[nagdu] [SPAM][SPAM]Re: Pooper Scooper Laws

Wed Jan 21 17:34:31 UTC 2009

Hi Rebecca,
No, I didn't get the joke about the ski patrol - tell me about the movie you 
mentioned that was from the 1980s!

Cheers,

Linda and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IT)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] [SPAM][SPAM]Re: Pooper Scooper Laws

> Linda,
> Since you're going to the police academy, I'd only ask that you don't
> forget to stop by the ski patrol as well.
> A little 1980's movie humor for those of you who don't get my joke.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:52 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [SPAM][SPAM]Re: Pooper Scooper Laws
>
> Thanks for the support, Craig.
>
> I did go to the police station and the desk cop thought it was rediculus
> that I was even sited in the first place.  Anyway, because I produced a
> copy of the law, the police have decided to void the citation. However,
> I will be working to educate the police in how to deal with blind
> people.
>
> As far as the blind people being exempt from the law goes, I didn't
> write it - it's been that way forever. I, and the rest of the guide dog
> users I know, observe the law - picking up and throwing it away - we
> like having the exemption as a "safety net" for the rare time that we
> have to leave the bagged poop under a tree, bush, or in the gutter.
>
> I think it is a positive thing to use anything as an opportunity to
> educate people.  Sometimes good things come in very strange and
> unexpected ways.  We have to think outside the box at times. (smile)
> Sometimes we get caught up in form rather than the substance of things.
>
> Now, the blind guy whose cane got run over by a bike, he went about it
> the wrong way.  He ranted like a madman, continued after he found out
> that the cop was talking to him and even got more violent. As a result,
> the blind guy got thrown to the ground, got a cut ear, damage to his
> Braille& Speak, cuffed and hauled off to jail.  Nobody learned anything
> from what he did.
> Except that the blind are crazy and not worthy of equal treatment to
> sighted people.  Remember, we all get "painted" by the same brush of
> ignorance and that keeps us where we are in society - unemployed and
> subject to paternalism.  We have to show folks that we blind are just
> like them in all ways except that our eyes don't work.
>
> I remained calm and respectful - even though the cop was a jerk - and
> got a citation anyway.  Hopefully, with the help of our local blind
> community, we will be able to go to the Police Academy to educate cops
> in training - make it a positive thing.  They can then learn to
> understand blindness better and that makes us look good.
>
> Linda and Landon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craig Borne" <cjborne at comcast.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [SPAM][SPAM]Re: Pooper Scooper Laws
>
>
>> Wayne, Linda, and others:
>>
>> I really see Linda's situation as an opportunity, no matter the cause
> for
>> the opportunity.  Some on this list may be opposed to blind exemptions
> in
>> "pooper scooper" laws, while others could frankly care less.  The
> issue
>> isn't that Linda is exempt from the law (or whether she should be
> exempt
>> from the law), but instead, it is that the police (1) did not identify
>> themselves as officers; (2) frankly questioned the legitimacy of her
>> blindness; (3) refused to assist her before issuing a citation; and
> (4)
>> were
>> flat-out ignorant of the city's laws.
>>
>> Frankly, I am not insulted by blind exemptions to these laws because
> it is
>> not going to affect whether or not I pick up my dog's waste.  But
> don't
>> come
>> down on Linda for finding opportunity where only ignorance once
> resided.
>> If
>> more of us identified opportunities such as this, instead of bitching
>> about
>> parental and patronizing laws, we could make more headway.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> Craig Borne, Esq.
>> Baltimore, Maryland
>> "A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial
>> appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in
>> defense of custom."  --Thomas Paine, Common Sense
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
>> Of wcmerritt at gmail.com
>> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 5:43 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [SPAM][SPAM]Re: [nagdu] Pooper Scooper Laws
>>
>> Linda:
>>
>> I understand what you're saying here about the cops and other
>> officials needing to know about guide dogs and the blind in general.
>> Again, not sure i'd approach their education on the level of pooper
>> scoopper laws. In my humble opinion, if you're going to go to the
>> trouble of picking up the mess, it follows that you're also going to
>> throw it away. You say that you don't have pockets readily available,
>> or don't want to put the stuff in your pocket, then carry the bag. I
>> know that carrying, um, crap, isn't the most desirable thing, but by
>> your own admission, you didn't know where the trash can was. It seems
>> logical that you would carry it then until you found one. We may have
>> to agree to disagree on this.
