[nagdu] FW: Re: visit to a prison

Marion & Martin swampfox1833 at verizon.net
Sat Feb 6 18:48:07 UTC 2010


Albert,
    There is another program whose acronym is IMPACT, though I'm not really 
sure what it stands for or if it is still in place. It is (or was) the 
program sponsored by S
outheastern Guide Dogs.

Fraternally yours,
Marion



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Re: visit to a prison


> You are correct, the program for inmates raising guides is called puppies
> behind bars if I am not mistaken.
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> CEO/Founder
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Susan Jones
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:05 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Re: visit to a prison
>
> Going into a prison is serious business, no matter who you are, or what 
> you
> bring.
> I think Albert said it was really a county jail anyway?
> Anything could happen, of course, but I think they are about as likely to
> hold a guide dog hostage as a visitor.
> Some service dogs are even raised by people serving time in prison.
> Regards,
> Susan & Rhoda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Stepper
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:29 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FW: Re: visit to a prison
>
> Hello Albert
> This may surprise you, however I disagree with the prison allowing. you to
> have your dog in the prison.
> Here's why.
> First of all I for many years have gone to several prisons and jails all
> over the northwest, for 30 years now.
> The problem with you having your dog is that your dog could be hurt or
> injured or even held as a hostage by a detained prisoner to achieve
> attention, or worse.
> Can you imagine the bind the prison would be in if that happened.
> Please don't think it isn't possible. Just by the nature of the population
> the main job of the staff is to control the uncontrollable, and prevent 
> the
> unexpected, and bazaar.
> Remember, it doesn't have to make sense to us, only them.
> Could you see this on the nightly news one night.
> Guide dog held hostage, and threatened with injury if prisoner demands not
> met.
> Especially if you were in a common visiting room where prisoners and 
> family
> and friends can move about freely.
> I think your imply threat to go to the political is what spooked them in 
> to
> allowing your visit that time.
> Also a long white cane, or folding cane or collapsing cane can be a weapon
> in a moment.
> I believe your friend very well had something to worry about after he left
> the visiting area.
> The staff may knuckle under at times, but most times the person visited 
> gets
> it taken out on them in one way or another.
> Please I don't say this to criticize you, I am voicing my opinion and
> experience because I think sometimes we get caught up with fighting for 
> our
> rights, and at times there can be other problems and dangers created we 
> may
> not be aware of at the time.
> When I visited prisons or jails, I never took my dogs in, because of the
> above possible problems. But they were explained to me ahead of time, so I
> had a clear understanding.
> The same was true with my canes.
> I turned my canes, shoestrings, belt, lighters, combs,and anything else 
> that
> could be used as a weapon  against me or others.
>  I than went sighted guide to visit, or to carry on a meeting, or teach a
> class Most times these issues are addressed before you can enter the first
> gate.
> Its clear you caught these officers by surprise, as they admitted.
> I would never want to be the one that gave a prisoner anything they could
> use to harm me, mine, or others.
>
> Stepper
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:02 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] FW: Re: visit to a prison
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>> CEO/Founder
>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>> New York, New York  10004
>> www.myblindspot.org
>>
>> PH: 917-553-0347
>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who 
>> is
>> doing it."
>>
>> Visit us on Facebook
>>
> <http://www.facebook.com/home.php?filter=pp#/pages/My-Blind-Spot/19374068832
>> 8?ref=nf>   <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/albert-j-rizzi/13/142/0> 
>> LinkedIn
>>
>>
>>
>>  _____
>>
>> From: Albert J Rizzi [mailto:albert at myblindspot.org]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:39 AM
>> To: 'nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] visit to a prison
>>
>>
>>
>> I had what could have been a very frustrating experience, but with cooler
>> heads prevailing, I was afforded access.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yesterday I went to visit a young man in my community who fell on the
>> wrong
>> side of trouble and is doing a short stint in the local jail. I had heard
>> tell of instances where people with walkers and canes were asked, or
