[nagdu] TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison

Thu Jun 18 17:55:42 UTC 2009

Well said, 
And I don't get the linkage between "If you don't own your dog, people
will think you can't care for your children". 
Nobody except one person and he's on this list has evern made that leap
of logic  

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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of JULIE PHILLIPSON
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 8:02 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison

hello Marion and all.  I have had 3 dogs from GEB.  I have never  been
afraid of them taking my dog.  I know most of the training staff there
and I don't believe any of them would take a dog without it being a
mutual decision.  GEB's policy is  that after 2 years you can apply for
ownership if you want to.  We are asked to fill out a health and work
report but it is not mandatory.  If you fill one out you get help with
vet expenses of $300 if you do not you get help of $250 per year again,
if you want to take advantage of it No one forces you to use that money
and I guess there are a lot of folks that do not.  .  There are many
different training opportunities.  There are 2 instructors to 6 students
accept for the NYC trip which is one on one.  There is 1. home training,
2. half at school and half at home training, and the whole course of 19
for retrains or 26 days at the training center in Yorktown Heights for
new students.  About the dog that is under two years old I believe it is
taken back to school and retrained if possible and given to someone else
and if it must be re leased it is treated like a release dog from the
program that is, release dogs are first offered to the puppy raiser
before being on the adoption list which is a mile long.  By the way I
have had 2 dogs that I have kept with me until it was time for them to
go  and I intend to do that with Brewster unless something should happen
before that that makes it impossible for him to stay with me.  .  I have
never been pressured to retire my dog at a certain time although they do
suggest by the age of 10 to start thinking about it.  When they turn 10
and every birthday after that Brewster gets a birthday card and a
present from GEB not that he needs any more toys!  If someone decids to
retire their dog and are not able to find a good home GEB will help to
find a home for the dog  again only if you want them too.  Hope this
helps to make it more clear.  I hope Marion that you would consider
dropping this issue and stop pounding fear into perspective guide dog
users minds.
Julie Phillipson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison

> Ann,
>    This is not my understanding. I will need to look into this more 
> closely, as this was the last report on ownership I had from them.
>
> Fraternally,
> Marion
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angie Matney" <angie.matney at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison
>
>
>> Hello Marion,
>>
>>
>> Grads can receive ownership of their GEB dogs after two years. I 
>> don't know about any reports the school might ask the person to file 
>> after that.
>>
>> Angie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Marion & Martin
>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 7:47 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison
>>
>> Tami,
>>    In addition to "urban training", please ask your friend to 
>> consider the two schools' ownership policies. The Seeing Eye grants -

>> and always has for the past eighty years - full ownership upon 
>> graduation. On the other hand, Guiding Eyes for the blind does not 
>> grant ownership throughout the life of the guide. In fact, even after

>> retirement, students are required to submit annual vetrinarian 
>> reports to the school. HTH!
>>
>> Marion
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 3:26 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison
>>
>>
>>> Hey, all.  A friend was asking me some questions about guide dog 
>>> schools,
>>> and I had no clue to the answers, so I thought I would ask.  She
wanted
>>> to
>>> know how Guiding Eyes and TSE compare when it comes to urban
training 
>>> for
>>> both dog and handler, since both are near NYC.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Has anyone been to both schools?  How would you compare the two?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>
>>>
>>>
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