[nagdu] TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison

Thu Jun 25 15:15:12 UTC 2009

Marion, 
The way you present the if-then statement in the below email does indeed
make sense.  

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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Marion & Martin
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:29 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison

Rebecca,
    You seem to have a knack for the abrasive as well as for
misrepresenting one's statements. In the interest of accuracy, I believe
that what I said regarding the "linkage" you mention is that, if we have
the ability to raise our children without interference, we have the
ability to own and care for a dog without the interference or
supervision of the guide dog school. The purpose of drawing this
connection is, as many are well aware, because some states have
attempted to remove children from their parents simply due to the fact
that the parents are blind. If guide dog schools do not have enough
trust in a blind person's ability to properly care for their dogs, it
reflects their lack of belief in the capacity of the blind. JMHO!

Marion Gwizdala

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison

> Well said,
> And I don't get the linkage between "If you don't own your dog, people
> will think you can't care for your children".
> Nobody except one person and he's on this list has evern made that
leap
> of logic
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of JULIE PHILLIPSON
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 8:02 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison
>
> hello Marion and all.  I have had 3 dogs from GEB.  I have never  been
> afraid of them taking my dog.  I know most of the training staff there
> and I don't believe any of them would take a dog without it being a
> mutual decision.  GEB's policy is  that after 2 years you can apply
for
> ownership if you want to.  We are asked to fill out a health and work
> report but it is not mandatory.  If you fill one out you get help with
> vet expenses of $300 if you do not you get help of $250 per year
again,
> if you want to take advantage of it No one forces you to use that
money
> and I guess there are a lot of folks that do not.  .  There are many
> different training opportunities.  There are 2 instructors to 6
students
> accept for the NYC trip which is one on one.  There is 1. home
training,
> 2. half at school and half at home training, and the whole course of
19
> for retrains or 26 days at the training center in Yorktown Heights for
> new students.  About the dog that is under two years old I believe it
is
> taken back to school and retrained if possible and given to someone
else
> and if it must be re leased it is treated like a release dog from the
> program that is, release dogs are first offered to the puppy raiser
> before being on the adoption list which is a mile long.  By the way I
> have had 2 dogs that I have kept with me until it was time for them to
> go  and I intend to do that with Brewster unless something should
happen
> before that that makes it impossible for him to stay with me.  .  I
have
> never been pressured to retire my dog at a certain time although they
do
> suggest by the age of 10 to start thinking about it.  When they turn
10
> and every birthday after that Brewster gets a birthday card and a
> present from GEB not that he needs any more toys!  If someone decids
to
> retire their dog and are not able to find a good home GEB will help to
> find a home for the dog  again only if you want them too.  Hope this
> helps to make it more clear.  I hope Marion that you would consider
> dropping this issue and stop pounding fear into perspective guide dog
> users minds.
> Julie Phillipson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison
>
>
>> Ann,
>>    This is not my understanding. I will need to look into this more
>> closely, as this was the last report on ownership I had from them.
>>
>> Fraternally,
>> Marion
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Angie Matney" <angie.matney at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison
>>
>>
>>> Hello Marion,
>>>
>>>
>>> Grads can receive ownership of their GEB dogs after two years. I
>>> don't know about any reports the school might ask the person to file
>>> after that.
>>>
>>> Angie
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Marion & Martin
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 7:47 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison
>>>
>>> Tami,
>>>    In addition to "urban training", please ask your friend to
>>> consider the two schools' ownership policies. The Seeing Eye grants
-
>
>>> and always has for the past eighty years - full ownership upon
>>> graduation. On the other hand, Guiding Eyes for the blind does not
>>> grant ownership throughout the life of the guide. In fact, even
after
>
>>> retirement, students are required to submit annual vetrinarian
>>> reports to the school. HTH!
>>>
>>> Marion
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 3:26 AM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hey, all.  A friend was asking me some questions about guide dog
>>>> schools,
>>>> and I had no clue to the answers, so I thought I would ask.  She
> wanted
>>>> to
>>>> know how Guiding Eyes and TSE compare when it comes to urban
> training
>>>> for
>>>> both dog and handler, since both are near NYC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone been to both schools?  How would you compare the two?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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