[nagdu] Blind Inc.

cheryl echevarria cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
Sat Apr 3 13:19:21 UTC 2010


I have read the book a few times.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Inc.


> A little bit of light reading:
> http://www.nfb.org/nfb/WAMT.asp
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2010, at 10:58 PM, Albert J Rizzi wrote:
>
> > Really? Is that a standard opinion held by other federal organizations?
> > rehab centers? What gives?
> >
> > Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> > CEO/Founder
> > My Blind Spot, Inc.
> > 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> > New York, New York  10004
> > www.myblindspot.org
> > PH: 917-553-0347
> > Fax: 212-858-5759
> > "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who 
> > is
> > doing it."
> >
> >
> > Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
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> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> > Behalf
> > Of Buddy Brannan
> > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:42 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Inc.
> >
> > It's a strong statement that is true in many states; I don't know 
> > whether
> > New York is one such or not. However, it is true in some and has
> > historically been true for many.
> > --
> > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> >
> >
> >
> > On Apr 2, 2010, at 10:37 PM, Albert J Rizzi wrote:
> >
> >> that's a strong statement.
> >>
> >> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> >> CEO/Founder
> >> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> >> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> >> New York, New York  10004
> >> www.myblindspot.org
> >> PH: 917-553-0347
> >> Fax: 212-858-5759
> >> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who 
> >> is
> >> doing it."
> >>
> >>
> >> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> >> Behalf
> >> Of cheryl echevarria
> >> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 6:35 PM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Inc.
> >>
> >> Albert the Commission knows all about all three schools they don't 
> >> offer
> >> them to us, we have to ask and know that they are out there.  The
> > Commission
> >>
> >> here in NY does not like the NFB.
> >>
> >> Cheryl Echevarria
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> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> >> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 6:38 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Inc.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Wow, I just looked at blind inc. 6 to 9 months? wow. That is an 
> >>> intensive
> >>> program. does the commission for the blind in nyc know about this
> > program?
> >>> it was never offered to me as an option when I lost my eye sight 4 
> >>> years
> >>> ago. Must be expensive.
> >>>
> >>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> >>> CEO/Founder
> >>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> >>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> >>> New York, New York  10004
> >>> www.myblindspot.org
> >>> PH: 917-553-0347
> >>> Fax: 212-858-5759
> >>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one 
> >>> who
> > is
> >>> doing it."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf
> >>> Of Wayne Merritt
> >>> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 5:35 PM
> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Inc.
> >>>
> >>> This seems like an appropriate time to throw in my 2 cents worth.
> >>> Others have said what I would have said pretty well. I did attend the
> >>> Colorado Center too back in 1999 from January to August. I used my
> >>> guide dog at the time for about 5 months of that before I retired him
> >>> for personal reasons which had nothing to do with Center ttraining.
> >>> I've touched on this in other posts on this list, but the short
> >>> version was that I was getting too stressed about the daily
> >>> responsibilities of having a guide dog. Anyway, though the CCB policy
> >>> for guide dogs has changed since I attended, now they're more in line
> >>> wiht the other NFB centers, I didn't encounter any resistance
> >>> regarding my dog while in training, other than trying to take my dog
> >>> into a kitchen one day, but that makes sense.
> >>>
> >>> I've said this next item a few times in the time that I've been on
> >>> this list and now seems like another appropriate time. I work at the
> >>> Criss Cole Rehabilitation Center in Austin, Texas, which though it's
> >>> the state adult training center for the blind, they do accept people
> >>> from other parts of the U.S. Our Center has probably the most
> >>> inclusive policy of all the centers I've heard of; basically, the
> >>> student can use their dog for 4 of the 8 hours of training, and then
> >>> the rest of the training day they have to leave their dogs in their
> >>> rooms or I suppose they could leave them in someone's office. People
> >>> with guides have come to the Center frequently over the time its been
> >>> operating. I'm okay if anyone wants to contact me off list and I can
> >>> pass your information along to our admissions person. We have had a
> >>> student from out of state, about 2 years ago a woman from Florida came
> >>> with her guide dog. Criss Cole offers many of the similar core
> >>> training areas as other centers, such as Braille, technology,
> >>> Industrial Arts, Career Guidance, Daily Living Skills (including
> >>> cooking, planning and organization skills), O&M, Home and Personal
> >>> Management, and others. We offer the traditional 6-9 month program,
> >>> though there has been talk of letting people come specifically for a
> >>> certain training area, such as career guidance. In fact, we do
> >>> currently have a gentleman that's just here for career guidance.
> >>> Anyway, if you're interested then contact me off list. I think that
