[nagdu] a couple questions

Mon Dec 6 18:58:19 UTC 2010

Jordan,

What sorts of dog issues are you talking about?

Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jgallacher1987 at gmail.com>
To: ""NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions

> Let me point out that I had similar issues with my current dog that I had 
> with my first dog.  GDB fixed them, and I seriously doubt that TSE would 
> have done much iif anything at all.
> Jordan
>
> "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerritt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Jordan: I am sorry for your experiences with The Seeign Eye. If I can
>>say so, you are one of the very few people that I've heard that has
>>had any complaints about them. Sure there were those that might have
>>complained during class about an instructor or how things were being
>>run, but you're one of the few graduates I've heard complain about
>>them. For those thinking about Seeing Eye, let me again point out that
>>Jordan is an individual who has had bad experiences with Seeing Eye.
>>Not to diminish his experiences. I have had nothing but good things to
>>say about the school as others have. They have been attentive, have
>>called me when a trainer was in my area, and have done their best to
>>customize my training to meet my individual needs. Even going to a
>>farm to let my dog see horses, when I was doing active horseback
>>riding. I'm told that this was a first for them, or at least going to
>>this particular farm was. Anyway, I may not agree with everything they
>>do, just as I dont' agree with everything that the NFB does, but
>>Seeing Eye have been doing it longer than anyone else in the U.S. and
>>they've gotten quite good at it over the last 80 some odd years. I
>>know that they're always there and that I can always call them if I
>>have an issue. I like the way they do business by not calling me all
>>the time or not constantly requesting medical updates on my dog, as
>>I've heard some schools do. Seeing Eye may not be perfect in
>>everything they do, but they treat their graduates as individuals and
>>adults. AS someone else said, you have to tell them about an issue
>>before they will come out. However, if they didn't come out right
>>away, then that's when self advocacy, calling the school repeatedly
>>until the issue is resolved, and perhaps even checking on lissts like
>>this come in handy.
>>
>>Just my humble thoughts,
>>Wayne
>>
>>On 12/6/10, Jordan Gallacher <jgallacher1987 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> TSE never did that with me, and there are two trainers that would be
>>able or
>>> have been in my area.    Also, the only thing I got out of them when
>>I
>>> called them about issues was pretty much that can't be happening
>>don't call
>>> us.
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf
>>> Of Nimer Jaber
>>> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:07 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>>>
>>> Jordan,
>>>
>>> Without starting a big debate, I just want to take the time to defend
>>> TSE a little bit:
>>> They have provided me with very timely support every time I requested
>>> it. I do have to call them to let them know that I'm having a
>>problem,
>>> so they don't somehow guess that you might have a problem. Also, they
>>> make calls to graduates when they've got a trainer out in the field
>>near
>>> me, just to make sure that I am doing OK and to make sure that I
>>don't
>>> require anything. In fact, I think that the support grads receive was
>>> one of the biggest things I looked at when choosing a school and
>>> everyone I've talked to has ranked them very high in this area.
>>>
>>> Also, I know people are busy with their lives, and TSE seems to
>>> recognize this as well, which is why I think they're allowing grads
>>who
>>> have been there before to complete training in a shorter period of
>>time,
>>> and even complete a home training that takes place over two weeks or
>>so.
>>> I felt that a day or two could have been cut out of their program,
>>like
>>> the days spent walking around a path twice a day, the same path for
>>> three days or so at the beginning of class, although I do recognize
>>that
>>> many need more time to get comfortable walking with their dogs before
>>> freelance begins. But TSE tries their best to individualize classes,
>>or
>>> at least in the class I was in with our class leader and the
>>instructor
>>> I was with especially. I got a lot of work on campuses, in large city
>>> environments such as New York, in shopping malls and hospitals, and
>>even
>>> at the air port. I'm sorry that you did not receive the instruction
>>you
>>> were hoping you would receive, and instead of giving up on the school
>>I
>>> probably would've worked with them to improve their program, or at
>>least
>>> give them some things that may make the program better with the
>>> evaluations at the end of the program.
>>>
>>> Note: I am not an employee of TSE, and my only affiliation with them
>>is
>>> being a proud Seeing Eye dog handler. So I don't want anyone to think
>>> that by this email and any others that I am doing this because I was
>>> requested to do so by the school.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Nimer J
>>>
>>> On 12/05/2010 11:53 PM, Jordan Gallacher wrote:
>>>> I personally would not go to The Seeing Eye.  There is virtually no
>>> support
>>>> after you leave with your dog.  I retired my first dog because of
>>the
>>>> problems I was having, which became pretty serious, and I went to
>>GDB.
>>> GDB
>>>> is a much better school than TSE.  Support is much better after
>>leaving
>>> with
>>>> your dog, and the classes are only two or three weeks depending on
>>which
>>>> campus you end up going to.  The training is not much different, but
>>at
>>> GDB
>>>> you have more opportunity to work in areas that you are in the most.
>>>> Jordan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf
>>>> Of Terra Syslo
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 11:44 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a couple questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi. I am in the process to start applying to guide dog schools, and
>>I
>>> think
>>>> I have it narrowed down to 2 or 3 schools I'm looking at. Can anyone
>>give
>>> me
>>>> some information as to your experiences with Leader Dogs for the
>>Blind?
>>> I'm
>>>> also considering GDF and maybe Seeing Eye. Thanks for any info.
>>>>
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