[nagdu] Mexican attitudes towards blind people

Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com
Fri Apr 23 12:06:24 UTC 2010 

I'd argue too that the kid was probably being abused. Maybe not by Mama,
but by somebody. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 2:50 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Mexican attitudes towards blind people

Good grief!  I'm glad Maxx wasn't badly hurt.  And I'm glad the police
respond to things like that!

Sadly, that sort of cruel behavior towards animals is not cultural or
ethnic.  Some people simply enjoy inflicting pain and injury on anything
living that they can.  Ugh!

Tami Smith-Kinney

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
Of cheryl echevarria
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:49 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Mexican attitudes towards blind people

I actually last year, had a little boy and I am not mentioned races here
at 
all, come up to Maxx and kick him, and his mother laughed and said to
stop 
it.

I told the lady that my dog is not a toy or something to go around
kicking, 
and that animals such as mine who is a guide dog or another other dog in
the

state of New York, especially in Suffolk county.

Because 2 summers ago someone tied up a dog about 2 blocks from my house
and

burned it alive.

The person was found and put in jail.

So in New York State and especially Suffolk County, any harm that comes
to 
any dog, is a big fine and can be arrested.

Of course I explained it so she could understand it, and of course went
on 
to say so what he is a little boy and doesn't know better.  I said well
if 
someone kicked her son for know reason and it hurt it would be okay
then.

She called me some 4 letter words I called the police and she of course
took

off, but the police came and maxx limped for the day, but he was okay.


Cheryl Echevarria
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Mexican attitudes towards blind people


> Hi Cheryl E.,
> I also live in a fairly Hispanic neighborhood and I don't really have
much
> problem with them disliking my dog.  Most of the time, they're saying,
> "Oooh! Perro!! Wow! Wow! (Spanish version of Bow Wow)" or "Ooooh! 
> Perrito!!
> (Puppy!) They say this to their kids. Very few of the Mexican kids run
up 
> to
> play with my dog like the white, American ADULTS do!  Generally they
like
> Landon.
>
> I have seen some of the same reactions as you describe with some Black

> folks
> as well. I think it all has to do with people's socialization with
dogs in
> the first place and their early experiences with dogs as well.  I get
more
> shrieks from Muslin Somoli women more than anyone else.  I don't think

> they
> have pet dogs in Somolia or in many of the Muslim countries.
>
> So, these are all just people who have not grown up with dogs as we do
in
> this country. I respect them by keeping my dog close to me when around

> them
> on the bus - easy to do because they move to another seat on the bus!
I
> generally have no real problem with anyone around here regarding my
dog
> except for some ethnic restaurants.
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Mexican attitudes towards blind people
>
>
> > oh yes lack of education, especially, example:  I had to go to the
> > pharmacy yesterday and I live in a very Hispanic neighborhood, when
I 
> > went
> > to sit and wait for my meds, a woman yelled and screamed and picked
up 
> > her
> > child, and said in spanish bad dog, I said in spanish, ciega which
mean
> > blind of it it's a man I say Ciego, and I say Perro Trabajan so
sorry 
> > for
> > incorrectly spelling if someone on here is spanish.
> >
> > And then thank god another lady with her daughter also told the lady

> > that
> > I was blind and that Maxx is a guide dog.
> >
> > You see in certain countries and also here, there are loose dogs, a
lot 
> > of
> > people don't watch out for there dogs.  And most of the dogs in
those
> > countries are bad dogs.  That is what I found out, so a lot of the 
> > people
> > coming here are uneducated but there children are.
> >
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> > Independent Travel Consultant
> > C10-10646
> >
> > http://Echevarriatravel.com
> > 1-866-580-5574
> >
> > http://blog.echevarriatravel.com
> > Reservations at echevarriatravel.com
> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
> > CST-1018299-10
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Mexican attitudes towards blind people
> >
> >
> >> I'm not sure if  religion has anything to do with it, but I'm sure
that
> >> lack
> >> of education *does* play a big role in individual's attitudes
towards
> >> guide
> >> dogs. After all, we have many individuals in the United States who
act
> >> the
> >> same way and who are not accustomed to being around individuals
with
> >> disabilities. I think it all stems back to needing to educate
people.
> >> I'm
> >> a high school Spanish teacher and when I was in college did a lot
of
> >> research on Hispanic culture.  I remember talking to my 
> >> professor/friend
> >> from Peru. She said that although Peru had a lot of services for
the
> >> blind,
> >> she was surprised to see someone as competent/poised as I was. She
had 
> >> to
> >> learn to accept that blind people could do everything sighted
people 
> >> do.
> >> She
> >> was nervous about the dog  in the beginning, but after she got to
know
> >> her a
> >> bit, she was able, when I allowed her, to pet my dog and  be social

> >> with
> >> her.
> >> Take care and sorry for the long post.
> >> Hope and Beignet
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Cheryl Osborn" <chapalacheryl at gmail.com>
> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:33 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Mexican attitudes towards blind people
> >>
> >>
> >> > Yes, I agree that religion has something to do with it, along
with
> >> > ignorance and poverty.  I do live in a rural area.  When I have
gone
> >> > into Guadalajara, I have met a lot of people who think using a
guide
> >> > dog is pretty neet stuff.  At present, there are no guide dog
schools
> >> > here.  about 15 years ago, someone tried to start a guide dog
school
> >> > but couldn't get enough support.  Big shock.
> >> >
> >> > On 4/19/10, Albert J Rizzi <albert at myblindspot.org> wrote:
> >> >> Then to they are a devoutly catholic community, and the catholic