>>
>> On the issue of education, I applaud you for wanting to educate. In
>> fact, you might consider seeing if you could get into one of the
>> police academy classes. Perhaps with each group of new students,
>> there's a day or several days when several blind people go to the
>> academy to demonstrate and educate. For officers coming out of the
>> academy this would address their lack of knowledge. I've done this
>> when I was a student at the Colorado Center. They had a deal where
>> several students and some staff went to the bus training building once
>> a month to talk to new bus drivers, in order to make them aware of
>> what to do when you meet a blind person. Perhaps you could do
>> something like this, but with the police.
>>
>> Again, I know you have to start somewhere, I'm just not sure that your
>> pooper scoopper issue is the right place to start, especially since
>> you have the option of either leaving the mess or picking it up and
>> properly disposing of it, rather than arguing over who's exempt and
>> who's responsibility it is for what.
>>
>> Humbly,
>> Wayne
>>
>> On 1/16/09, lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com <lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com>
> wrote:
>>> Wayne,
>>> I was the originator of the pooper scooper thing. I didn't have a
> pocket
>> to
>>> put the poop into!  Ladies don't really want to do that as much as
> guys
>>> won't mind doing that.
>>>
>>> The primary issue here is that cops being clueless about blind people
> has
>>> been exposed by this incident of my being cited for violation of the
>> pooper
>>> scooper law.  This issue has brought to light how clueless the San
> Diego
>>> Police is when dealing with a blind person. About six months ago, a
> cane
>>> using member of our blind community was out on an errand when a bike
>>> rider
>>> ran over his white cane.  Now, this guy is an idiot and he began
> ranting
>> and
>>> raving and cussing.  From what I heard, some passersby called the
> police
>> but
>>> they didn't assist the blind guy.  The cop came and never did
> identify
>>> himself to the blind guy as a police officer. The blind guy continued
> to
>> be
>>> out of control.  The cop asked this totally blind guy to identify the
>
>>> bike
>>> rider!  Well this spun the blind guy into orbit and he REALLY got out
> of
>>> control then.  The blind guy was clearly out of line and he does have
> a
>> bad
>>> anger management problem.  Many of us cringe when he's around because
> we
>>> don't want to be painted with the same brush as he is - all blind
> people
>> act
>>> alike! - it's bad!
>>>
>>> The point here is here are two blind people, within six months of
> each
>>> other, who have had cops have no clue about that blind people
> generally
>>> don't see like the cop sees.  The guy was to visually identify the
> bike
>>> rider with totally blind eyes.  I was asked to gain normal sight to
> see
>> for
>>> myself where a trash can was.
>>>
>>> The San Diego Police clearly aren't getting ANY disability or
> blindness
>>> education in the Police Acadamy.  This needs to be changed.  What
> else
>>> are
>>> they clueless on - a diabetic in an extreme high or low sugar
> episode?  A
>>> deaf person who failed to hear the cop yell "Stop!"?  A person with
>> epilepsy
>>> having a seizure and the cop thinks he's just drunk or high on drugs?
>
>>> The
>>> cops need to know aboout these things because it could mean life or
> death
>>> for the disabled person.
