[nagdu] O&M, Ownership, & Leader

Angie Matney leadinglabbie at mpmail.net
Wed Feb 25 16:40:21 UTC 2009


Hi Marion,

The school I was wondering about was GDD, Guide Dogs of the Desert. They have undergone many changes recently, and I was wondering if this affected their ownership policy.

Thanks,

Angie

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:12:53 -0500, Marion & Martin wrote:

>Angie,
>    A message has been sent to Guide Dogs for the Blind (GDB) asking about 
>their ownership policy. we will let you know what reply we get.

>Fraternally,
>Marion


>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Angie Matney" <angie.matney at gmail.com>
>To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M, Ownership, & Leader


>>
>> Hi Marion,
>>
>> Neither GDB nor GDD transfers ownership upon graduation. GDB offers the 
>> handler the opportunity to apply for ownership after a year of successful 
>> partnership. I don't know about Guide Dogs of the Desert.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Angie
>>
>>
>> -original message-
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M, Ownership, & Leader
>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>> Date: 02/25/2009 8:14 AM
>>
>> Lora,
>>    to the best of my knowledge, all schools except Leader and Guiding Eyes
>> transfers ownership upon graduation. If anyone has information different
>> than this, please share it with the list.
>>
>> Fraternally,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Lora and Myrtle" <blindhistory at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M, Ownership, & Leader
>>
>>
>>> Marion it is true that Leader Dogs gives you a probationary ownership of
>>> your dog for two years. What schools besides the seeing eye give 
>>> ownership
>>> right after graduation?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Marion & Martin
>>> <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joy,
>>>>   I heard that, as well. I also know, however, that Leader Dogs does not
>>>> currently give ownership upon graduation, opting for a "probationary
>>>> lease".
>>>> I feel this change is regressive and reactive. Interestingly, when they
>>>> attended our convention in 2007 after they changed their policy, they 
>>>> did
>>>> not share this with the members. Were they trying to hide it?They tell
>>>> their
>>>> graduates that this is the current trend with all of the guide dog
>>>> schools.
>>>> It sounds as if they aren't being completely forthright!
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally,
>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry and Joy Relton" <
>>>> relton30857 at cox.net>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>>>> <
>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguidedog
>>>> policydoesnotdiscriminate
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For my own education, am I correct that Leader Dog will give cane travel
>>>>> instruction to assist students enrolled in their training in improving
>>>>> their
>>>>> orientation and mobility? I thought I read that some where.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Marsha
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:50 AM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguidedog policydoes
>>>>> notdiscriminate
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No school is going to admit it, but yes there are schools in which do
>>>>> not
>>>>> require such orientation like GDB and Seeing Eye does. But of course it
>>>>> all
>>>>> depends on the person too. Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Nicole B. Torcolini
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:46 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guidedog 
>>>>> policydoes
>>>>> notdiscriminate
>>>>>
>>>>> This also raises an interesting question. Supposedly, if the person
>>>>> needs
>>>>> more mobility training, the dog guide school would not have admitted
>>>>> them.
>>>>> In other words, are some dog guide schools not strict enough on their
>>>>> mobility requirements?
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarah baebler" <
>>>>> wolvessarah at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:15 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guidedog 
>>>>> policydoes
>>>>> not
>>>>>
>>>>> discriminate
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The way I took it was that they weren't leaving her out but wanted her
>>>>> to
>>>>> get the fundamentals of cane travel before using the dog as a mobility
>>>>> aid.
>>>>> Just like in the center they want you to use the cane before if you 
>>>>> have
>>>>> a
>>>>> dog use that.  At GDB they test us to make sure we have good cane 
>>>>> travel
>>>>> before we're accepted into the program so I don't see why she was anti
>>>>> trying.  I don't want to give up traveling with Dante all the time but 
>>>>> I
>>>>> would if I was being taught on cane travel.  Even in a new area I go 
>>>>> out
>>>>> with a cane and learn the area before I take my dog.  I just think they
>>>>> could have made a plan.  To work with the cane even if she had the dog
>>>>> with
>>>>> her, or use the cane one week the dog the next.  I just think if your
>>>>> learning cane travel then use the cane.  I agree that she shouldn't 
>>>>> have
>>>>> just left the dog home for the 6 months, or not use the dog at all. I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> know maybe I misinterpreded the article but that's what I got from
>>>>> it. I also think people are too eager to sue sometimes instead of
>>>>> working
>>>>> things out.
>>>>> Sarah and Dante
>>>>>
>>>>> From: queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:40:54 -0500
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide dog
>>>>>> policydoes
>>>>>> not discriminate
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not understand myself. How is this center any different than one
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> training centers? Even people who attend our centers can use their
>>>>>> dogs.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> understand the need to learn to use the cane, but if that person
>>>>>> chooses
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> use a dog then so be it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do we always have to put the cane users against the guide dog
>>>>>> users? Marsha
>>>>>>
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