[nagdu] clicker training

[Julie J]

Meghan,

In response to teaching an understanding of unsafe behaviors...

I honestly think a lot of it comes from the depth of the bond developed 
between you and the dog.  Sure training is what defines exactly what you 
deem safe and unsafe and what you want the dog to do in each particular 
situation.  But it is the sense of duty, companionship, devotion or whatever 
you want to call it that truly motivates the dog to keep you safe.

Anyway that's my current theory. *smile*

Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] clicker training


> This is so well written and makes tons of sense.
>
> My one fear that I know isn't legitimate with exclusively doing clicker 
> training, a worry I think could be easily quenched but is ingrained in me 
> is how you teach the dog what is unsafe.
>
> I understand rewarding the desirable behaviors.  I understand that walking 
> you into a pole is an undesirable behavior, but what do you then do to 
> help the dog understand what you want, to convince/train the dog that 
> walking you into the pole is not a desired thing to do?
>
> I'm not at all saying I don't agree with you, I just want to better 
> understand, because I would love love to be able to train my own guide 
> exclusively on clicker work.
>
> Your dog knows without a doubt that she needs to keep you a safe distance 
> from cars.  She does this without flaw, and she has never been bopped on 
> the nose by a rolled up paper held by the driver of the car while in 
> training. She does not respect cars because they bop her on the nose, but 
> she respects them because it is a posative thing to do so.  How do you 
> reach the point where you are confident the dog will choose desirable 
> behaviors?
>
> Again, not at all doubting, I just want to learn more more more.
>
> Meghan
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "The Pawpower Pack" <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:28 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] clicker training
>
>
>> Meghan,
>>
>> I began using clicker training with Mill'E who is my crossover dog, 
>> meaning that I started her training with traditional jerk and praise 
>> type training, before making the switch.  Laveau has been trained  using 
>> only clicker training and the difference in her work is  incredible.  I 
>> wish I could adequately describe how different it is.   She loves to 
>> work, she doesn't rush to her destination; just getting  there is so 
>> rewarding for her.  She has excellent food refusal skills  while working; 
>> she occasionally backslides at home but that is my fault.
>> Clicker has taught me to take responsibility for my part in the  training 
>> process.  It has taught me that behavior is just behavior,  and that 
>> there is really no such thing as good behavior, or bad  behavior.  There 
>> is only desired behavior and undesired behavior.   This may seem like a 
>> small thing-- just semantics, but the words  "good" and "bad are really 
>> quite loaded.  When I used words like that,  I found that my relationship 
>> with my dog was very adversarial.  My dog  is trying to flout my 
>> authority by doing bad behaviors, or my dog is 
>> testing/disrespecting/ignoring me and is trying to be the boss so is 
>> doing bad behaviors.  By using the words desirable/undesirable, I'm 
>> taking responsibility for reinforcing the behaviors I find desirable. 
>> Jumping on people is undesirable to me.  I don't want my dog to do  it. 
>> She isn't jumping on people so she can be the boss, she's jumping 
>> because she wants to greet people and when dogs greet one another  there 
>> is a great deal of face sniffing and licking.  If I find jumping  to be 
>> undesirable, then it is my responsibility to teach her an  alternative 
>> behavior, and set up the situation so that she cannot do  the undesirable 
>> behavior, or if she does do the behavior, it isn't rewarding for her.
>> I want my dog to be a thinking dog.  I want working and other  behaviors 
>> to be her idea.
>> That is one of the things I love most about clicker training, my dog  is 
>> working to earn a click and is thinking.  She is not trying to  avoid 
>> punitive action on my part.  That difference in mindset is  amazing to 
>> watch.
>> I hope more of the programs begin to use clicker training and teach  the 
>> science and mechanics behind it to the handlers.  I think there  would be 
>> wonderful benefits for the dogs, less stress for the handler,  and more 
>> pleasing to the public at large.
>>
>>
>> Rox and the Herbal HenchHounds
>> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
>> "It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point 
>> out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a half- 
>> wit, and the emperor remains an emperor."-- Neil Gaiman
>> http://www.pawpowercreations.com/retreat.html
>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> AIM: Brissysgirl
>>
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