>>>
>>> Linda and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Lora and Myrtle" <blindhistory at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pooper Scooper Laws
>>>
>>>
>>>>I also put "presents" in my pocket if I can't find a trash can.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:28 PM, <wcmerritt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If I can't find a trash can or know that there's not one nearby,
> then
>>>>> I'll put the bag in my pocket for later disposal or use the direct
>>>>> approach. This means I'll walk up to an unsuspecting sighted
> person,
>>>>> hold the bag up, and ask them if they know where a trash is, or I
>>>>> might even ask if they want to direct me to a trashcan or take my
>>>>> "present." This has worked so far. I think that if I were in the
>>>>> incident mentioned originally, I'd just put the bag in my jacket
>>>>> pocket and wait until I reached a trash can. Though it does sound
> like
>>>>> a no win situation since both the woman and the "officer" refused
> to
>>>>> help. If I were in that situation though and two different people
>>>>> refused to help, I'd probably just drop it, since I could always
>>>>> dispose of it later.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact, I found myself in a similar situation not long ago when my
>>>>> dog decided to leave a present on the sidewalk on the way to the
> bus
>>>>> transit center. I picked up the mess and then not knowing where the
>>>>> trash can was, I just put it in my jacket pocket. The pocket can
> zip
>>>>> shut, so I figured that the smell would stay inside the pocket,
> which
>>>>> it did. If anyone smelled it on the bus, there was no comment. I
>>>>> actually started to grin since I wondered if anyone could smell it,
>>>>> and if so, if they were looking at people's shoes, and then
> wondering
>>>>> where the smell was coming from. I eventually disposed of the
> present
>>>>> when I got to work, putting it in an outside trash can near the
> door
>>>>> to my office.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can understand the person's points in the original situation and
>>>>> that there's definitely a lack of education, I'm just not sure that
>>>>> I'd push an issue like this. Educating on topics like blind people
>>>>> have an know how to use guide dogs, Braille, equal treatment, etc,
>>>>> seem like better starting points than whether or not we're exempt
> from
>>>>> having to pick up the poop or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my thoughts,
>>>>> Wayne
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/14/09, lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com <lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Rebecca,
>>>>> > Tomorrow, when I go to the Humane Society to do our pet
> visitation,
>>>>> > I'll
>>>>> go
>>>>> > across the courtyard to the Animal Control to get copies of the
> law.
>> I
>>>>> just
>>>>> > happened to think about that police station I pass on my way
> home.
>>>>> > I'll
>>>>> > stop in there armed with my copy of the law and the citation and
> I'll
>>>>> > see
>>>>> if
>>>>> > they'll overturn it and have this over and done with.  I might
> still
>> go
>>>>> to
>>>>> > Mike Turko and our CCB chapter to see what can be done to prevent
>>>>> > another
>>>>> > local guide dog user from having this headache.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Linda and Landon
>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> > From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M. (TASCSD)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
>>>>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>>>>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:38 PM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pooper Scooper Laws
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Linda Along with the dogs, Landon also got to meet a pig. I'm
> sorry.
>>>>> >> Do check out the link I sent you.
>>>>> >> My other question is why NFB isn't doing more to educate police
>>>>> >> officers.
>>>>> >> In the two guide dog discrimination cases I was involved with,
> the
>>>>> >> police were useless and treated it as a civil matter, not an aDA
>>>>> >> issue.
>>>>> >> The first officer had never heard of the Ada, and the second
> time,
>> the
>>>>> >> officer responding had maybe heard of it but didn't know "how it
>>>>> >> applied
>>>>> >> here".
>>>>> >> It seems likeNFB could learn from the gay and lesbian
> communities,
>> and
>>>>> >> also the transgender community on issues dealing with the
> police.
>>>>> >> Why can't a course be part of the police academy training?
>>>>> >> This seems to be a problem NFB has no interest in. Why?
>>>>> >> Lastly Linda, have you contacted the police chieff, the mayor,
> (who
>>>>> >> I
>>>>> >> think appoints the police chief), and also the sheriff? Both
>>>>> >> themayor
>>>>> >> and sheriff are elected officials andshould by the nature of
> their
>>>>> >> position respond to you.
>>>>> >> In my situations, I did everything I suggested with good
> results,
>>>>> >> though
>>>>> >> my criteria for "good' is limited in that I haven't had any
> guide
>>>>> >> dog
>>>>> >> discrimination issues, or dealings with the police.
>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
>>>>> >> Behalf Of lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com
>>>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:20 PM
>>>>> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pooper Scooper Laws
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi Rebecca,
>>>>> >> That was funny about the Democrats and Republicans.  Actually,
> the
>>>>> >> rally
>>>>> >> was a bipartisan one - No on Prop 8 Marriage Equality For All
>>>>> >> Campaign.
>>>>> >> If I can enjoy marriage, so should my gay and lesbian brothers
> and
>>>>> >> sisters. Landon loves those rallies and marches - lots of nice
> dogs
>> to
>>>>> >> meet! (smile!)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.  That's funny about your
> dog
>>>>> >> pooping near a Democrat's sign.  Maybe other dogs did the same
> and
>>>>> >> he
>>>>> >> smelled it and added his own commentary.  I'm a lifelong
> Democrat
>>>>> >> but
>>>>> >> I
>>>>> >> function more like an Independent.  I have worked for
> Republicans
>>>>> >> who
>>>>> >> were more progressive.
