[nagdu] Hawaii

Fri Dec 10 13:58:53 UTC 2010

As being a consumer, I like this way of thinking.

Case in point: If a bought a TV and a month later, I tell a friend of mine 
in the store were I bought it from that I put it in my living room and 
attached a Wii to it, the salesman shouldn't have the right to tell me, you 
didn't ask if you can do that.

Or if I ask here on NAGDU and GDF alumni list I am thinking of changing my 
dogs food to a healthier one instead of IAMS, I should get why did you 
change the dogs food without asking us first.

I own Maxx I decided on that, but even if we don't have the ownership, 
shouldn't it be up to us what we feed them without feeling like we are doing 
something wrong.

Sometimes I do feel that way, I know I shouldn't but I do.

The school shouldn't give anyone that feeling at all.

The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii

> Agree totally
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Julie J
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:10 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
>
> Marion,
>
> Awesome!  I think this will be a very powerful shift in thinking.  I'm
> proud
> to be a part of an organization that is working diligently to change
> what it
> means to be blind!
>
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 6:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
>
>
> > Julie,
> >    It is my experience that guide dog training programs, in general,
> hold
> > biases about such issues and have a very limited understanding of the
> > legal issues surrounding service animal access. Furthermore, I find
> that
> > many guide dog users have a very paternalistic view of the training
> > programs, believing that they should submit to them and should allow
> them
> > to have the ultimate, absolute right to do whatever they wish for
> whatever
> > reason they provide. One of the goals of my administration is to help
> > guide dog users understand that they are really consumers, not
> > beneficiaries, of guide dog training programs and should demand to be
> > treated as such. This includes the right of ownership and the right to
> be
> > left alone by the programs unless we initiate the contact.
> >
> > Fraternally yours,
> > Marion Gwizdala
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 7:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
> >
> >
> >> Jordan,
> >>
> >> I appreciate that you want to help, but quite honestly you are not
> >> impressing me.  In the message below you say that you are going to
> >> contact people that are in a position to help all of us especially
> the
> >> guide dog schools.  so which is it?  All of us or the guide dog
> programs?
> >> I'd like to think that I count as "one of us" and I'm not affiliated
> with
> >> any guide dog program.  I'm not the only blind person to train their
> own
> >> guide dog.
> >>
> >> Julie
> >>
> >>  From: "Jordan Gallacher"
> >> <jgallacher1987 at gmail.com>
> >> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 4:31 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
> >>
> >>
> >>> Eitehr do that or find another way to stop the fraud that does
> happen. I
> >>> will start contacting other who are in a position to make which is
> in
> >>> the
> >>> best interest of us all, and especially guide dog school.
> >>> Jordan
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>> Behalf
> >>> Of Marion Gwizdala
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 4:15 PM
> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
> >>>
> >>> Jordan,
> >>>    This will never happen and, if it does, NAGDU would oppose it!
> There
> >>> are
> >>>
> >>> provisions in place to protect the public and we have too many
> >>> owner-trainers for such governmental impositions!
> >>>
> >>> fraternally yours,
> >>> Marion
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jgallacher1987 at gmail.com>
> >>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'"
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:49 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> This is where the ADA needs to be changed.  All someone can ask is
> is
> >>>> that
> >>>
> >>>> a
> >>>> service animal.  Well, there really should be a requirement that
> even
> >>>> self
> >>>> trained service animals are licensed with an official i.d. card,
> such
> >>>> as
> >>>> something that states that it is a service animal. And two, if it
> is a
> >>>> self
> >>>> trained animal, you should need to have the dog pass an
> examination,
> >>>> working
> >>>> wise, and then issued a harness that says something like certified
> >>>> service
> >>>> animal.  And also, the ADA should be changed to allow someone to
> ask
> >>>> for
> >>>> documentation.
> >>>> Jordan
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>
> >>>> Behalf
> >>>> Of Jenine Stanley
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:08 AM
> >>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks much Julie.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think we would all like to simply travel to anywhere in the world
> >>>> without
> >>>> restrictions but reality doesn't always permit that.
> >>>>
> >>>> The reason there are in fact such requirements as submission of
> titer
> >>>> tests
> >>>> and a health certificate is that the vaccine has not been 100%
> proven
> >>>> to
> >>>> prevent Rabies. In the opinion of the Hawaiian government, this is
> not
> >>>> sufficient to insure the safety of the state. Although federal law
> >>>> regarding
> >>>> access rights and other civil rights does trump state law in most
> >>>> cases,
> >>>> when it comes to public health, things get messy.
> >>>>
> >>>> The other issue rearing its ugly head is fraud. We all know Julie
> and
> >>>> her
> >>>> dog and that she is a competent owner-trainer. What about the guy
> who
> >>>> buys
> >>>
> >>>> a
> >>>> harness on line, and there are lots of places one can do just that,
> or
> >>>> a
> >>>> service dog vest or patches, and calls his well behaved family pet
> his
> >>>> service dog, just so it can go to Hawaii with him on vacation.
> During
