[nagdu] Interesting Names Re: guide dog book about young person

Marion & Martin swampfox1833 at verizon.net
Sat Feb 6 16:25:52 UTC 2010 

Tami,
    The correct form of that word is "chutzhund", meaning "protection dog". 
Schutzhund has three elements: Obedience, tracking, & protection. My ex-wife 
and I trained her Shepherd/Wolf hybrid in schutzhund. The protection part of 
the work is graded on the dog's ability to not only perform well in that 
phase, but with the ability to differentiate between  threatening and 
non-threatening behavior. Points are subtracted during competition if the 
dog exhibits agressive behavior at an inappropriate time. One of the drills 
is to have a group of people milling around the dog and then have one of 
them become threatening. Ideally, the dog will only protect the handler from 
the threatening person.
    The whole protection element is only a game to the dog. Though it 
appears to be exhibiting agressive behavior, a good schutzhund can turn it 
on and off as easily as you turn on a light switch!  another way a 
schutzhund can lose competitive points is to exhibit aggression once the 
threatening behavior is removed. This is often done by introducing the dog 
to the same person who was aggressive to see how it reacts. Again, ideally, 
the dog should be able to interact with the formerly threatening person 
without "turning on"!
    Camen, our schutzhund dog, weighed in at 120 lbs. and was a very gentle 
dog. He would, however, rip your arm off if he felt threatened. He displayed 
dominance over me once, but never again! It only took me rolling him over on 
his back by the scruff of his neck to teach him who was the alpha dog 
between the two of us. Well, I guess I was the "beta dog", as my ex-wife was 
the alpha. I never felt a bit of worry when my wife and he were together! 
(grin)

Marion



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Interesting Names Re: guide dog book about young person


