[nagdu] a couple questions

Wed Dec 8 21:31:54 UTC 2010

Jordan,
    I can appreciate that they may say they will not but the only real 
protection one has is what is written in the contract. Although a verbal 
agreement is as binding as a written one, from an evidentiary perspective, 
the written agreement is easier to prove. If a written agreement says one 
thing and a verbal agreement says another, a signed written agreement will 
carry the most weight. In civil cases, the burden of proof only requires a 
preponderance of evidence - whichever side has the most evidence in their 
favor wins!
    I feel the only way a dog should be removed by a training program is if 
there is objective, third-party evidence of abuse or neglect and through a 
due process. Unfortunately, most of the training programs agreements I have 
read give the program the absolute right to repossess the dog without 
either! This allows the program to arbitrarily remove a dog and for no 
better reason than they just don't like you! If anyone thinks this wouldn't 
happen, think again!

Fraternally yours,
Marion


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jgallacher1987 at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions


> Hmmmmmmmm.  True, unless the school was in breach of the contract.  gDB 
> was
> clear on what they would do and how they would do things.  They will not
> just take your dog away like some other school will.
> Jordan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Marion Gwizdala
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:21 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>
> Kprdan, If they were to have filed a law suit, they would have lost, as 
> they
>
> signed the agreement.
>
> Marion
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jgallacher1987 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>
>
>> Well, in that case, the person should have filed a lawsuit against the
>> school.    I understand completely how GDB does things, and will defend
>> how
>> they do things.
>> Jordan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:58 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>>
>> Jordan,
>>    When the training program decides your dog is overweight or there are
>> unsubstantiated accusations of abuse by someone who doesn't like you and
>> the
>>
>> training program knocks on your door unannounced and takes your dog away,
>> I
>> would bet you would have a different opinion. In case you think this 
>> could
>> not or would not happen, think twice! As I have already stated, I know of
>> four such cases in the past year in which consumers were either 
>> threatened
>> with losing their dogs or actually had them taken away without cause,
>> without evidence of abuse or neglect, and without due process!
>>
>> fraternally yours,
>> Marion
>>
>> be
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jgallacher1987 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>>
>>
>>> Who owns the dog should not be something that is a big deal.  For that
>>> matter, the quality of the training and the quality of the dogs should
>>> come
>>> first.
>>> Jordan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 2:53 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a couple questions
>>>
>>> Terra,
>>>    One thing I strongly suggest is that consumers review the ownership
>>> policies of the training programs they are considering. Leader does not
>>> give
>>>
>>> ownership upon graduation. During the past year I have had at least four
>>> consumers who have contacted me telling me that Leader has either
>>> repossessed their dog or have threatened to do so. Both the Guide Dog
>>> Foundation for the Blind and The Seeing Eye, as well as some other
>>> programs,
>>>
>>> transfer ownership upon completion of training.
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>> 813-626-2789
>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>> HTTP://NAGDU.ORG
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Terra Syslo" <tlsyslo at yahoo.com>
>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:44 AM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] a couple questions
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi. I am in the process to start applying to guide dog schools, and I
>>>> think
>>>> I have it narrowed down to 2 or 3 schools I'm looking at. Can anyone
>>>> give
>>>> me
>>>> some information as to your experiences with Leader Dogs for the Blind?
>>>> I'm
>>>> also considering GDF and maybe Seeing Eye. Thanks for any info.
>>>>
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