[nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: Home Safe! Was Looking for Lost Guide Dog

Wed Dec 22 16:58:12 UTC 2010

It is an intriguing issue. 

Also, when we discuss retirement, I think of it as "school wants to retire the dog, handler does not" What hapens if the handler wants to retire the dog and the school says no? 

From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: Home Safe! Was Looking for Lost Guide Dog

Not all schools do.  GDB encourages it I've taught my dog a few things that
come in handy around Ruston.
Jordan

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Of James Brown
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:14 PM
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I'm confused.  Do the contracts of some schools forbid handler training?
Fidelco instructed Jordan and I to train off leash right from the beginning.

I am a new user, and the politics of all the different schools is rather
intriguing.

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From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) (Internet)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14        , 2010 12:53 PM
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: Home Safe! Was Looking for Lost Guide Dog

> I assume I can, but why should I? If the schools know there is a problem,
> why can't they teach the solution?
> And, can we legally teach a dog we don't own to do something that it
> wasn't trained to do at the school? This wouldn't apply to Seeing Eye
> grads, but would it apply to GDB or Leader or some other school where the
> grad doesn't own the dog?
> Anybody want to answer?
>
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf

> Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:43 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: [nagdu] Home Safe! Was Looking for Lost Guide Dog
>
>
> Why can't you teach off leash. That is a longer term teachingthe way I
> understand it. I always start doing it in my room when I am getting a dog
> as
> a part of my obedience training; or if not very soon after I return home.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) (Internet)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Home Safe! Was Looking for Lost Guide Dog
>
>
> Thing is, if Seeing Eye (and I'm calling them out because Cindy did) knows
> that dogs will escape, why don't they teach off-leash recall?
> Not trying to school bash, and I'd have way more understanding if the
> cause
> and effect hadn't been figured out, but if the schools know that certain
> conditions will make a dog escape, the next logical step is to teach
> off-leash recall.
> And to thicken this a bit, if we don't own our dogs, can we legally add
> training without violating our contract? It's like software, if it's
> freeware or shareware, I can do whatever I want with it. If I buy it, I'm
> really only paying for the ability to use the software not to customize
> it.
> So, the schools don't get a pass from me.
> Plus, while it's easy to say " keep hold of the dog" you can't do that
> every
> single second of every single day. Add other humans to the mix and it gets
> even harder.
> I could also argue that it isn't my job to teach off-leash recall. If I
> get
> a dog froma school, it should have that already built-in. Just like if I
> buy
> Microsoft Office, I shouldn't have to code my own word processing
> ackage.  -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:52 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Home Safe! Was Looking for Lost Guide Dog
>
> Well, I say, almost any dog will run free if it thinks it can. And once a
> long time ago we had a tip from TSE that said that once a dog discovers it
> can go out a door, it will do so with regularity. I don't think we can
> blame
> the school. Our vigilance is required here, but now and then something
> like
> that happens.
>
> Doug, I wondered, too, that the folks across the street didn't have a clue
> to whom that dog belonged. Once I gave my dog to a woman who moved to
> Arizona. The dog slipped out of her house. She searched and had the
> neighborhood search. Meanwhile, someone saw on the tag that the dog still
> had our address in Lawrence, KS on it, so she called outvet. Guess it was
> the vet's number because it was the rabies tag. They called me with the
> woman's number and I called her. She said she had found the dog wandering
> the streets. Couldn't believe altogether that this was true, so I called
> the
> number of the woman in Arizona to whom the dog had been given and said I
> had
> some information she might like to have if she would return my call. I
> really think she felt terrible, toldme all that was going on with the dog
> and swore she had hunted for her and that workmen were doing work in the
> house and had left the door opened. The dog had ben at her feet, she said,
> and was suddenly gon. Well, I believe hr because stuff happens. I had her
> for 6 or so years, so I doubt the school could have forseen she would bolt
> like that. Can't say she ever had here.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Parisian" <eggmann at mts.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Home Safe! Was Looking for Lost Guide Dog
>
>
> For the sake of continuity, I have left all the replies etc below my
> observations.
>
> Let's not place total blame on schools for providing such and such a dog;
> what ever happened to owner responsibility?  Indeed, mistakes and
> accidents
> certainly do happen.  I've experienced two or three escapes over 35 years
> and frankly, they were my own fault for:
>
> 1   not training my dogs to come off leash.  Four out of my five dogs have
> all been trained to do so, starting with my second after his first great
> escape,  Fortunately, he had his tags and was found about 6 blocks away,
> apparently having taken one of several routes we often walked together.  A
> cab company with whom I had an account picked up the fair, brought him
> back,
> and charged just as though he were a human passenger.  But then, what else
> would you expect from a dog named Iggy--YIKES!!!  Anyone experienced in
> dog
> training can help establish this behaviour, there is nothing magical or
> related to blindness in such training.
>
> 2.  Since I owned my own home; having a dog loose in the yard means having

