folding cane, does that mean they are not what they think as okay
with there blindness? I think not, it is a preference. I know I like using a
folding cane, for the fact that it is easier to put away and does not take
up as much room. But it has NOTHING to do with my self image as a blind
person, or as a 5'4 foot tall person, or that I have brown hair, or any
thing. It is a choice, that is all. Just like us that use guide dogs, that
is a preference. 

JMHO
Marsha

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Just that, it undeniably says I am blind and I can't and won't hide 
it.  Some people want to carry a folding cane and put it away 
whenever possible.  The long white cane makes that not possible.  For 
many people carrying that cane is tied to their own self acceptance 
of their blindness.

Dave

At 10:08 AM 2/21/2009, you wrote:
>What exactly do you mean by "the cane is the ultimate symbol of blindness"?
>
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>Alysha:
>
>As I have tried to say in another message, cane travel at NFB centers
>is there in part to accomplish other goals besides just literally
>teaching cane travel.  The cane is the ultimate symbol of blindness,
>and learning to carry it with confidence is where the rubber hits the
>road for most newly blind persons.
>
>Most people think the dog does more than he/she does, but they think
>it nonetheless.  I suspect some blind persons attribute more to the
>dog then they should too.  So, they wouldn't be developing confidence
>in their own skills.
>
>People from the dog community should come together and start a
>dog-oriented center I think!
>
>Dave
>
>At 07:07 PM 2/20/2009, you wrote:
> >As others have mentioned in their posts, I think we need to consider
> >that much more than just cane travel is offered at training centers.
> >So say there's a guide dog user who is comfortable with mobility but
> >who needs some work on cooking or technology or braille. Then, there
> >doesn't seem to be a program out there this person could attend to
> >learn the necessary skills without risking damage to their
> >relationship with their dog. I do think that cane travel is quite
> >important and that all guide dog users should be comfortable with
> >it, but it seems like all the training centers I've heard about
> >mandate it as the only means of mobility to be used during the time
> >one is there. So I suppose I'm wondering why there are no programs
> >(that I know of) that accommodate the potential needs of guide dog
> >users instead of expecting them to essentially temporarily give up
> >their chosen mobility aid. The important thing is that we can get
> >around independently, not whether we do so with a dog or a cane. Why
> >is it that people seem to link mobility classes only with cane
> >travel? I think a guide dog user could still benefit from mobility
> >lessons that aren't focused on the training of the dog. The problem
> >solving and orientation skills taught in good mobility programs are
> >useful to you no matter what mobility aid you use. So I think it is
> >fair for a program to demand competency with a cane, but I do not
> >think that it is right to restrict the choices of guide dog users to
> >either doing without training in the myriad of skills taught at
> >centers or giving up the use of their dogs for a significant
> >fraction of the day.
> >
> >Alysha
> >
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