[nagdu] Woman sues for 10M for being denied subway rides with dog

Dan Weiner dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net
Mon Jan 5 19:20:43 UTC 2009


She sounds like a lovely charming lady--grin.
All I can say is this:
After reading articles in which parrot-owners, monkey-owners, and now this
gal sue and are pretty up-front and uncompromising to say the least, I have
to ask myself:  If we guide dog users took no nonsense, would taxi access,
restaurant access issues and so on, be things of the past?

It seems to me like we're all, I mean guide dog users,  spending an
inordinate amount of time bending over backwards to be "understanding" of
anyone who screws with our access rights.
These characters, however,  don't seem to have any  such qualms.

We spend an inordinate time "educating and not litigating".  
We all want to "not make a bad impression" and so on.  Obviously, I
personally am not arguing that we should be mean-spirited nasty people, but
I have to wonder if we shouldn't take a lesson from some of these guys whose
animals are perhaps of questionable legitimacy.  Meanwhile, guide dogs have
been around in the US for eighty years and we still have access issues up
the wazoo.  Try taking a cab in some areas of Maryland and you'll find out
what I mean.

Dan W. and the hounds 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Tracy Carcione
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 1:02 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Woman sues for 10M for being denied subway rides with
dog

Great.  Ben and I could run in to this moose.  And where the heck does he
sit?  I guess it's like the 500-pound gorrilla joke:  Anywhere he wants." 
I have to work to keep Ben safely out of the way on a crowded bus or train,
and he's half that dog's size.  Sounds sorta like this lady just likes
pushing people around.  And it goes after elderly cancer patients? 
Boy oh boy.
Tracy

> Woman sues for 10M for being denied subway rides with dog
>
> BY JOHN MARZULLI
>
> DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
>
>
>
> Sunday, January 4th 2009, 4:54 AM
>
>
>
> Estelle Stamm rides No. 5 train with her giant dog, Wargas. The 
> Manhattan woman has been diagnosed with posttraumatic stress disorder.
>
> DeCrescenzo for News
>
>
>
> Estelle Stamm rides No. 5 train with her giant dog, Wargas. The 
> Manhattan woman has been diagnosed with posttraumatic stress disorder.
>
>
>
> A woman who claims her 120-pound dog is protection from childhood 
> memories of sex abuse is in a big-bucks battle with
>
> NYC Transit
>
>  over whether the animal can ride the rails.
>
>
>
> Estelle Stamm
>
> , 65, won $10,000 from the city after two cops gave her a ticket for 
> bringing the pony-sized dog into a subway station.
>
>
>
> Now she's going for $10 million in a federal suit that argues Wargas, 
> her service dog, is protected under the Americans With Disabilities Act.
>
>
>
> "These sons of bitches don't like to be told what to do," Stamm told 
> the Daily News as she waited for a federal judge to decide whether the 
> suit should
>
> be tossed.
>
>
>
> "I don't have a choice. I need my dog. And they [NYC Transit] don't 
> have a choice, either. They have to follow the law."
>
>
>
> Transit lawyers have recently taken the position that Stamm - who has 
> been diagnosed with posttraumatic stress disorder and has partial 
> hearing loss - is
>
> not really disabled.
>
>
>
> Their legal papers draw on 8,000 pages of Stamm's Internet postings, 
> in which she suggests Wargas' breed - livestock guardian dog - is 
> dangerous.
>
>
>
> "Livestock guard dogs in the subways is a wonderful sight to behold. 
> The seas of people part before us," the former ad agency manager 
> boasted in a 1998
>
> posting.
>
>
>
> In other postings, Stamm discussed dog-on-dog attacks involving her 
> previous service dog, Mishka, a Caucasian Ovcharka that died of cancer 
> last month.
>
>
>
> She described livestock dogs as genetically wired with "tremendous 
> killing power" and said Mishka could be aggressive toward elderly 
> cancer patients because
>
> "she can smell death, and she doesn't want it near her."
>
>
>
> Stamm, who lives near Union Square, sued the city in federal court in
> 2007 and got a $10,000 settlement in July. Her suit against NYC 
> Transit has been kicking
>
> around since 2004.
>
>
>
> It contends her civil rights were violated by transit workers who 
> tried to toss her and the dogs from public transportation.
>
>
>
> In 2000, a bus driver shut down on First Ave. and told the other 
> passengers they had Stamm to thank for the delay, she alleges.
>
>
>
> The announcement prompted an irate passenger to bark at her, "If I'm 
> late for work, I'll find you and kill your ... ass!" The driver was 
> later disciplined.
>
>
>
> Stamm said her stress disorder causes extreme fear of danger, severe 
> depression and confusion. The dog keeps her "in the present," warns 
> her of sirens and
>
> horns, and provides a large, furry barrier in crowded places, she said.
>
>
>
> She carries an ID card for the dog issued by NYC Transit and is 
> required only to inform employees what kind of service he provides.
>
>
>
> Being questioned about her disability - which she says is prohibited 
> by transit regulations - has triggered stress reactions, her complaint 
> says.
>
>
>
> In addition to money damages, Stamm is seeking employee retraining.
>
>
>
> "This is an easy fix, so their hostility mystifies me," Stamm said.
> "Wargas is not in the slightest bit dangerous. This is such B.S. It's 
> meant to intimidate
>
> me."
>
>
>
> NYC Transit's position is that Stamm's suit has no merit because she 
> has been inconvenienced only a handful of times and was never denied 
> access to a bus
>
> or subway.
>
>
>
> Craig Borne, Esq.
>
> Equal Opportunity Specialist
>
> Disability Program Manager
>
>
>
> National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
>
> Office of Civil Rights
>
> 1200 New Jersey Avenue, Southeast
>
> Suite W43-321
>
> Washington, DC 20590
>
>
>
> Office : (202) 493-0627
>
> Fax: (202) 493-2990
>
> Email: craig.borne at dot.gov <mailto:craig.borne at dot.gov>
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