> a
> fence, clear and simple with any entrance gate being spring-loaded so that
> said gate cannot remain open.  Further, it is extremely rare that I ever
> allowed any of my dogs to be out in the yard unaccompanied.  Jingling
> items
> can help maintain awareness as to where the dog is if necessary.  If one
> cannot built a fence, either do not let the dog have free run, or provide
> a
> tying device of appropriate length.
>
> 3.  Ensuring that my dog is properly tagged at all times.  Further, all my
> dogs have the chip imbedded in them (I've often thought of getting one for
> myself in case of accident etc.)
>
> It's sad but true that there are far too many dullards living around each
> other who are completely and totally oblivious to each other.  Amazing
> that
> a neighbour across the street had never seen this fellow with his
> dog--that
> one makes me real suspicious
>
> Doug: All tails are happy that end well.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Home Safe! Was Looking for Lost Guide Dog
>
>
>> Tell me about it, I used to have tat problem with Carter, it can be a
>> nightmare.
>>
>> Dan W.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Peter Donahue
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:50 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Home Safe! Was Looking for Lost Guide Dog
>>
>> Hello Ginger and everyone,
>>
>>    This is exactly why I was quite angry about receiving a dog who had a
>> tendency to escape. Tim was my first dog from SE and had to be chased
>> down
>> many times when he was younger. This is something that should have been
>> noted by his puppy raiser and corrected prior to him entering guide
>> training. I'm pleased to say that like my second dog Ogden Johnny is not
>> an
>> escape artist. All the tags, microchips, Pit Bull round-ups, and service
>> dog
>> protection legislation in the world won't help if your dog has the urge
>> to
>> run away and nothing is done to discourage it.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ginger Kutsch" <gingerKutsch at yahoo.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 6:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Home Safe! Was Looking for Lost Guide Dog
>>
>>
>> FYI. Good reminder for us all to replace tags ASAP!
>> Missing St. Paul guide dog found by neighbor, reunited with owner
>> Neighbor finds the runaway retriever
>> By Rhoda Fukushima and Tad Vezner
>> Pioneer Press
>> Updated: 12/13/2010 11:53:13 PM CST
>>
>>
>> Service dog Spalding, a 22-month-old male golden retriever,
>> disappeared Sunday in St. Paul s Merriam Park neighborhood.
>> (Courtesy to Pioneer Press: McDevitt family)A blind St. Paul man
>> who lost his guide dog in the freezing cold Sunday - and spent
>> that day and the next wrought with worry - was relieved to
>> discover late Monday that the dog had spent the night in a warm
>> kitchen across the street.
>>
>> About 1:30 p.m. Sunday, Justin McDevitt went to shovel snow in
>> back of his house in the 1700 block of Marshall Avenue in the
>> Merriam Park neighborhood. He believes Spalding, a 22-month-old
>> male golden retriever, followed him outside: When McDevitt went
>> inside an hour later, Spalding was not there.
>>
>> McDevitt called for him, but the dog did not respond.
>>
>> McDevitt immediately contacted the St. Paul location of the
>> Animal Humane Society and the St. Paul Animal Control Center. His
>> wife went outside to scour the neighborhood and alert neighbors.
>> Numerous media outlets picked up the story about the dog, who is
>> McDevitt's fourth and had only been with him and his family a
>> matter of weeks.
>>
>> A resident about a block down saw one of those news reports
>> Monday evening, and noticed the dog looked suspiciously like the
>> one that a next-door neighbor had found at 2:30 p.m. Sunday,
>> running around outside.
>>
>> "He was just all by himself, and there were people at the other
>> end of the block, so I thought he was with them," said neighbor
>> Connie Murphy. "First I told him to go home, and he just looked
>> at me. Then I called and he came running and just sat down. He
>> was just the most awesome dog in the whole world."
>>
>> Murphy, who has two dogs
>>
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>> herself, walked the dog around the neighborhood on a leash,
>> asking those shoveling their walks if they knew who his owner
>> might be.
>> Everyone shook their head.
>>
>> "It was cold and getting colder. I took him in to get warmed up,"
>> Murphy said. First she kept the dog in a kennel, but let him out
>> when she saw how well behaved he was. Spalding slept the night on
>> her kitchen floor.
>>
>> He was wearing a black and red nylon collar but no tags. Spalding
>> normally wears tags, but they broke off last week when McDevitt
>> mistakenly hooked the leash into the tag ring.
>>
>> On Monday evening, Murphy heard from a neighbor that the dog
>> might be McDevitt's, who lives across the street and two doors
>> down. She turned on the television, saw a news report and called
>> McDevitt's wife.
>>
>> "I think I have your dog," she said.
>>
>> "I'll be right over," the woman replied.
>>
>> "She was - zoom - right there!" Murphy said.
>>
>> Within minutes Spalding and McDevitt were reunited.
>>
>> "He was real happy. I was real happy," McDevitt said Monday
>> evening.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of David Andrews
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:08 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org; mn-abs at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] Looking for Lost Guide Dog
>>
>>
>> From KARE-11 TV:
>>
>>
>> ST. PAUL, Minn. -- Guide Dogs for the Blind is asking for your
>> assistance in locating a lost dog named "Spalding."
>>
>> The 2-year-old male yellow Labrador Retriever/Golden Retriever
>> cross breed has been specially trained to assist his blind
>> partner in safe mobility. The two have been traveling as a team
>> since October.
>>
>> Spalding has been missing from his home since 1:30 p.m. Sunday.
>> He was last seen on the 1700 block of Marshall Avenue (between
>> Fairview and Snelling) in St. Paul.
>>
>> Spalding has tattoos in both ears with his ID number. If you have
>> any information about this lost Guide Dog, please contact
>> Graduate Services at Guide Dogs for the Blind by calling
>> toll-free: 800-295-4050.
>>
>> Established in 1942, Guide Dogs for the Blind provides enhanced
>> mobility and quality of life to people who are blind through
>> lifetime partnerships with Guide Dogs. This non-profit
>> organization, headquartered in San Rafael, Calif. is the largest
>> school of its kind and has produced more than 11,000 partnerships
>> across the United States and Canada. Services are offered
>> entirely free of charge.
>>
>> (Copyright 2010 KARE. All rights reserved)
>>
>>
>>
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