[nagdu] Hawaii

Jordan Gallacher jgallacher1987 at gmail.com
Wed Dec 8 22:31:41 UTC 2010


Eitehr do that or find another way to stop the fraud that does happen.   I
will start contacting other who are in a position to make which is in the
best interest of us all, and especially guide dog school.
Jordan

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Marion Gwizdala
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 4:15 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii

Jordan,
    This will never happen and, if it does, NAGDU would oppose it! There are

provisions in place to protect the public and we have too many 
owner-trainers for such governmental impositions!

fraternally yours,
Marion


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jgallacher1987 at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii


> This is where the ADA needs to be changed.  All someone can ask is is that

> a
> service animal.  Well, there really should be a requirement that even self
> trained service animals are licensed with an official i.d. card, such as
> something that states that it is a service animal. And two, if it is a 
> self
> trained animal, you should need to have the dog pass an examination, 
> working
> wise, and then issued a harness that says something like certified service
> animal.  And also, the ADA should be changed to allow someone to ask for
> documentation.
> Jordan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Jenine Stanley
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:08 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
>
> Thanks much Julie.
>
> I think we would all like to simply travel to anywhere in the world 
> without
> restrictions but reality doesn't always permit that.
>
> The reason there are in fact such requirements as submission of titer 
> tests
> and a health certificate is that the vaccine has not been 100% proven to
> prevent Rabies. In the opinion of the Hawaiian government, this is not
> sufficient to insure the safety of the state. Although federal law 
> regarding
> access rights and other civil rights does trump state law in most cases,
> when it comes to public health, things get messy.
>
> The other issue rearing its ugly head is fraud. We all know Julie and her
> dog and that she is a competent owner-trainer. What about the guy who buys

> a
> harness on line, and there are lots of places one can do just that, or a
> service dog vest or patches, and calls his well behaved family pet his
> service dog, just so it can go to Hawaii with him on vacation. During that
> vacation, the dog is allowed to run on the beach and maybe even around the
> time share property freely as a pet, because after all, what do pets do?
>
> This scenario did actually play out. I got a phone call at 11:00pm one 
> night
> from someone in the Hawaii Quarantine office. Someone had come through the
> airport with a dog claiming it was a guide dog, but the airline knew 
> nothing
> about it, allowed the person on the plane, big no-no to start, and then
> didn't notify the quarantine office about the person's arrival. The dog 
> was
> not a guide and was never tracked down. The airline admitted they screwed 
> up
> in not asking any questions, but did assure the quarantine office that the
> person wasn't blind. How they knew this is a mystery to me, but let's just
> say the Hawaiian government was not happy.
>
> The reason I got this call was that they were trying to figure out if the
> guide dog schools or GDUI kept a registry of people and could they check
> names against it. I said that each school had a list of its active
> graduates, but they'd have to call each one to find this out. Let's just 
> say
> that time was of the essence and they were not in the mood to deal with
> this. It happened shortly after the settlement went into place so I 
> suspect
> someone read all the PR articles and thought, ehy, let me try this.
>
> Though I'd love to have a way for people to get into Hawaii with the least
> amount of paperwork, some is going to be necessary. I think local 
> licensing
> as an assistance dog will work in terms of proof of identity but I'll need
> to check that one out. Local licensing is about the only means someone who
> owner trains has of proof of identity anyway if he or she wants to travel 
> to
> another country that has such a quarantine or other ID requirements.
>
> I suspect that as budgets tighten around the country, the less paperwork
> required and the less staff time required to achieve anything will win 
> out.
> So, you never know what or how the requirements will be changed.
>
> Jenine Stanley
> jeninems at wowway.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Julie J
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:13 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
>
> Jordan and Dan,
>
> I have pretty well stayed out of the Hawaii debate this time around. 
> We've
> talked about it in the past and I've been free with my opinion.  So I 
> guess
> I'll throw caution to the wind and share my thoughts. *smile*
>
> I agree with the two of you.  It isn't fair that people with guide dogs 
> have
>
> to go through so many extra steps to travel to Hawaii.  furthermore as an
> owner trainer, I am unsure that it is even possible for me to travel to
> Hawaii.  I am very much in favor of improving ease of travel to Hawaii.
>
> but I'm also torn because Hawaii is rabies free.  I can understand how
> devastating it would be to introduce rabies to the islands.  However I 
> would
>
> think that proof of the vaccine or proof of immunity through a titer test
> would be sufficient.  not sure how to accomplish that without some sort of
> extra paperwork requirement.
>
> I would also like to acknowledge the great work Of Jenine Stanly and GDUI
> for working diligently to improve the situation.  I don't think it's fair 
> to
>
> expect massive social change overnight, but Jenine made an incredible leap
> forward from where things were previously in Hawaii.  I totally completely
> agree with her when she talked about getting as much as they could in the
> settlement and working on the rest later.   "It is better to do something
> imperfectly than nothing perfectly." that's a quote I read yesterday, 
> sorry
> I can't remember whose quote it is.
>
> Julie
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jgallacher1987 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 8:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
>
>
>> Thanks Dan.   You seem to be one of the few on this group who see things
>> the
>> same way I do.
>> Jordan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Dan Weiner
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 8:15 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
>>
>> What is of concern to me, Dan, anyway, is that we have to show any
>> paperwork, have international health certificates, blood tests, and so 
>> on,
>> for a state of the USA in order to be accompanied by our guide dogs.
>> This is something I've only had to do when I travel to other countries. 
>> If
>
>> I
>> had to do this every time I traveled to another state here, I'd be forced
>> not to bring my dog with me often and I'm a safer traveler with a dog.
>>
>> Yes, I know it may never be resolved, but that's my opinion and what I at
>> least find objectionable.
>>
>> Dan W.
>>
>>
>>
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