> >> >> faith
> >> >> does
> >> >> not always place the blind at the top of the heap. Culture and
> >> >> religion
> >> >> work
> >> >> against us here.
> >> >>
> >> >> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> >> >> CEO/Founder
> >> >> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> >> >> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> >> >> New York, New York  10004
> >> >> www.myblindspot.org
> >> >> PH: 917-553-0347
> >> >> Fax: 212-858-5759
> >> >> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the
one
> >> >> who
> >> >> is
> >> >> doing it."
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
> >> >> Behalf
> >> >> Of Hope Paulos
> >> >> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 5:00 PM
> >> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users
> >> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Mexican attitudes towards blind people
> >> >>
> >> >> Just to put my 2 cents in here, this seems to be the belief for
all
> >> >> hispanic
> >> >>
> >> >> culture. Had the same views of me and my guide dog from my
friends 
> >> >> in
> >> >> Peru
> >> >> and Chile. Think it's that there aren't very many blind peole
with
> >> >> guide
> >> >> dogs in these parts of the world.
> >> >> Hope and Beignet
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Cheryl Osborn" <chapalacheryl at gmail.com>
> >> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users"
> >> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> >> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 3:27 PM
> >> >> Subject: [nagdu] Mexican attitudes towards blind people
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Rebecca,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I believe that there is quite a difference in attitudes, blind
> >> >>> Mexican
> >> >>> or blind gringo.  From what I have experienced, Mexicans are
very
> >> >>> nice
> >> >>> and helpful  to me and amazed that I am capable of doing
anything.
> >> >>> The only blind Mexicans that I have run into, literally, have
been
> >> >>> beggers.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 4/19/10, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>> Hi Linda.
> >> >>>> If I can ask, why did you bring your dog to Mexico in 1992,
and 
> >> >>>> why
> >> >>>> did
> >> >>>> you not bring a cane?
> >> >>>> Am not trying to judge, just understand even if it is "I
wasn't
> >> >>>> thinking".
> >> >>>> To Cheryll, how are attitudes towards blind people in Mexico?
Any
> >> >>>> difference in attitude between blind men and blind women?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> >> >>>> On
> >> >>>> Behalf Of Linda Gwizdak
> >> >>>> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:37 PM
> >> >>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users
> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Thanks for the welcome
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Hi Cheryl O,
> >> >>>> Welcome to the list!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I see you live in Mexico.  Would you please tell us about life
in
> >> >>>> Mexico
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> with a guide dog?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I am Lyn and I'm working with my eighth dog - foourth one from
> >> >>>> Seeing
> >> >>>> Eye.
> >> >>>> My dog is Landon, a red Golden/Lab cross and I got him in
2007.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> We work as pet assisted therapists at a military hospital and
in 
> >> >>>> two
> >> >>>> programs with our local Humane Society.  Landon LOVES this
work! 
> >> >>>> LOL
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I live in San Diego so we are very near Tijuana, BC, Mexico. I
> >> >>>> haven't
> >> >>>> visited there since 1992 and don't feel like going there
again.
> >> >>>> there
> >> >>>> is a
> >> >>>> warning from the US State Dept. about traveling to Mexico
because 
> >> >>>> of
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> drug cartels "activity" along the border towns.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> When I brought my guide dog there, the restaurants didn't want
me 
> >> >>>> to
> >> >>>> bring
> >> >>>> my dog inside.  After my explanations of the dog being my
guide,
> >> >>>> they
> >> >>>> compromised by having me sit by the door!  Also, I had someone

> >> >>>> come
> >> >>>> up
> >> >>>> to me
> >> >>>> to ask if I'd sell him my dog! I said no and told him in
Spanish
> >> >>>> that
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> dog was my eyes - a perro de guia. He then left.  After that,
I
> >> >>>> thought
> >> >>>> about what if the guy reacted differently and grabbed my dog
from 
> >> >>>> me
> >> >>>> and
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> there I would be, in a foreign contry, without a mobility aid!
I
> >> >>>> didn't
> >> >>>> even
> >> >>>> have a white cane with me.  Along the border towns, they steal

> >> >>>> dogs
> >> >>>> to
> >> >>>> sell
> >> >>>> to labs even though reputable labs will NEVER take a
microchipped 
> >> >>>> or
> >> >>>> tatooed
> >> >>>> dog as it is very illegal.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The other thing is that Mexico has no laws regarding having
dogs
> >> >>>> vaccinated
> >> >>>> against Rabies or other diseases. Do you know if any of this
has
> >> >>>> changed?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Again, welcome and look forward to hearing from you about life
in
> >> >>>> Mexico!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Lyn and Landon
> >> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>> From: "Cheryl Osborn" <chapalacheryl at gmail.com>
> >> >>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
> >> >>>> Users"
> >> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 1:05 PM
> >> >>>> Subject: [nagdu] Thanks for the welcome
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Thanks for the welcome Marsha.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Your Q is certainly not too personal.  I live in a very small

> >> >>>>> town
> >> >>>>> in
> >> >>>>> central Mexico.  My husband and I retired here about 4 years
ago.
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