[nagdu] PETA opposes the use of guide dogs

Fri Jan 23 16:18:03 UTC 2009

Wayne, 
This is an interesting post. 
What made you decide it was time for your second guide? 
I'm currently using a cane, because like you, I don't want to deal with
the day-to-day things of having a guide dog. And like you, I like the
tactile interface with the environment. 
There have been some akward moments, but not as many as I remember from
my predog days. 
I find this an interesting topic, and if you don't mind, would like to
know what circumstances lead up to you deciding it was time for your
next dog? 
Thanks much. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Elizabeth Campbell
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:50 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] PETA opposes the use of guide dogs

Hello Wayne!

I couldnt' agree with you more when it comes to getting your second
guide.
I really like the faster movement and the fun companionship from a
guide.
It is heart-warming to see that they really enjoy their work and also
that they enjoy spending time with us.

Liz and Gabe
----- Original Message -----
From: <wcmerritt at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] PETA opposes the use of guide dogs

> And that's fine too. When I retired my first guide, I was young, in
> college, but more importantly, at that time in my life I had realized
> that i didn't want to deal with the daily stuff that goes along with
> having a dog, much less a guide dog. AS time went by when working
> without a dog, I enjoyed being able to feel my surroundings and using
> my cane. I did decide to get another guide last year though due to
> several factors. I remember one of the things that my instructor said
> to me on the first day at The Seeing Eye, when we were chatting in my
> room. He said, "You're here because you want to be here, not because
> someone told you to come or because you rushed into it." All told,
> there were 9 complete years abetween when I retired the first guide
> and when I went back for dog number 2. Take some time, go use the
> cane. Get back into being able to "feel" your environment. Who knows,
> you might find that you end up using the cane for several years before
> you go back to get your third dog, or perhaps you'll end up using a
> cane for more than that. Either way, I'm not sure anyone who has truly
> experienced one guide, can ever really not go back for another. Like
> others have said relating to other things, once you get that first sip
> or taste, you can't stop.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 1/14/09, helene ryles <dreamavdb at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Linda
>> No, Jilli is my 2nd dog. My first dog had to be rehomed because he
>> started being agressive towards children that thried to approach me.
>>    I felt very bad about this and so I really don't want to do the
>> same with Jilli.  Plus their really isn't the neccessity since Jilli
>> isn't agressive or Overprotective like Bruce was. Saying that he
>> worked for 9 and a half years which wasn't too bad considering his
>> temproment.
>>
>> I may get a 3rd dog eventually but I'm determined to try my hand with
>> the long cane first.
>>
>> Helene
>>
>> On 13/01/2009, lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com <lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> Guys, nastiness only reduces us to the level of the person we're
nasty 
>>> to.
>>>
>>> I'd say that this Daphne person is that - DAFT (nuts)!  You can't 
>>> educate
>>> them at all!  We can educate the rest of society who will then blow
off
>>> people like Daphne (smile).
>>>
>>> Linda and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Chasity Jackson" <chasityvanda at charter.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 5:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PETA opposes the use of guide dogs
>>>
>>>
>>>>I just wrote her a nasty e-mail myself. LOL.
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean they've been after us for a long time? Have they
been
>>>> successful at taking guide dogs away from their handlers?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Margo and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:01 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PETA opposes the use of guide dogs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I think she needs some emails.
>>>>>
>>>>> peta has been after us for a long time.
>>>>>
>>>>> margo and Elmo
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Chasity Jackson" <chasityvanda at charter.net>
>>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:24 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] PETA opposes the use of guide dogs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> >From an interview with Daphna Nachminovitch, Vice-President of 
>>>>>> >Cruelty
>>>>>> Investigations for PETA, in the Los Angeles Times blog L.A.
Unleashed
>>>>>> (posted 1/10/09):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [NACHMINOVITCH:] There will never be a perfect world, but in the 
>>>>>> world
>>>>>> we're in now, we support some working dog situations and decry 
>>>>>> others.
>>>>>> Hearing dog programs that pull dogs from animal shelters and
ensure
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> they are in safe and loving homes have our stamp of approval;
they 
>>>>>> live
>>>>>> with the family for their entire life, they learn interesting
things,
>>>>>> enjoy life, and love helping. On the other hand, we oppose most
>>>>>> seeing-eye-dog programs because the dogs are bred as if there are
no
>>>>>> equally intelligent dogs literally dying for homes in shelters,
they
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>
>>>>>> kept in harnesses almost 24/7, people are prohibited from petting
or
>>>>>> playing with them and they cannot romp and run and interact with 
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> dogs; and their lives are repeatedly disrupted (they are trained
for
>>>>>> months in one home and bond, then sent to a second, and after
years 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> bonding with the person they have "served," they are whisked away

>>>>>> again
>>>>>> because they are old and no longer "useful"). We have a member
who is
>>>>>> blind who actually moved states to avoid "returning" her beloved
dog.
>>>>>> We
>>>>>>
>>>>>> feel that the human community should do more to support blind
people,
>>>>>> and give dogs a break. A deaf person can see if a dog has a
medical
>>>>>> issue such as blood in her urine, a blind person living alone
cannot,
>>>>>> and so on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read the whole article (with the option to leave a comment) here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <href="
>>>>>>
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2009/01/when-we-first-r.html>
>>>>>> You can e-mail Daphna Nachminovitch at DaphnaN at peta.org
>>>>>> , or call her at 757-622-7382, extension 1338.
>>>>>>
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