>>>>> >> There haven't been many of those because of the neoconservatives
> and
>>>>> >> other fanatics who have commendeered the Republican Party over
> the
>>>>> >> last
>>>>> >> 30 years!
>>>>> >> I did vote for the Republican in this year's City Attorney race
>>>>> >> because
>>>>> >> I thought the Democratic incumbant was an idiot.  (grin!)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Well, one way or another, I will both fight the citation and
> educate
>>>>> >> folks.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Regards,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Linda and Landon
>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M. (TASCSD)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
>>>>> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>>>>> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 9:22 AM
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pooper Scooper Laws
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> Linda,
>>>>> >>> Know too that the policeman may indeed be a Democrat, who was
> upset
>>>>> >>> at
>>>>> >>> your dog's comment on the event.
>>>>> >>> My previous Leader Dog without fail would always take me to a
>>>>> >> Republican
>>>>> >>> sign, and she would poop near Democrat ones.
>>>>> >>> I have no idea how she knew.
>>>>> >>> Maybe your dog is the Rrepublican and was displeased about the
>> rally?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> >>> Behalf Of Marion & Martin
>>>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 9:05 AM
>>>>> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users
>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pooper Scooper Laws
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Linda,
>>>>> >>>    First, I would like to say that I don't think blind people
>>>>> >>> should
>>>>> >> be
>>>>> >>> exempt from such laws. On the contrary, I think we need to be
> more
>>>>> >>> diligent, since we are more likely than the sighted to have our
>
>>>>> >>> dogs
>>>>> >> in
>>>>> >>> public. That said, it sounds as if the officers didn't know you
>
>>>>> >>> were
>>>>> >>> blind due to their ignorance, not to mention their
> insensitivity.
>>>>> >>>    I believe you are taking the correct action by going to the
> PD
>> and
>>>>> >>> your ADA coordinator's office. It sounds as if you have a just
>>>>> >>> cause
>>>>> >> to
>>>>> >>> fight the citation should you need to take it to court, as
>>>>> >> inaccessible
>>>>> >>> as that may be. Now, this sounds like a story: Blind woman
> cited
>>>>> >>> for
>>>>> >>> pooper scooper violation can't have her day in court because
> she
>>>>> >>> can't
>>>>> >>> get there! (smile) I do think, though, that making a media
> issue of
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >>> citation in spite of the laws exemption would not serve our
> mission
>>>>> >>> well, as it would send the message that the blind are incapable
> of
>>>>> >>> performing this simple task.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> fraternally,
>>>>> >>> marion
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>> From: <lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com>
>>>>> >>> To: "NFBnet NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
> Guide
>> Dog
>>>>> >>> Users"
>>>>> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:44 PM
>>>>> >>> Subject: [nagdu] Pooper Scooper Laws
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> Hi All,
>>>>> >>>> I recently got cited by the police for violating San Diego's
>> "pooper
>>>>> >>>> scooper law".  Both our county and city laws exempt blind
> people.
>>>>> >>> Curious
>>>>> >>>> to know if anyone else has had this problem?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I was at a political rally at our County Administration
> Building
>>>>> >>>> last
>>>>> >>>> Saturday.  Landon took a dump on the grass near the street, I
>> picked
>>>>> >>> it up
>>>>> >>>> with a baggie, and put the package under a nearby bush out of
> the
>>>>> >> way.
>>>>> >>> I
>>>>> >>>> wasn't able to find a trash can to throw it away in.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I was talking to a lady who is in my Democratic Party club
> when a
>>>>> >>>> man
>>>>> >>> came
>>>>> >>>> up to me to tell me I had to throw the poop in a trash can.  I
>
>>>>> >>>> told
>>>>> >>> him
>>>>> >>>> that I was blind and can't find a trash can and asked him to
> show
>> me
>>>>> >>> to
>>>>> >>>> one and I'd be happy to do that.  He said that I had to do it
>> myself
>>>>> >>> and
>>>>> >>>> that he wasn't going to help me find a can.  He then asked me
> for
>> my
>>>>> >>> ID.
>>>>> >>>> Then I asked him who he was.  He answered " San Diego Police".