> >>> during O&M, you have to use the cane at least in the beginning, in
> >>> order to build those ever crucial cane skills. Our center also has
> >>> people with partial vision or light perception wear the sleepshade or
> >>> blindfold during the training day, from 8-12 and 1-5, just like the
> >>> NFB centers.
> >>>
> >>> Sincerely,
> >>> Wayne Merritt
> >>>
> >>> On 4/2/10, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Exactly. NFB seems to have no idea that there are people with other
> >>>> disabilities that also happen to be blind.
> >>>> Also, NFB touts independence but only their flavor of independence.
> >>>> Kind of like a parent saying to a kid "You can be whatever you want 
> >>>> when
> >>>> you grow up, and I'll even let you choose which type of doctor you 
> >>>> want
> >>>> to be". Promoting independence also means allowing people to make
> >>>> choices that and individual may dislike.
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>>> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> >>>> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 11:55 AM
> >>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Inc.
> >>>>
> >>>> Marion, I think a person can live "fully and vibrantly" even if they
> >>>> don't
> >>>> have great cane skills.  I know a guy who often seems confused while
> >>>> traveling, but he gets where he wants to go.  More than that, he goes
> >>>> places I'll probably never go, like Iraq and Korea, as well as
> >>>> travelling
> >>>> all over the U.S.  Now he has retired his dog, and because of 
> >>>> declining
> >>>> health has not gotten another, but he still gets where he wants to 
> >>>> go.
> >>>> Isn't that what the oft-cited Nature of Independence speech was 
> >>>> about?
> >>>> Basically, stop judging each other on how we get where we want to go, 
> >>>> so
> >>>> long as we get there?
> >>>> Cane skills are very handy, but people who don't have them can still 
> >>>> get
> >>>> where they want to go, and that's what counts.  I do get tired of 
> >>>> this
> >>>> veneration of the sacred long white cane.  It's just a long stick.
> >>>> Using
> >>>> it is not rocket science.
> >>>>
> >>>> I found what Rox said about her travel very interesting.
> >>>> Tracy
> >>>>
> >>>>> Jewel,
> >>>>>   If you are going to attend a center, I think it would be best if
> >>>> you
> >>>>> did
> >>>>> so before getting your guide dog. Their very intensive O&M training
> >>>> will
> >>>>> make you a superior guide dog handler. If you choose to go after
> >>>> getting
> >>>>> your guide dog, I would suggest you do so well after you and your 
> >>>>> dog
> >>>> have
> >>>>> bonded. During the day, you will be using your white cane. You will 
> >>>>> be
> >>>>> able
> >>>>> to see your guide dog during breaks and for relief, as well as 
> >>>>> before
> >>>> and
> >>>>> after training.
> >>>>>   Just for the record, there are those who will try to spin this
> >>>> policy
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> be an "anti guide dog" policy; however, I am of the opinion, from
> >>>> talking
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> and listening to what they believe and how each of the centers
> >>>> approach
> >>>>> this
> >>>>> issue, that it is not anti guide dog, rather it is pro sound O&M
> >>>> training.
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> am of the opinion that, like the general public, many blind people 
> >>>>> see
> >>>> a
> >>>>> guide dog as the answer to their O&M problems, rather than as an
> >>>>> enhancement
> >>>>> to them. Both the white cane and guide dog have their advantages and
> >>>>> disadvantages. Without the flexibility to choose the one that works
> >>>> best
> >>>>> for
> >>>>> a particular application, a blind person limits their independence 
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> their
> >>>>> ability to participate in all aspects of society and life! A 
> >>>>> carpenter
> >>>>> learns how to use a hammer, but cannot build a house with just one
> >>>> tool!
> >>>>> In
> >>>>> order for us to live fully, we must have several blindness tools in
> >>>> our
> >>>>> tool
> >>>>> box. Of course, if one is comfortable with limiting their choices,
> >>>> that is
> >>>>> their prerogative. My choice is to live fully and vibrantly. 
> >>>>> Sometimes
> >>>> my
> >>>>> guide dog is not a part of this choice. JMHO!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fraternally yours,
> >>>>> Marion Gwizdala
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
> >>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
> >>>>> Users"
> >>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:36 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind Inc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi, this makes me curious. I am considering going to Louisiana 
> >>>>>> Center
> >>>>>> for the Blind. Should I go before I get a guide dog? What are the
> >>>>>> rules at LCB for guide dogs?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ~Jewel
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 3/31/10, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi Martha.
> >>>>>>> There are people on this list who have been through the Colorado
> >>>> Center
> >>>>>>> with their dogs, or there used to be.  Jen was one of them, I
> >>>> believe.
> >>>>>>> She
> >>>>>>> said it was fine.  I don't know if the dog arrangements are
> >>>> different
> >>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>> Blind Inc.  They have always appeared to me to be the most 
> >>>>>>> anti-dog
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> bunch, but that's my opinion.
> >>>>>>> I wouldn't do it myself, but others have and it's been OK for 
> >>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>> dogs.
> >>>>>>> Tracy
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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