[nagdu] $150: Then & now

Margo and Elmo margo.downey at verizon.net
Wed Mar 4 19:12:07 UTC 2009


Rebecca, there are blind folks raising puppies at several of the schools or 
blind folks who are puppy club leaders.  so, why not?

does leader offer that opportunity to its blind graduates?  if not, perhaps 
you could help them progress toward that sort of thing.

Margoa nd Elmo
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IT)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] $150: Then & now


> These posts are interesting.
> Maybe it's me, but I still am not feeling the "I'm required to pay so
> this is more important".
> What *would* give me a sense of value though, and this is probably only
> me, would be to be heavily involved with raising a puppy. It would be
> good, and I don't know how to define "good" for me to see the
> incremental process from puppy to guide dog, or even potential guide
> dog.
> I'm sorry guys, I'm just not getting the self-respect, dollars and value
> linkage.
> How do those of you who weren't required to pay a little for your dogs
> feel?
> I do appreciate those of you who have responded for doing so.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Garry and Joy Relton
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:22 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] $150: Then & now
>
> Rebecca, Et Al,
>
> The Seeing Eye charges $150 for the first dog and the subsequent dogs
> only cost $50. The amount is not the issue. The issue is that the blind
> person has ownership and someone cannot come to them and say "how's our
> dog". At the time, and to some extent today. Blind persons obtained a
> great deal of charity for which people felt very ritious. "those poor
> blind people. Look how we made their lives better." The training and
> ownership of a dog helps further the goal of the Seeing Eye to give
> Dignity and Self-respect. By the way, there is no limit to the time in
> which that amount is paid.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (IT)
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 1:01 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] $150: Then & now
>
>
> Probably not much.
> I'm curious though, given the large amount the $150 was back in 1929,
> why has SeeingEye not upped their fee for obtaining a dog?
> Paying off that $150 would have been a lot harder in 1929 then it would
> today.
> Why were the early graduates of the program set to a more difficult
> standard?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:42 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] $150: Then & now
>
> Interesting.  But shouldn't it be 1929-2009?  Maybe makes no real
> difference, but 1927 was in a boom period, and 1929, when it ended, was
> the beginning of the great depression.  Rather like 2006 and 2009. Don't
> know how much inflation-deflation would take place in 2 years, though.
> Tracy
>
>
>
>> A quick visit with Google presents the following findings:
>> In 2006, $150.00 from 1927 is worth:
>> $1,740.93
>> using the
>> Consumer Price Index
>>
>> I couldn't find any data to compare to 2009 figures in the short time
>> I looked, but this would be very close.
>>
>> HTH
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:06 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] $150: Then & now
>>
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>    As is typical on this list, topics tend to repeat themselves. Some
>
>>> time ago there was a discussion of the $150 fee charged by The Seeing
>
>>> Eye.
>>> this
>>> fee has been charged since early in its history. I did a check on
>>> what the value of $150  was then (and I don't remember what year I
>>> used for
>>> "then")
>>> and now. I sent the result to the list, so someone could look in the
>>> archives for the exact amount. I remember it was more than $2000!
>>>
>>> Fraternally,
>>> Marion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Margo and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M, Ownership, & Leader
>>>
>>>
>>>> what do you mean by charging a feee for ownership.  Seeing eye
>>>> requires that we pay a fee for our dogs.  it is a small fee and I
>>>> like that we pay something.  We also aren't supposed to ask anyone
>>>> for help to pay this fee. They tqake installment payments so this
>>>> fee could be paid by anyone.
>>>> It's $150 for new students; $50 for retrains.  I personally like the
>
>>>> fact that my dog isn't given to me totally free. yes, the fee is
>>>> very, very small compared to the training costs and all that but I
>>>> like the principle of it.
>>>>
>>>> margo and Elmo
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:57 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M, Ownership, & Leader
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I don't know if there is a time limit, but sometimes dogs that get
>>>>>returned  do get placed again. At GDB, they ask if you prefer not to
>
>>>>>have a dog  that  has been returned. I know a lady who had two
>>>>>shepherds in a row that  had  been returned, and they were perfectly
>
>>>>>fine dogs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, are there any other schools that charge a fee for ownership?
>>>>> I don't really like that idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Ron Davidson" <fuzzy_1 at cox.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 6:21 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M, Ownership, & Leader
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was told that once a dog is returned it is retired or adopted out
>
>>>>> and they do not retrain and match with another student. As far as
>>>>> ownership I don't see what the big deal is if the school retains
>>>>> ownership for a year or two years. If they feel you are abusing or
>>>>> not taking care of the dog I would want them to take it. I have
>>>>> known too many people get the dog and don't follow the feeding
>>>>> guidelines and feed table scraps etc and it ruins the dogs
>>>>> digestive system and they will go for food left on floors of
>>>>> restraunts etc. To me all that does is ruin a good working dog and
>>>>> make the rest of us look bad. The school I went to kept ownership
>>>>> for two years and it was no big deal to me but everyone is
>>>>> different. I also was told  that Seeing eye gives ownership upon
>>>>> graduation when you pay a fee of 150.00 and this came from one of
>>>>> their field reps. I don't know what Leader dog does I went to
>>>>> Guiding Eyes and was very pleased with them and their follow-up.
> If
>>>>> I
>>>>> have
>>>>> a problem I gave them a call and we solved it over the phone or a
>>>>> field trainer would come down if serious enough. I know everyone
>>>>> has their own preference of schools just like me and this is just
>>>>> my opinion.
>>>>>
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