[nagdu] Dogs misbehaving in Public

[Steve Johnson]

Julie, not unless the establishment interpreted the dog as being out of
control which would be a stretch.  However, unless one knew if the dog was
on a leash, this would be just speculation and probably would not fly in a
discrimination complaint.  However, if we go back to the responsibilities of
keeping our dogs under control at all times and presentable, I highly doubt
that they could ask to have the dog removed.  It would be a little easier,
and this goes back to a previous thread, to just confront the individual and
ask if they could have their dog sit or lie as it is creating an barrier for
other patrons to pass through.  Simple fix.  However, if the animal is
performing it's *essential job functions* as a trained mobility service dog,
it may have been picking something to give back to the handler...again, too
much room for speculation, but for fairness sake, it sounds as if as though
the dog was not disruptive or out of control thus not pushing the law to be
implemented to the next level of removal.

JMO,
Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Julie J
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:43 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dogs misbehaving in Public

I'm still catching up, please forgive the lateness.

I don't see removing a misbehaving dog from a public place as having much of

anything to do with training.   I mean I can see how you could rework or do 
some training to fix the problem.  Mostly I view removing the dog as a
responsibility of courtesy to the other patrons.  The law states that we can
be asked to remove our service animals if they disrupt the normal flow of
business.  I think we should be proactive by removing the dog before it gets
to the point of being asked to leave.

Of course there is a huge gray area between what we might perceive as
misbehaving and what is really disrupting the normal flow of business. 
Example, recently I went out to eat with family.  On the way to our table
there was a service dog, I hope, standing in the middle of the aisle.  I'm
not even sure the handler noticed.  Anyway we had to wait until the dog
moved a bit so we could get by.  Me personally, would not allow my dog to
stand in the aisle like that. However, is it an offense worthy of being
asked to leave over?  I don't think so.

Anyway I'm not sure any of this has any sort of point.  I'm rambling and
I'll stop. *smile*

Julie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:17 AM
Subject: [nagdu] Dogs misbehaving in Public


>I am currently raising a guide dog puppy.  He is about four and a half 
>months old, and he needs to learn.  He is wearing a vest that says "guide 
>dog in training".  Since he is in training, I think folks expect him to be 
>learning.  His only disgression is occasionally barking when he sees other 
>dogs.  I met a friend at a restaurant a couple of weeks ago.  She also has 
>a dog.  He barked when he saw her guide, was corrected and taken from the 
>restaurant.  We reentered, he did not bark when he saw my friend's guide, 
>and we sat down.
>
> Removing a badly behaving dog from a situation does not solve the problem,

> unless you're going to promptly readdress it.  My puppy has downgraded his

> barks when he sees other dogs to quiet little huffs under his breath most 
> of the time.  I think that in a matter of weeks, he'll no longer react to 
> other dogs.
>
> The reason for reentering the restaurant was that he could demonstrate to 
> me if he knew what he had done wrong, and he certainly did.
>
> What I got from the new service animal laws recently posted here is that a

> service animal can be told to be removed by its handler if the handler 
> does not appear to be correcting the bad behavior, not that they can tell 
> the team to leave the moment the dog does something wrong.
>
> I understand that my puppy in training is not a finished working dog, but 
> at least in Wisconsin, he has access rights, and it is my responsibility 
> to correct and shape the appropriate behavior.
>
> Hope my rambling makes some sense.  Take care all.
>
> Meghan
>
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