> >>>> that
> >>>> vacation, the dog is allowed to run on the beach and maybe even
> around
> >>>> the
> >>>> time share property freely as a pet, because after all, what do
> pets
> >>>> do?
> >>>>
> >>>> This scenario did actually play out. I got a phone call at 11:00pm
> one
> >>>> night
> >>>> from someone in the Hawaii Quarantine office. Someone had come
> through
> >>>> the
> >>>> airport with a dog claiming it was a guide dog, but the airline
> knew
> >>>> nothing
> >>>> about it, allowed the person on the plane, big no-no to start, and
> then
> >>>> didn't notify the quarantine office about the person's arrival. The
> dog
> >>>> was
> >>>> not a guide and was never tracked down. The airline admitted they
> >>>> screwed
> >>>> up
> >>>> in not asking any questions, but did assure the quarantine office
> that
> >>>> the
> >>>> person wasn't blind. How they knew this is a mystery to me, but
> let's
> >>>> just
> >>>> say the Hawaiian government was not happy.
> >>>>
> >>>> The reason I got this call was that they were trying to figure out
> if
> >>>> the
> >>>> guide dog schools or GDUI kept a registry of people and could they
> >>>> check
> >>>> names against it. I said that each school had a list of its active
> >>>> graduates, but they'd have to call each one to find this out. Let's
>
> >>>> just
> >>>> say
> >>>> that time was of the essence and they were not in the mood to deal
> with
> >>>> this. It happened shortly after the settlement went into place so I
> >>>> suspect
> >>>> someone read all the PR articles and thought, ehy, let me try this.
> >>>>
> >>>> Though I'd love to have a way for people to get into Hawaii with
> the
> >>>> least
> >>>> amount of paperwork, some is going to be necessary. I think local
> >>>> licensing
> >>>> as an assistance dog will work in terms of proof of identity but
> I'll
> >>>> need
> >>>> to check that one out. Local licensing is about the only means
> someone
> >>>> who
> >>>> owner trains has of proof of identity anyway if he or she wants to
> >>>> travel
> >>>> to
> >>>> another country that has such a quarantine or other ID
> requirements.
> >>>>
> >>>> I suspect that as budgets tighten around the country, the less
> >>>> paperwork
> >>>> required and the less staff time required to achieve anything will
> win
> >>>> out.
> >>>> So, you never know what or how the requirements will be changed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jenine Stanley
> >>>> jeninems at wowway.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>
> >>>> Behalf
> >>>> Of Julie J
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:13 AM
> >>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
> >>>>
> >>>> Jordan and Dan,
> >>>>
> >>>> I have pretty well stayed out of the Hawaii debate this time
> around.
> >>>> We've
> >>>> talked about it in the past and I've been free with my opinion.  So
> I
> >>>> guess
> >>>> I'll throw caution to the wind and share my thoughts. *smile*
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree with the two of you.  It isn't fair that people with guide
> dogs
> >>>> have
> >>>>
> >>>> to go through so many extra steps to travel to Hawaii.  furthermore
> as
> >>>> an
> >>>> owner trainer, I am unsure that it is even possible for me to
> travel to
> >>>> Hawaii.  I am very much in favor of improving ease of travel to
> Hawaii.
> >>>>
> >>>> but I'm also torn because Hawaii is rabies free.  I can understand
> how
> >>>> devastating it would be to introduce rabies to the islands.
> However I
> >>>> would
> >>>>
> >>>> think that proof of the vaccine or proof of immunity through a
> titer
> >>>> test
> >>>> would be sufficient.  not sure how to accomplish that without some
> sort
> >>>> of
> >>>> extra paperwork requirement.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would also like to acknowledge the great work Of Jenine Stanly
> and
> >>>> GDUI
> >>>> for working diligently to improve the situation.  I don't think
> it's
> >>>> fair
> >>>> to
> >>>>
> >>>> expect massive social change overnight, but Jenine made an
> incredible
> >>>> leap
> >>>> forward from where things were previously in Hawaii.  I totally
> >>>> completely
> >>>> agree with her when she talked about getting as much as they could
> in
> >>>> the
> >>>> settlement and working on the rest later.   "It is better to do
> >>>> something
> >>>> imperfectly than nothing perfectly." that's a quote I read
> yesterday,
> >>>> sorry
> >>>> I can't remember whose quote it is.
> >>>>
> >>>> Julie
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>> From: "Jordan Gallacher" <jgallacher1987 at gmail.com>
> >>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'"
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 8:51 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Thanks Dan.   You seem to be one of the few on this group who see
> >>>>> things
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> same way I do.
> >>>>> Jordan
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> >>>>> Behalf
> >>>>> Of Dan Weiner
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 8:15 AM
> >>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hawaii
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What is of concern to me, Dan, anyway, is that we have to show any
> >>>>> paperwork, have international health certificates, blood tests,
> and so
> >>>>> on,
> >>>>> for a state of the USA in order to be accompanied by our guide
> dogs.
> >>>>> This is something I've only had to do when I travel to other
> >>>>> countries.
> >>>>> If
> >>>>
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> had to do this every time I traveled to another state here, I'd be
>
> >>>>> forced
> >>>>> not to bring my dog with me often and I'm a safer traveler with a
> dog.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes, I know it may never be resolved, but that's my opinion and
> what I
> >>>>> at
> >>>>> least find objectionable.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dan W.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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