> Linda,
>
> Well, you do know how to accessorize.  /grin/
>
> Shortly before I moved out here, a young polish woman began bringing her 
> GSD
> puppy to the park.  He must be a really big fella by now!  I think she 
> used
> some German -- or maybe Polish -- commands. With her accent, they sounded
> wonderfully exotic and very fitting to her german dog! /smile/  She and 
> the
> owner of the young yet huge Belgian shepherd were both starting early
> training for that German dog sport I'm about to mangle the name of.
> Schatzhund?  Something like that. I was really intrigued and began to
> consider working some of that into Mitzi's training to keep her busy while
> she was growing up enough to be a guide dog -- she got the commands and
> guide work down so fast that there wasn't a lot to do there for awhile
> except review, reinforce and let her do "work" on limited safe routes 
> until
> she grew up a bit more and was ready to expand a smidge, and so on.  I
> really didn't want to her get stale before she was old enough to go to 
> work,
> so I was hard up for some way to keep that busy young mind out of trouble
> and moving in the right direction as it finished developing.  I also 
> thought
> it wouldn't hurt to have her cross-trained in something in case she needed 
> a
> fall back if guide work didn't pan out for her.
>
> Anyway, they almost had me hooked until they got to the guard dog facet of
> the sport.  /smile/  Not the best choice of avocation for a guide dog!  So 
> I
> just enjoyed watching them introduce the fundamentals with their dogs 
> while
> I played with Mitzi.
>
> I liked having Mitzi watch the shepherds learn obedience because she picks
> up so much from other dogs!  Neither puppy was up to more than a quick
> recall and release, with maybe a brief sit stay, in the middle of play.
> That shepherd response to commands, though, is so totally opposite of
> Mitzi's poodle style.  I can't see the current crop of subadult shepherds 
> at
> our new park as well, except as vague silhouettes, but I still do like to
> watch them.  Poodles do seem to have very similar personality traits, much
> more so than with labs or goldens, but the differences in how they express
> those traits are fun to observe, too.
>
> The Polish woman's accent wasn't strong, but it was really lovely, I
> thought.  I ran into an older gentleman from Poland on the bus and was 
> able
> to recognize his accent.  We ended up having an intriguing conversation
> about language, in fact, since he spoke 5 of them.
>
> He tried Polish on Mitzi. She gave him a bored look.  Then German.  Nope.
> Spanish?  She was mildly curious.  Then he spoke to her in French, and she
> grinned and wagged her tale.  /lol/  Guess she really is a French poodle!
> He got a big kick out of that and spent the rest of the journey talking to
> my dog in French.  /lol/
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Linda Gwizdak
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:27 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Interesting Names Re: guide dog book about young 
> person
>
> Marion,
> That is too cool to have Sarge be a Polish dog as well!  When he executes 
> a
> German command, you can give him the Polish - now, I'll mangle the
> spelling - Dubsha (thank you)!  Or was it "genkuya" - too many years ago
> that I heard Polish from my grandparents! (grin!) I'll have to ask one of 
> my
>
> Soo Bahk Do instructors - he's from Poland and speaks it with his mother.
> Hearing Polish brought me back many great memories of the Polish-American
> Club my grandfather took us to on occasion.
>
> Take care,
> The little red polack! I have red hair as well!  Along with Landon with 
> his
> matching hair! Lyn
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Interesting Names Re: guide dog book about young 
> person
>
>
>> Linda,
>>    another interesting tidbit about Sarge is that, even though he is a
>> German Shepherd, he is actually from Poland! Isn't that a little too
>> sychronistic!
>>
>> fraternally yours,
>> The Big Red Polock!
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Interesting Names Re: guide dog book about young
>> person
>>
>>
>>> Marion,
>>> That's neat about the German commands. Did you train police dogs while
>>> blind or were you fully sighted at the time? There was an article in our
>>> paper awhile back about a local visually impaired man who trained police
>>> and guard dogs and did it well - why of course!!!
>>>
>>> One of the things that will help your dog to learn the German commands 
>>> is
>
>>> to be sure to use the hand signals along with the English.  Maybe as a
>>> former trainer you already know about that (grin!)!
>>>
>>> Good luck with the new dog and hope your trainer's wife recovers well
>>> from her surgery. I bet you can't wait!!  I'd be tired of the long, 
>>> white
>
>>> one-legged dog by now!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 3:27 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Interesting Names Re: guide dog book about young
>>> person
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nicole,
>>>>    I think that the dog would do just fine with a name change during or
>>>> after training. My past guide's name is Louiza. I call her Lou-Lou,
>>>> Weeza, and sometimes....well, things I won't write in email! (smile)
>>>>    In fact, because my wife and I both work dogs and I was a former
>>>> police dog trainer, I am going to switch my dog to German commands by
>>>> pairing the German ones with the English for a while then only using
>>>> German. I'll let you know how that works!
>>>>
>>>> fraternally yours,
>>>> Marion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:04 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Interesting Names Re: guide dog book about young
>>>> person
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Lol, and, indeed, that would not have worked.  I am sure that their
>>>>> personalities do not match in the least.  The reason that I do not
>>>>> recommend changing a dog's name is mainly because that is what they
>>>>> have been trained with, and they go through enough other changes, but
>>>>> the situation that you talk about is quite different; I did not mean 
>>>>> to
>
>>>>> generalize or anything.
>>>>> Anyone else have any funny name stories?
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "The Pawpower Pack" <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:45 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Interesting Names Re: guide dog book about young
>>>>> person
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> When I adopted Laveau from the humane society, her name was Marge.
>>>>>> That had to go because... it just did.  It didn't take her long to
>>>>>> switch and now when I say or sign her name she wags like crazy.  She
>>>>>> was only a year old and I don't know how long she had been stuck with
>>>>>> the horrid moniker of Marge.  No offense to anyone with that name but
>>>>>> it just wasn't for her.  Also I'm a huge Harry Potter fan and 
>>>>>> everyone
>
>>>>>> would have called her aunt Marge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
>>>>>> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
>>>>>> "It's wildly irritating to have invented something as revolutionary 
>>>>>> as
>
>>>>>> sarcasm, only to have it abused by amateurs." -- Christopher Moore
>>>>>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Windows Live Only: Brisomania at hotmail.com
>>>>>> AIM: Brissysgirl Yahoo: lillebriss
>>>>>>
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