[nagdu] docking and cropping dogs

Jim J jax0401 at att.net
Fri Feb 5 19:27:37 UTC 2010 

Hi all, Pilot no longer crops ears on their dobes. They unfortunately, 
however, still dock tails.

Jim & Pilot Dog Magoo.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] docking and cropping dogs


> Julie,
> Natural Boxer ears are similar to Lab ears.  They arew very cute that way! 
> So, Monty's ears sound like they are like they'd be if he were a full 
> Boxer.
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] docking and cropping dogs
>
>
>> Monty is a Boxer and lab mix.  He has natural ears that are very much 
>> like lab ears.   Well, they could look like natural Boxer ears too, but I 
>> have never seen a Boxer with natural ears so I can't compare.
>>
>> His tail was docked.  No clue why the tail would have been docked in a 
>> mixed breed dog.  He does wag it quite exuberantly at the slightest 
>> provocation. I think if it were long he could take out whole swarms of 
>> toddlers, contents of coffee tables and quite possibly break some knee 
>> caps. LOL  If I were doing the choosing though, I would not dock either 
>> ears or tail.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:22 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] docking and cropping dogs
>>
>>
>>> Hi Tami,
>>> Yeah, you and me both!  I've been to local dog shows and watched the 
>>> German shepherds walk.  Their hips were so weak and angulated that they 
>>> looked like walking in a squat position - not attractive!  I think the 
>>> show people like the curvy, flowing lines the dogs have with that 
>>> angulation.
>>>
>>> Working shepherds have a straight topline and strong hips - as produced 
>>> at guide dog schools.  Seeing Eye's shepherds have a nice straight 
>>> topline and they have good hips for the work.  Those Best-In-Show 
>>> shepherds couldn't hold up to a good working shepherd worth a diddle.
>>>
>>> It's the same for the pug-nosed breeds. They are bred with such severe 
>>> shortened noses that they can't breathe right!  that's why you hear that 
>>> labored breathing from Boxers, Pugs, Bulldogs - English and French ones. 
>>> These people seem to want to recreate dogs in the images they want 
>>> whether it is healthy for the dog or not.
>>>
>>> Take ear cropping and tail docking - both of which are illegal in the 
>>> British Isles.  Dock the tail and you take aaway a dog's full ability to 
>>> do doggie communication to avoid fights and misunderstandings with each 
>>> other. Crop the ears and the ear is left open to all kinds of foreign 
>>> debris. Natural flop ears are hairless while natural erect ears have 
>>> lots of hair in the canal to keep stuff out.  Very sad.
>>>
>>> More people are chosing to leave ears and tails natural.  What are the 
>>> ears and tails like for those of you using Boxer and Dobie guide dogs? 
>>> My friend, who had a Dobie from Pilot in the 1980s that had both docked 
>>> tail and cropped ears.  Does Pilot still crop ears or have the puppy 
>>> raisers do this? It would be so nice if America stopped allowing this to 
>>> be done to dogs.  they are beautiful as they come into this world!
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>
>>>
>>>> Linda,
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, every time I used see the Best of Breed GSD in the televised dog
>>>> shows, I would get so mad!  Why do that to such a great breed?  How is 
>>>> it
>>>> even attractive?
>>>>
>>>> I've been seeing some really great, really straight young shepherds at 
>>>> the
>>>> dog park we go to.  I like the more level top line much better!
>>>>
>>>> So maybe the breed is heading back toward a healthier hip angle.  I 
>>>> hope so!
>>>>
>>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Linda Gwizdak
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:54 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>
>>>> Marion,
>>>> I wonder if GDF will encounter the same problems with German shepherds 
>>>> as
>>>> GDB?  It's a shame how this beautiful breed has been ruined by the 
>>>> show-dog
>>>> crowd!
>>>>
>>>> I know aboout the "pressure" of being the first one in something. In my 
>>>> work
>>>>
>>>> with the Humane Society, I am the first disabled person with their 
>>>> service
>>>> dog to join the Pet-Assisted Therapy Program.  they've had lots of
>>>> puppy-raisers and their service dog pups, but not someone like me. they 
>>>> are
>>>> very happy with my and Landon's performance of the job that another 
>>>> program
>>>> wants me to join them!
>>>>
>>>> You'll do fine - and the new shepherd guide!
>>>>