>> should
>> I say ordered to check their canes and walkers at the door before 
>> entering
>> for a visit. I find this to be ridiculous but can appreciate the 
>> reasoning
>> behind security and other concerns present with what could quickly turn 
>> to
>
>> a
>> volatile  situation at any moment. that thought being given I decided to
>> take my guide dog instead of my cane.
>>
>> After waiting on line, checking in and having been there for over half an
>> hour, we were called to the desk, but I had already overheard a call that
>> had been made inquiring into the procedures to follow with a guide dog 
>> and
>> his visitor. At first I was told it would complicate the drug dogs and
>> their
>> ability to do their job. I quipped  they are both service animals with
>> specific trainings  which each handler should in any instance be able to
>> control their animal and keep them on task and under control. I let desk
>> clerk know I felt my rights as a citizen were being violated and I was
>> being
>> wrongly discriminated upon due to lack of knowledge of legislation in
>> place
>> to ensure my equal access. I asked to speak to a supervisor and was told
>> he
>> was transferred and there was no immediate supervisor present. I
>> questioned
>> that immediately and then asked in his or her absence to speak to their
>> supervisor, or better yet, could they get the warden on the phone? I was
>> told he was a busy man and that the clerk did not have his number. So I
>> suggested that the clerk call the same person he did when I was sitting
>> some
>> 40 feet away who gave him the misinformation so that I might speak with
>> him
>> directly. They then suggested that we all meet, myself, my dog and the
>> young
>> man I was visiting meet in a contained area with a glass wall between
>> ourselves. I felt that was unacceptable as no one else present was being
>> asked to do that same thing during their visit. I insisted that the 
>> mother
>> of the young man I was to visit go ahead while I waited to talk to 
>> someone
>> in authority other then a clerk.  I advised the clerk that he was in
>> violation of the ADA, hoping he was to tell you the truth, and that if I
>> were denied equal access then I would be forced to take the matter up 
>> with
>> my senator and assemblymen. I also let him know that the types of
>> intimidation tactics used to maintain  order were lost on me as I come
>> from
>> a long line of law enforcement officials and am immune to such things.
>> Eventually, lutenent  Destefano asked me to step aside and discuss the
>> matter in quiet. He understood my position and admitted that they had
>> never
>> had a guide dog come to prison before and were completely taken off guard
>> on
>> proper protocol. I thanked him for his honesty and let him know that this
>> was my first time to a prison, and it was my first time as a blind man. 
>> we
>> immediately fell into a dialogue which led to a simple request. That if
>> and
>> when I were to come again, would I give them a heads up so they could 
>> make
>> arrangements  much as they do for others visiting with children. We would
>> have been afforded access in a manner that would not have to complicate
>> the
>> delicate balance within the prison. His concerns were not lost on me when
>> after having only been sitting with my friend and her son, without a wall
>> dividing us, a man was handcuffed and led away as he was attempting to
>> pass
>> contraband into the prison illegally. I left feeling I had struck a blow
>> for
>> our community and will be writing a letter to the warden, copy the 
>> senator
>> and thank the warden and lute ant Estefan for treating me with respect 
>> and
>> in a proper fashion befitting any American. I will say that when I got to
>> my
>> intended visit, the young man was fearful of retribution toward him once 
>> I
>> left. I hope not, but will report back if and when I hear anything. I
>> would
>> welcome opinions on how I handled myself as I take very seriously the
>> responsibility of representing the blind in an empowered manner while
>> educating others along the way. All in all it was a good experience. I
>> even
>> got a pat on the back from two people sitting in the lobby who
>> complimented
>> me on how I handled myself in a powerful way and how impressed they were
>> that I did not bend to intimidation..
>>
>>
>>
>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>> CEO/Founder
>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>> New York, New York  10004
>> <http://www.myblindspot.org> www.myblindspot.org
>>
>> PH: 917-553-0347
>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who 
>> is
>> doing it."
>>
>> Visit us on
>>
> <http://www.facebook.com/home.php?filter=pp#/pages/My-Blind-Spot/19374068832
>> 8?ref=nf> Facebook  <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/albert-j-rizzi/13/142/0>
>> LinkedIn
>>
>>
>>
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