[nagdu] convention 2010 ???

sam sam at tcq.net
Wed Sep 23 02:20:25 UTC 2009 

Thank you Julie,

I couldn't have said it better myself.  I do not belong to either 
group.  But if the bashing keeps going on, I will probably 
unsubscribe from this list, as it serves no learning purpose.  
Thanks again for your comments, well thought out.

Regards,

Sam


> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net
>To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:33:57 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] convention 2010 ???

>Sharonda,

>Yes, exactly.  And in the recent past the ACB and NFB have worked
>cooperatively on at least one project that I can think of off the 
top of my
>head, that being access to electronic text that is already 
available
>commercially.

>Putting down the ACB is only going to serve to push us further 
apart.   I
>like the approach of starting with the things we have in common.  
I know
>there are lots of things we do agree on.  Why can't we work 
together on
>those projects?  Perhaps as some of the animosity heals we will 
be able to
>work on more and more projects together.

>We talk about the power of collective action, but it seems to me 
that we are
>deliberately and willfully cutting out a lot of folks who could 
lend a lot
>of  power to that collective.  I understand that perhaps they 
don't have the
>same understanding about blindness that the NFB does, but does 
anyone start
>out with a complete understanding of what blindness means.  
Hasn't the NFB's
>stance on things changed over the years?  Hasn't each and every 
person
>within the NFB grown and changed because of the experience?    
Does everyone
>within the NFB agree on anything?

>I don't see attending an ACB convention as a waste of money.  I 
see it as an
>opportunity to learn.  It will challenge me to think in new ways 
about
>things I may not have considered before.  I feel that I'm 
strongly rooted in
>the core beliefs of the NFB.  At this time, I have no desire to 
join the
>ACB.  But how can I really truly know if I don't have any first 
hand
>experience to draw from?

>JMHO
>Julie



>-----  Original Message -----
>From: "Sharonda Greenlaw" <sbgreenlaw at gmail.com
>To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users"
><nagdu at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:08 PM
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] convention 2010 ???


>> Marion,
>> As I re-read my email, I never said that we are working on the 
same
>> things.
>> However, I did say that we should work together.  Do we right 
now? No.  But
>> the less devisiveness there is, we can get more accomplished.

>> I'm not here to argue with you, so I'm done with this 
conversation.  And
>> no,
>> I am not aspiring to be an ACB-er.  But unity helps more things 
get done.  I
>> submit this respectfully to you and all who read.



>> On 9/22/09, Marion & Martin <swampfox1833 at verizon.net> wrote:

>>> Sharonda,
>>>   It always sounds good when people say "we ought to work 
together" or
>>> "We
>>> are all working for the same thing!" The truth of the matter is 
that the
>>> NFB
>>> and the ACB are not working for the same thing, as evidenced by 
the
>>> article
>>> I sent written by the former ACB President.  Sure, it would be 
nice if we
>>> would all work together, but the truth is that we are not all 
working for
>>> the same thing.  If we were, there wouldn't be an ACB!
>>>   The Council was formed by the American Foundation for the 
Blind and
>>> other
>>> affiliated agencies to give credence to the agency philosophy of
>>> dependency
>>> and to give their blind Uncle Toms a mouthpiece.  The ACB still 
sides with
>>> the agencies, is supportive of NAC, and works diligently to 
contradict
>>> anything the NFB does.  They tried to nix the Louis Braille 
Commemorative
>>> Coin, they fought against funding for Newsline, and they say the 
NFB is
>>> anti
>>> guide dog, to name a few.  If we are all working for the same 
thing, why
>>> did
>>> they choose to do these things? I, for one, will not compromise 
my
>>> integrity
>>> in order to work with someone or some group that contradicts my 
basic
>>> philosophy.  I am of the opinion that, if the ACB wants to work 
with the
>>> NFB,
>>> come join us! Otherwise, get out of the way!

>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala





>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharonda Greenlaw" <
>>> sbgreenlaw at gmail.com
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users" <
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] convention 2010 ???


>>> Julie,
>>>> The ACB convention is definitely here in Phoenix.  And for that 
reason
>>>> and
>>>> those that you have so aptly cited, I will also be attending 
this
>>>> convention.  Plus, it's right here in my state.


>>>> I think us working together is where we definitely need to go.  
We must
>>>> stop
>>>> being a divisive people and learn how to come together.  No, we 
don't
>>>> agree
>>>> on many things or ways of accomplishing things.  But the more we 
can work
>>>> together on, much more will be accomplished.

>>>> I don't know if the site that was asked for was given.
>>>> ACB's website is
>>>> www.acb.org
>>>> And our site is:
>>>> www.nfb.org
>>>> Have an awesome day--that's up to you!

>>>> Sharonda

>>>> On 9/22/09, Julie J <julielj at windstream.net> wrote:


>>>>> Marion,

>>>>> Have you been to an ACB convention?  Next year's is in Phoenix 
if I'm
>>>>> not
>>>>> mistaken.  I'm seriously thinking of going.  I'm very curious to 
see
>>>>> the
>>>>> differences between ACB and NFB, the organizations themselves as 
well
>>>>> as
>>>>> the
>>>>> convention experience.   I've been to a state ACB convention.  
There
>>>>> were
>>>>> differences, of course, but I think going to a national 
convention
>>>>> would
>>>>> be
>>>>> a more valuable experience to better understand ACB.

>>>>> There are so many social, legal and physical barriers to 
overcome, I'd
>>>>> so
>>>>> much like to see the two organizations work together.    I'll do 
what I
>>>>> can
>>>>> and for me I think the first step is attending an ACB national
>>>>> convention
>>>>> if
>>>>> I can to understand  what they think and why.

>>>>> Julie


>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion & Martin" <
>>>>> swampfox1833 at verizon.net
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users" <
>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:44 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] convention 2010 ???


>>>>>   The Convention of the National Federation of the Blind will be 
held

>>>>>> from July 3 - 8 at the Hilton anatole Hotel in Dallas Texas.  
The NAGDU
>>>>>> meetings will be held on Saturday, July 3 and Monday July 5.
>>>>>>  I'm not sure why you would even want to attend an ACB 
Convention?
>>>>>> They
>>>>>> are half the size of an NFB convention and are much more 
expensive to
>>>>>> attend, although they seem to offer more social functions, like 
tours,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> uninspiring, boring sessions.  If you are going to spend the 
money to
>>>>>> go
>>>>>> to a
>>>>>> convention, you may as well attend the one that is biggest, 
best, and
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> dynamic? Attending an ACB Convention over an NFB Convention is 
like
>>>>>> going to
>>>>>> a corner church carnival when you could have gone to Disney 
World for
>>>>>> less
>>>>>> money!

>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>> Marion



>>>>>> Marion


>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <countrygrl290 at aol.com
>>>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:15 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] convention 2010 ???


>>>>>> does anyone know when the ACB convention will be for 2010 and 
where ?
>>>>>> and

>>>>>>> isnt it held in conjunction with the NAGDU or GDUI? convention? 
sorry
>>>>>>> if i
>>>>>>> posted in the wrong place??? this is the only spot i know to 
post as
>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>> dont
>>>>>>> know if ACB? has a website
>>>>>>> thanks
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>>>> President (Phoenix Chapter)
>>>> National Federation of the Blind
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>> National Federation of the Blind
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