[nagdu] cane skills as prerequisite for guide dog

Mon Apr 5 08:12:52 UTC 2010

Michelle,

Well said!  My love/hate relationship with my skinny one-legged white
frenemy has been going on for quite some time now, and I expect that to
continuen, although I seem to have collecected a startling number of such
frenemies...  

The four-legged black thingamagig I toss a harness on for errands and stuff
is more dear to me on so many levels, and is definitely my preferred
mobility tool.  I've been cussing at the fourlegged black cane for so long
now, she doesn't even pay attention.  /smile/

Tami Smith-Kinney

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Michelle
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 3:06 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] cane skills as prerequisite for guide dog

Hi Julie,

Lol I still get frustrated and swear in front of my dog when I get lost! 
Then I proclaim quite loudly, in a happy tone, "It's ok Troy. I'm angry, but

not at you! It's ok!" All in a fairly happy tone of course, so he realises 
I'm upset but it's not him and neither is it his fault. If it is, which is 
true occasionally, I do sound more stern, but I swear to myself and just 
give him the commands I want him to follow correctly, praise him then tell 
him that I'm still upset but not at him anymore. Then I pet him so he 
understands my behaviour is consistent with my speech. He's a beautiful dog 
who cares if I communicate it in the correct manner that he understands! 
(Smile) (Frown) I hate using the cane, I've used it all my life and had to 
use it last year when Troy was sick for a couple of weeks, and if it doesn't

show care, then I really rile at it and myself. I can get over being riled 
quicker in the presence of a dog than in front of a cane. Go figure. (grin 
with slight chuckle))

Michelle
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] cane skills as prerequisite for guide dog

>I had more thoughts on reasons why it's important to learn to use a cane
> before getting a dog.
>
> When you mess up and get lost, turned around and generally frustrated , 
> the
> cane doesn't also get confused.  the cane doesn't care how you feel.  It
> doesn't care if you swear at it.   You can even make the same mistake
> repeatedly and it won't mess up the cane's training.  Canes are very
> forgiving that way! *smile*
>
> Also if you have never learned to travel independently, you are going to 
> be
> learning that along with trying to learn how to use a guide dog all at 
> once.
> That seems like a lot to take in in a month.
> JMHO
> Julie
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 2:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] cane skills as prerequisite for guide dog
>
>
>> >From my understanding and this is from GDF when I went, and it does make
>> sense, if your dog is sick and you cannot take you dog some place, or you
>> are waiting for a dog, you need cane skills or other skills to keep you
>> going, they want to know you are a motivated person, and not sitting at
>> home.
>>
>> The dogs are working dogs, guide dogs, not pets, as well all know.
>>
>> So if we aren't out there working then why get a dog.
>>
>> I think for me it was important to learn cane skills, I am very very
>> independent and it goes back to the sighted guide, they don't point
>> everything out.  Also when and still losing my vision I have no depth
>> perception I cannot tell when the whole is coming up or something that I
>> can fall into, so yes I needed good cane skills, go to trust a cane and
>> then trust a dog, now that I am almost total I am glad that I learned 
>> cane
>> skills prior to getting a dog.
>>
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>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 4:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] cane skills as prerequisite for guide dog
>>
>>
>>> Why is it a requirement for being considered getting a guide dog anyway?
>>> I
>>> would like to understand the rationale. I am not agreeing or disagreeing
>>> just wondering about the reasons. Then too, if cane mobility is so
>>> integral
>>> to independence, why are there some schools of thought on not 
>>> introducing
>>> the cane to toddlers or blind youth as soon as they can hold one?
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Tracy Carcione
>>> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 2:33 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: [nagdu] cane skills as prerequisite for guide dog
>>>
>>> Marion, I don't necessarily agree that good cane skills should be a
>>> prerequisite for getting a guide dog.  It's a nice theory.  It would
>>> certainly be helpful.  But I know too many people who don't have
>>> spectacular cane skills, but do great with a dog.  Some of them are 
>>> older
>>> people, who started getting dogs when cane training was not very
>>> available.  Some of them are from places where services for blind people
>>> are not very good.  Some of them went blind as senior citizens, and 
>>> quite
>>> a few agencies don't serve that population very well, since they won't 
>>> be
>>> employed.  Should we tell these people they have to wait until they can
>>> somehow get cane training?  I don't think so. I've met enough people for
>>> whom the dog was the thing that got them back out, living their lives,
>>> and
>>> I think getting out and living one's life is a great thing. I'm not
>>> willing to stand in someone's way over whether or not their cane skills
>>> measure up to some philosophical mark.
>>>
>>> Should we take good orientation as good enough?  Or should the guide dog
>>> schools offer cane training to prospective applicants who they feel
>>> should
>>> have it? They seem like reasonable approaches to me, and I believe they
>>> are
>>> the ones being carried out. Encouraging good cane skills is fine, but I
>>> wouldn't make it a prerequisite for a guide dog.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
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