[nagdu] Blind Inc.
Albert J Rizzi
albert at myblindspot.org
Sat Apr 3 02:58:22 UTC 2010
Really? Is that a standard opinion held by other federal organizations?
rehab centers? What gives?
Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
CEO/Founder
My Blind Spot, Inc.
90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
New York, New York 10004
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-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Buddy Brannan
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:42 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Inc.
It's a strong statement that is true in many states; I don't know whether
New York is one such or not. However, it is true in some and has
historically been true for many.
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
On Apr 2, 2010, at 10:37 PM, Albert J Rizzi wrote:
> that's a strong statement.
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> CEO/Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> New York, New York 10004
> www.myblindspot.org
> PH: 917-553-0347
> Fax: 212-858-5759
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it."
>
>
> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of cheryl echevarria
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 6:35 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Inc.
>
> Albert the Commission knows all about all three schools they don't offer
> them to us, we have to ask and know that they are out there. The
Commission
>
> here in NY does not like the NFB.
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 6:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Inc.
>
>
>> Wow, I just looked at blind inc. 6 to 9 months? wow. That is an intensive
>> program. does the commission for the blind in nyc know about this
program?
>> it was never offered to me as an option when I lost my eye sight 4 years
>> ago. Must be expensive.
>>
>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>> CEO/Founder
>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>> New York, New York 10004
>> www.myblindspot.org
>> PH: 917-553-0347
>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who
is
>> doing it."
>>
>>
>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
>> Of Wayne Merritt
>> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 5:35 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Inc.
>>
>> This seems like an appropriate time to throw in my 2 cents worth.
>> Others have said what I would have said pretty well. I did attend the
>> Colorado Center too back in 1999 from January to August. I used my
>> guide dog at the time for about 5 months of that before I retired him
>> for personal reasons which had nothing to do with Center ttraining.
>> I've touched on this in other posts on this list, but the short
>> version was that I was getting too stressed about the daily
>> responsibilities of having a guide dog. Anyway, though the CCB policy
>> for guide dogs has changed since I attended, now they're more in line
>> wiht the other NFB centers, I didn't encounter any resistance
>> regarding my dog while in training, other than trying to take my dog
>> into a kitchen one day, but that makes sense.
>>
>> I've said this next item a few times in the time that I've been on
>> this list and now seems like another appropriate time. I work at the
>> Criss Cole Rehabilitation Center in Austin, Texas, which though it's
>> the state adult training center for the blind, they do accept people
>> from other parts of the U.S. Our Center has probably the most
>> inclusive policy of all the centers I've heard of; basically, the
>> student can use their dog for 4 of the 8 hours of training, and then
>> the rest of the training day they have to leave their dogs in their
>> rooms or I suppose they could leave them in someone's office. People
>> with guides have come to the Center frequently over the time its been
>> operating. I'm okay if anyone wants to contact me off list and I can
>> pass your information along to our admissions person. We have had a
>> student from out of state, about 2 years ago a woman from Florida came
>> with her guide dog. Criss Cole offers many of the similar core
>> training areas as other centers, such as Braille, technology,
>> Industrial Arts, Career Guidance, Daily Living Skills (including
>> cooking, planning and organization skills), O&M, Home and Personal
>> Management, and others. We offer the traditional 6-9 month program,
>> though there has been talk of letting people come specifically for a
>> certain training area, such as career guidance. In fact, we do
>> currently have a gentleman that's just here for career guidance.
>> Anyway, if you're interested then contact me off list. I think that
>> during O&M, you have to use the cane at least in the beginning, in
>> order to build those ever crucial cane skills. Our center also has
>> people with partial vision or light perception wear the sleepshade or
>> blindfold during the training day, from 8-12 and 1-5, just like the
>> NFB centers.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Wayne Merritt
>>
>> On 4/2/10, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> wrote:
>>> Exactly. NFB seems to have no idea that there are people with other
>>> disabilities that also happen to be blind.
>>> Also, NFB touts independence but only their flavor of independence.
>>> Kind of like a parent saying to a kid "You can be whatever you want when
>>> you grow up, and I'll even let you choose which type of doctor you want
>>> to be". Promoting independence also means allowing people to make
>>> choices that and individual may dislike.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 11:55 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Inc.
>>>
>>> Marion, I think a person can live "fully and vibrantly" even if they
>>> don't
>>> have great cane skills. I know a guy who often seems confused while
>>> traveling, but he gets where he wants to go. More than that, he goes
>>> places I'll probably never go, like Iraq and Korea, as well as
>>> travelling
>>> all over the U.S. Now he has retired his dog, and because of declining
>>> health has not gotten another, but he still gets where he wants to go.
>>> Isn't that what the oft-cited Nature of Independence speech was about?
>>> Basically, stop judging each other on how we get where we want to go, so
>>> long as we get there?
>>> Cane skills are very handy, but people who don't have them can still get
>>> where they want to go, and that's what counts. I do get tired of this
>>> veneration of the sacred long white cane. It's just a long stick.
>>> Using
>>> it is not rocket science.
>>>
>>> I found what Rox said about her travel very interesting.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>> Jewel,
>>>> If you are going to attend a center, I think it would be best if
>>> you
>>>> did
>>>> so before getting your guide dog. Their very intensive O&M training
>>> will
>>>> make you a superior guide dog handler. If you choose to go after
>>> getting
>>>> your guide dog, I would suggest you do so well after you and your dog
>>> have
>>>> bonded. During the day, you will be using your white cane. You will be
>>>> able
>>>> to see your guide dog during breaks and for relief, as well as before
>>> and
>>>> after training.
>>>> Just for the record, there are those who will try to spin this
>>> policy
>>>> to
>>>> be an "anti guide dog" policy; however, I am of the opinion, from
>>> talking
>>>> to
>>>> and listening to what they believe and how each of the centers
>>> approach
>>>> this
>>>> issue, that it is not anti guide dog, rather it is pro sound O&M
>>> training.
>>>> I
>>>> am of the opinion that, like the general public, many blind people see
>>> a
>>>> guide dog as the answer to their O&M problems, rather than as an
>>>> enhancement
>>>> to them. Both the white cane and guide dog have their advantages and
>>>> disadvantages. Without the flexibility to choose the one that works
>>> best
>>>> for
>>>> a particular application, a blind person limits their independence and
>>>> their
>>>> ability to participate in all aspects of society and life! A carpenter
>>>> learns how to use a hammer, but cannot build a house with just one
>>> tool!
>>>> In
>>>> order for us to live fully, we must have several blindness tools in
>>> our
>>>> tool
>>>> box. Of course, if one is comfortable with limiting their choices,
>>> that is
>>>> their prerogative. My choice is to live fully and vibrantly. Sometimes
>>> my
>>>> guide dog is not a part of this choice. JMHO!
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:36 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Inc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, this makes me curious. I am considering going to Louisiana Center
>>>>> for the Blind. Should I go before I get a guide dog? What are the
>>>>> rules at LCB for guide dogs?
>>>>>
>>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/31/10, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Martha.
>>>>>> There are people on this list who have been through the Colorado
>>> Center
>>>>>> with their dogs, or there used to be. Jen was one of them, I
>>> believe.
>>>>>> She
>>>>>> said it was fine. I don't know if the dog arrangements are
>>> different
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> Blind Inc. They have always appeared to me to be the most anti-dog
>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> bunch, but that's my opinion.
>>>>>> I wouldn't do it myself, but others have and it's been OK for their
>>>>>> dogs.
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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