[nagdu] Lidia's question

Michael Hingson info at michaelhingson.com
Wed Mar 25 04:00:24 UTC 2009 

You have hit the nail on the head.  We are discussing this in a vacuum as we
do not know the thought behind the proposal.  In fact, the original letter
is vague and I am not sure we really know what is being proposed.

I hope Tina will provide insight after the meeting.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Lidia Schroeder
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:57 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] (no subject)

Hi all...

Some thoughts, as they may not mean a thing, since I'm a "newbie" about to
finish my internship in O&M in 1.5 weeks and I only comment because I have
looked into the program I am commenting on....
 
I'm wondering besides the monetary aspects, if it would also have anything
to do with the new master's program at SFSU with the Guide Dogs for the
Blind?  (First degree program in the world moving towards higher standards
(IDGF)for the future, just as non-COMS certified professionals, etc.)  I
know there are 2 other programs besides GDB in CA, but if CA residents were
to choose dog guides in the future or those who are moving to CA know the
new laws, perhaps they would be more inclined to receive dogs from a school
in-state than out-of-state, etc?  Which obviously, goes to money again, but
who knows.  Is there anyway of asking the reasoning or has this approach
been already taken?

As I have started getting involved in the field of vision, it's amazing to
see how many obstacles prohibit various states, organizations, counties, etc
from working together towards a common purpose.  I'm not sure if this has to
do with fighting for funds or other, but I guess I will receive various
answers the more years I am in the field.  


Thanks for your patience in my correspondence and helping me grow in
knowledge!

Lidia


----- Original Message -----
From: tina thomas  <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:02 pm
Subject: Re: [nagdu] (no subject)
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>

> 
> Mike- I agree with you. Its about the money. 
> Tina 
> 
> "Trust your own instinct. Your mistakes might as well be your own 
> instead of
> someone else's."
> - Billy Wilder
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> BehalfOf mhingson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:18 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] (no subject)
> 
> So what the heck are they trying to acomplish?  As I stated earlier 
> theywant to get money out of out of state schools doing business in 
> the state.
> Mostly this will effect fundraising and such.  This is a fruitless 
> task for
> the board to take on especially since it hasn't done anything with 
> outsideschools in sixty years.
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> BehalfOf tina thomas
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:44 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: [nagdu] (no subject)
> 
> I just received this from the CA state board. Here is the link 
> Please see
> below a link to the fact sheet on out-of-state instruction from the 
> StateBoard of Guide Dogs for the Blind.
> 
> http://www.guidedogboard.ca.gov/forms_pubs/outofstate_fact.shtml
> The text follows. 
> Tina      
> 
> 
> 
> Fact Sheet - Out-of-State Guide Dog Instruction
> Printer Friendly Version
> 
> 1. Can an out-of-state guide dog instructor who is not licensed as an
> instructor in California perform an initial interview/assessment for
> training?
> There is nothing in the Guide Dog Act that prohibits an out-of-state
> instructor who is not licensed in California as an instructor from
> performing an initial
> interview or assessment of an individual for training.
> 
> 2. Can an out-of-state guide dog instructor provide follow up 
> services?Business and Professions Code Section 7209.5 defines 
> "instructor" as a
> person who instructs blind persons in the use of guide dogs or who 
> engagesin the
> business of training, selling, hiring, or supplying guide dogs for the
> blind. Section 7210 states that "It shall be unlawful for any 
> person to
> sell, offer
> for sale, give, hire or furnish under any other arrangement, any 
> guide dog
> or seeing-eye dog or to engage in the business or occupation of 
> training any
> such dog unless he holds a valid and unimpaired license issued 
> pursuant to
> the provisions in this chapter." Follow up services would not be 
> prohibitedby state law so long as guide dog "instruction" was not 
> occurring. For
> example, a home interview or verbal assessment of the day-to-day 
> activitiesof a
> guide dog team would not be prohibited.
> 
> 3. Can I, as a California resident, go out-of-state to receive 
> guide dog
> instruction?
> Yes. The California State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind does 
> not have
> jurisdiction over guide dog instruction in any other state.
> 
> 4. If I would like to encourage my out-of-state instructor to become
> licensed, how would he or she start the process?
> If an out-of-state instructor can provide evidence that the 
> instructor has
> handled 22 man-dog unit teams (Business and Professions Code 
> Section 7209),
> the
> instructor can apply for the guide dog instructor examination. The 
> licensureprocess can be accessed on the web at
> www.guidedogboard.ca.gov
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