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:08 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Linda,
>>>>>    GDF hasn't trained Shepherds in more than 20 years. Because I have 
>>>>> so
>>>>> much experience with the breed, they are re-introducing them with me 
>>>>> as
>>>>> their first handler. Oh, the pressure! (smile)
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:54 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Marion,
>>>>>> I didn't think Guide Dog Foundation used German shepherds anymore. 
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> name "Sarge" seems to fit a shepherd more than it would a Lab.  I 
>>>>>> have a
>>>>>> friend at the Naval Medical Center who has a Lab named "Scout".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My dog, Landon is named for Michael Landon actor in the old TV 
>>>>>> series,
>>>>>> "Bonanza" - Little Joe who was always fighting!  The actor Landon was
>>>>>> also in "Little House on the Prairie" and I think "Stairway to 
>>>>>> Heaven".
>>>>>> He was a more mature and peaceful charactor on those two shows! I 
>>>>>> enjoyed
>>>>
>>>>>> the first two shows!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My old dogs were Heidi, Charm (and she was!), Brownie (my Mom said 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> her brown eyes - she was black!), Olivia, Hanna, Janelle, Jacob, and 
>>>>>> now
>>>>>> Landon. I liked all the names and didn't feel the need to change 
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 6:37 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Interesting Names Re: guide dog book about young
>>>>>> person
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rox,
>>>>>>>    When I first heard my future guide dog's name, my first 
>>>>>>> impression
>>>>>>> was, "Oh, no! That will need to change!" However, the more I have
>>>>>>> learned about him, the more his name seems to fit him! He is a big
>>>>>>> German Shepherd,weighing in at 91 lbs. about three weeks ago and not 
>>>>>>> yet
>>>>
>>>>>>> 2 years old. He has an all black face and gold eyes! His name is 
>>>>>>> Sarge!
>>>>>>>    Now, I'm a fairly liberal person and would consider myself a 
>>>>>>> peace
>>>>>>> activist, so the name seemed a little out-of-place for me. At the 
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> time, my first trainer was also the Founder and Executive Director 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the school from which I recieved my first three guide dogs. He is 
>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>> the Director of Training (I think they call it Training Officer) for 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind. His name? Well, Mike Sargeant, 
>>>>>>> often
>>>>
>>>>>>> called "Sarge"! When I spoke with him the last time, he referred to 
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> dog as "my namesake"! Mike is a great guy and I count him as a close
>>>>>>> colleague, so I couldn't change Sarge's name now! BTW, Mike told me 
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>> thought of changing Sarge's name himself just to rattle my cage! To
>>>>>>> what? Well, he said he thought of "ACB"! Nice guy, huh? And I call 
>>>>>>> him a
>>>>
>>>>>>> friend? (big grin)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> fraternally yours,
>>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "The Pawpower Pack" <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:45 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Interesting Names Re: guide dog book about 
>>>>>>> young
>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I adopted Laveau from the humane society, her name was Marge. 
>>>>>>>> That
>>>>
>>>>>>>> had to go because... it just did.  It didn't take her long to 
>>>>>>>> switch
>>>>>>>> and now when I say or sign her name she wags like crazy.  She was 
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> a year old and I don't know how long she had been stuck with the 
>>>>>>>> horrid
>>>>
>>>>>>>> moniker of Marge.  No offense to anyone with that name but it just
>>>>>>>> wasn't for her.  Also I'm a huge Harry Potter fan and everyone 
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> have called her aunt Marge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
>>>>>>>> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
>>>>>>>> "It's wildly irritating to have invented something as revolutionary 
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> sarcasm, only to have it abused by amateurs." -- Christopher Moore
>>>>>>>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
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