[nagdu] being reported to your school

Tue Aug 3 14:09:22 UTC 2010

Um, did you go home with this dude? How do you know he puked all over
his dog at home if you weren't there?
I love this, people using the schools to settle personal problems. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Jordan Frances Ortiz
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:20 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] being reported to your school

I was reported once in the three years I've had Viola. It was by someone

on my campus and they saw me rework a cut corner.  they reported em for 
being to harsh on my dog and seeing eye put them in their place.  The 
person I'm talking about has body slam his dog for growling, taken hsi 
dog with him to a bar and gotten trashed and worked his dog home just to

vommit on him, and gives leash correctiosn that involve and entire body 
twist and which make his dog yelp in pain.  I know there are good 
handlers that get reported, but I feel like I did the right thing in 
this person's case.

Jordan and Viola

Marsha Drenth wrote:
> This is a very very interesting discussion. I have a SE pup, and I
have even
> been reported to SE. And no I do not abuse my pup, never have, never
could,
> never would. The person who reported me, had never had anything to do
with
> guides, nor did have a guide. He perceived to be what I was doing was
wrong.
> It was completely stupid, and the school told him so. 
>
> So what I am saying, even those handlers who are good handlers get
reported.
> That does not mean I should not have a dog, or that my school should
come
> and take my dog away. I like that I have ownership of my pup. 
>
> Its always going to be sticky, because what one person see as right,
another
> will see as wrong. So I urge all, to really, consider what they
consider
> abuse before reporting anyone. 
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
> Of Jordan Frances Ortiz
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 7:36 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising
>
> Yes people can lie on reports, but without ownership the school the
dog 
> is from can coem in at any point to take the dog back.  for example 
> (true but without names0  I know someone who has been reported
multiple 
> times to his guide dog school (one of those times b eing me) for
abusing 
> his dog.  Again he may be abusive he may just bee seen wrong but the 
> school cant do much about it because they gave him ownership.  Maybe
it 
> would help maybe it wouldn't but these are just my thoughts.
>
> Jordan and Viola
>
>
>
> The Pawpower Pack wrote:
>   
>> Dan and all,
>>
>> I agree that making a good impression is very subjective.  What one 
>> person sees as "mistreatment" another sees as "interacting with their

>> dog."
>> I have heard about people getting upset when a person gave a leash 
>> correction.  Someone got very angry with me upon seeing me give my
dog 
>> a click and a treat at the corner.  They were of the mindset that
food 
>> is bad for a dog who is working and in their eyes I was acting very 
>> irresponsibly.  To me, it's just how I work with my dogs.  As for the

>> ID issue, they are worth as much as the paper they're printed on.  I 
>> can go into Kinkos and make up and ID which is as professional
looking 
>> as that issued by any program.  It would probably make my life easier

>> if I did, at least in some respects.  When handlers go around
flashing 
>> their ID to make it easier for them, it gives the business owner the 
>> idea that they have the right to ask for one from the next handler
and 
>> that they should expect the handler to provide said documentation
upon 
>> request.  I've had to disabuse many business owners of this notion.  
>> When people flash that ID, they may be making it easier for 
>> themselves, but they make it harder for the next person coming after 
>> you.  They are also sending a message that asking and expecting the 
>> next handler to provide this documentation is perfectly legal and 
>> acceptable.
>>
>> Also, an abusive person can have ID and fill out vet reports to their

>> hearts content.  That proves nothing except that they're good at 
>> filling out forms.  If I'm beating up my dog, I'm hardly going to 
>> admit that on the vet form.
>> Rox and the Herbal HenchHounds
>> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
>> "It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to
point 
>> out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a 
>> half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor."-- Neil Gaiman
>> http://www.pawpowercreations.com/retreat.html
>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> AIM: Brissysgirl
>>
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