[nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs

Sun Apr 25 19:50:05 UTC 2010

Albert,

My understanding is that yes, under the ACAA they can ask for ID as proof of 
an animal as a service animal.  However ID is not required as a condition of 
access under the ACAA.  I'm remembering that there are four items that count 
as proof: ID, presence of cape/harness/specialized equipment, a letter from 
a health care professional or the credible verbal assurances of the handler. 
Any one of the four works as evidence that an animal is a service animal.  I 
should add that this information may not be accurate after the recent 
changes.

So they can ask for ID, but if you offer credible verbal assurance that your 
dog in harness is a guide, it's all good! *smile*

Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs

> Does the aca allow for asking for identification  in any instance to 
> support
> proof of disability or need for a service animal?
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Marion Gwizdala
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:51 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
>
> Jewel,
>    First of all, we are not required to produce identification for our
> service animals. Access is based upon the credible assertions of the
> disabled person. As for air carriers, they are not under the jurisdiction 
> of
>
> the Department of Justice nor the provisions of the ADA. They are under 
> the
> jurisdiction of the U.S. Department of Transportation and the Air Carrier
> Access Act (ACAA).
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 9:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
>
>
>> They can't refuse you just because you don't have a specific card, can
>> they? They are only allowed to ask what tasks the dog performs for
>> you, and cannot ask what your disability is. To deny access because
>> you don't have an ID like that is against ADA, isn't it? I understnd
>> needing rabie shot and vaccine paperwork, but they can't seriously
>> deny you for not having a school id, right?
>>
>> ~Jewel
>>
>> On 4/23/10, Susan Jones <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On one occasion, when I was flying Southwest Airlines from Indy to
>>> Chicago,
>>> they asked to see my Guiding Eyes ID card.
>>> Glad I was that I had it, or they may not have let me onto the plane.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Tracy Carcione
>>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 8:54 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
>>>
>>> In 30 years of using guide dogs, I think I've shown my guide dog ID 
>>> maybe
>>> twice. If I didn't have it, I probably wouldn't notice.
>>>
>>> Gee, I'd love one of them self-trained guide dogs! <grin>  Just pick out
>>> a
>>> dog I like, do the magic self-training spell, et voila! Sounds great!
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>> Cheryl O,
>>>>
>>>> In the U.S. ID cards or certification isn't required as a condition of
>>>> access.  I don't have any guide dog ID.  I used to carry copies of
>>>> state laws, but they got old and ratty and I haven't printed new ones.
>>>> BTW I have never been asked for ID or had any access challenges
>>>> concerning my owner trained guide dogs.
>>>>
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Cheryl Osborn" <chapalacheryl at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:27 AM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I would like to know what people use for identification cards when
>>>>>they have trained their own dogs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheryl in Mexico
>>>>> chapalacheryl at gmail.com
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