[nagdu] Proposing New List Rules

Sat Dec 11 17:52:07 UTC 2010

Hello,.
I find all the rule changes reasonable.
The only one I beg to differ with is the one about sharing something amazing
or impressive our dogs do.
Saying that these are things sighted folks will "oo and aa" over is I
believe, unnecessarily sarcastic.
It's natural to want to share things that are good not just complaints about
distractions, etc.
By the same tokens we could say "let's not write about problems, because all
dogs have them" or  "let's not write about dog handling issues because guide
dogs shouldn't have those issues".

So, we should share the good as well as the bad.

Fraternally,

Dan W.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jordan Gallacher
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 11:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Proposing New List Rules

Peop?e have the right and are entitled to their opinions and they have the
right to express their opinions as long as no harm is done

"Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:

>dear All,
>The Moderators and I are discussing the possibility of implementing new 
>list rules. Lately, the traffic on this list has been quite voluminous 
>and those of us with busy lifestyles cannot afford to spend the time 
>going through so many posts. Before someone says, "There is always the 
>'delete' key!", let me say that, due to my busy work and travel 
>schedule, I was not able to check my messages for about a week. On 
>Monday, I spent - without exaggeration - 2-1/2 hours going through my 
>In Box deleting messages. Frankly, I have better things to do. If I 
>were not the President of this organization, I might have unsubscribed 
>from the list.
>Before we implement new list rules, I would like to try a less formal, 
>common sense approach. First of all, the list is for the *discussion* 
>of guide dog related issues. Messages such as "Great post", "Thank you"
>or other single line messages are not discussions. Also, personal 
>messages to another subscriber are inappropriate to this list. Even 
>messages such as, "Write to me off-list" should not be posted. If you 
>want to contact someone off-list, then do so. Please do not post these 
>messages to the list for the more than 200 subscribers to read.
>Also, we are all guide dog users here. Though you may be enamored by 
>your guide dog, please do not post messages to the list about some
>*amazing* thing your dog just did! Such messages may be the stuff 
>sighted people will ooh & aah over but they are not messages meant to 
>be a point of discussion. Now, if your dog starts talking to you and 
>you are not on LSD or you wake up in the morning and find your dog has 
>prepared breakfast, this would really be amazing and we might want to 
>know about this! However, if your dog blocks you from a moving vehicle 
>or refuses to step over a cliff, that's what a guide dog is trained to 
>do! It's not "amazing"!
>As our friendly Moderator, Julie, has frequently urged us, please be 
>respectful! Remember, when you send a message to this list, you are 
>sending it to more than 200 other people. They have subscribed to this 
>list to discuss issues relating to guide dog use. Let's keep on track 
>with this purpose.
>Finally, as the adage says, opinions are like - well, you know - 
>everyone has one! You can feel free to express your opinions; however, 
>if you exercise this privilege on the list - and keep in mind it is a 
>privilege, not a right - you must allow others to express theirs. You 
>can respectfully disagree but you must do it respectfully. Those who 
>have been in the Federation for some time know that we are a very 
>opinionated bunch but personal attacks are not tolerated. If you would 
>not say something to another face-to-face, do not say it on this public 
>forum. Making personal attacks while hiding behind a computer is 
>cowardice!
>I am imploring your cooperation on this issue. I hope we will not find 
>it necessary to implement more rules; rather, I trust our subscribers 
>will conduct themselves with integrity and decorum. I feel the fewer 
>rules we have, the more enjoyable the experience will be. At the same 
>time, rules are meant to maintain some semblance of order. If we find 
>them necessary, we will do what we need to do! Thank you for your 
>cooperation!
>
>Fraternally yours,
>Marion Gwizdala, President
>National Association of Guide Dog Users National Federation of the 
>Blind
>813-626-2789
>President at NAGDU.ORG
>HTTP://NAGDU.ORG
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