> I
>>>>> >>> again
>>>>> >>>> told him that I was blind and needed his help to find a trash
> can
>> to
>>>>> >>> throw
>>>>> >>>> the poop into.  Again, he said that I had to do this myself.
> The
>>>>> >>> lady's
>>>>> >>>> kid offered to throw it away for me but the police had my ID
> and
>>>>> >>>> they
>>>>> >>>> wrote me a citation for "Dog Nuisence" and that I was to
> appear in
>>>>> >>> Traffic
>>>>> >>>> Court (in an inaccessible location) in March.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> The lady I was with said that I could have avoided the ticket
> if I
>>>>> >> was
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> real polite and begging for help from him.  I did tell the
> police
>>>>> >>> officer
>>>>> >>>> that I was exempt from the County's law and most likely, the
> San
>>>>> >> Diego
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> city law.  So, this lady wasn't at all sympathetic to me on
> this.
>>>>> >> She
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> even has a disabled son!  I was not angry or disrespectful to
> the
>>>>> >> cop.
>>>>> >>> I
>>>>> >>>> just stated facts and didn't grovel.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I went home after the event and called the police department
> to
>>>>> >>>> place
>>>>> >>> a
>>>>> >>>> complaint against an officer because he was totally
> insensitive to
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> fact that I couldn't find the trash can due to my blindness
> and
>>>>> >>>> for
>>>>> >>> his
>>>>> >>>> failure to identify himself - I thought I was talking to just
>>>>> >>>> another
>>>>> >>>> person at the rally who objected to my putting the dog crap
> under
>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>> >>>> bush.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I got a call back from the seargent and it turned out that the
>
>>>>> >>>> same
>>>>> >>>> seargent was there!  He didn't identify himself to me either!
> The
>>>>> >>>> seargent said that he observed me letting Landon defecate, saw
> me
>>>>> >>>> competently pick it up, and throw it under the bush.  He
> wondered
>>>>> >> why,
>>>>> >>> if
>>>>> >>>> I was really blind, how could I know where the pile was to
> pick
>>>>> >>>> up.
>>>>> >> I
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> told him that we are all trained in the arts of picking up dog
>>>>> >>>> crap -
>>>>> >>> it
>>>>> >>>> was part of the curriculum of the guide dog schools.  He was
>>>>> >> surprized
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> that the blind could learn how to find the pile their dog
> leaves.
>>>>> >>>> So
>>>>> >>> that
>>>>> >>>> told me that not only did he not know the law, he didn't know
>>>>> >> anything
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> about blind people either.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I called the office of our City Disability Coordinator and
> have
>>>>> >>>> not
>>>>> >>> heard
>>>>> >>>> back from them yet.  I called my City Council member's office
> and
>>>>> >>> talked
>>>>> >>>> to somebody there.  They thought that I would still have to go
> to
>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>> >>>> inaccessible Traffic Court, or maybe, they could come to a
>>>>> >>>> downtown
>>>>> >>>> location that I could get to.  He was going to check on that
> and
>> get
>>>>> >>> back
>>>>> >>>> to me. He also said he knew of someone at the Police
> Department
>>>>> >>>> who
>>>>> >>> dealt
>>>>> >>>> with disability issues.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Some of my friends thought I should go public with this by
>>>>> >>>> contacting
>>>>> >>> a
>>>>> >>>> lawyer on KSUI-TV named Mike Turko.  He has a segment
> called"Turko
>>>>> >>> Files"
>>>>> >>>> and he gets contacted by lots of people with all kinds of
> problems
>>>>> >> and
>>>>> >>> he
>>>>> >>>> helps the problems to be solved and goes public with them.  My
> CCB
>>>>> >>> (ACB)
>>>>> >>>> chapter members went to him about SD TRansit refusing to put
> bus
>>>>> >>> changes
>>>>> >>>> and meetings in a format readable by the blind.  The website
> was
>>>>> >>>> also
>>>>> >>>> inaccessible as well.  After Turko did two seperate segments
> on
>>>>> >>> KUSI-TV on
>>>>> >>>> this, Transit made the needed changes.  I told my friends that
> I'd
>>>>> >>> save
>>>>> >>>> Turko for later if needed!
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Has anyone else had this problem and what did you do about it?
>>>>> >> Thanks.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Regards,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Linda and Landon
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