[nagdu] chocolate labs was Re: Dog names

Sun Feb 7 21:58:52 UTC 2010

However, most of the chocolates that I have met in my life are quite large. 
I do not know if this is just a coincidence or if all chocolates are this 
way.  They were almost too large to be guides.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jonathan Lyens" <jonathan at lyens.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] chocolate labs was Re: Dog names

> Hi Julie,
>
> Thanks for this. You have pointed out an important fact. Chocolate color
> in labs is a recessive trait. GDB does not specifically breed for this
> color, as it has nothing to do with the dogs suitability for guide work.
> I'd have to believe if it made a difference, they'd modify their
> breeding program.
>
> Best-
>
> Jonathan
>
> Jonathan T. Lyens MPA
> Email: jonathan at lyens.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Julie J
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 7:41 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] chocolate labs was Re: Dog names
>
> Except for the color chocolate labs are the same as the other colors.
> Here's an article I found that explains it pretty well.
> http://www.labbies.com/genetics.htm
>
> The short version is that black is the dominant gene and most labs will
> end
> up this color.  The next most common color is yellow and chocolate comes
> in
> third.   Depending on your particular breeding program and the recessive
>
> genes in those dogs, chocolate labs may never appear.  It is totally a
> color
> thing and has nothing to do with health or temperament.
>
> HTH
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>
>
>>I was told by a GDB graduate that GDB didn't use chocolate Labs because
>
>>they weren't as good as the black or yellow ones. But, maybe they just
>>don't have them.
>>
>> If it is true about the bloodlines, they would have to have only
> breeding
>> stock that has either a family tree of only black or yellow genes.
> Lots of
>> times a black Lab with yellow genes can welp chocolates - chocolates
> must
>> have both black and yellow genes to make the brown color.  They have
> to be
>> occasionally bred to black Labs to keep the chocolate color dark and
> rich.
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>
>>
>>> Don't quote me on this one, but I've heard that it is not so much
> "won't
>>> use" chocolates as that they just are not in the blood line.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:31 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nicole,
>>>>>From what I've heard, GDB no longer uses German shepherds and they
> also
>>>> don't use chocolate Labs. I can understand the shepherds but don't
> know
>>>> why they won't use chocolate Labs.  Seeing Eye uses them without any
>
>>>> more problems than with any other colored Labs.
>>>>
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:48 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yes... it's ashame.  I was stuck on shepherds for a while, but I
>>>>> realized that I probably was not going to get one from GDB.  They
>>>>> usually do not give first timers shepherds.  Also, the number was
> so
>>>>> low that I would rather leave what there was for the people who
> would
>>>>> take nothing else. However, I did get to visit with one of the
>>>>> shepherds who was going out in the next class.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:54 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Marion,
>>>>>> I wonder if GDF will encounter the same problems with German
> shepherds
>>>>>> as GDB?  It's a shame how this beautiful breed has been ruined by
> the
>>>>>> show-dog crowd!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know aboout the "pressure" of being the first one in something.
> In
>>>>>> my work with the Humane Society, I am the first disabled person
> with
>>>>>> their service dog to join the Pet-Assisted Therapy Program.
> they've
>>>>>> had lots of puppy-raisers and their service dog pups, but not
> someone
>>>>>> like me. they are very happy with my and Landon's performance of
> the
>>>>>> job that another program wants me to join them!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You'll do fine - and the new shepherd guide!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:08 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linda,
>>>>>>>    GDF hasn't trained Shepherds in more than 20 years. Because I
> have
>>>>>>> so much experience with the breed, they are re-introducing them
> with
>>>>>>> me as their first handler. Oh, the pressure! (smile)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:54 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Marion,
>>>>>>>> I didn't think Guide Dog Foundation used German shepherds
> anymore.
>>>>>>>> The name "Sarge" seems to fit a shepherd more than it would a
> Lab.
>>>>>>>> I have a friend at the Naval Medical Center who has a Lab named
>>>>>>>> "Scout".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My dog, Landon is named for Michael Landon actor in the old TV
>>>>>>>> series, "Bonanza" - Little Joe who was always fighting!  The
> actor
>>>>>>>> Landon was also in "Little House on the Prairie" and I think
>>>>>>>> "Stairway to Heaven". He was a more mature and peaceful
> charactor on
>>>>>>>> those two shows! I enjoyed the first two shows!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My old dogs were Heidi, Charm (and she was!), Brownie (my Mom
> said
>>>>>>>> for her brown eyes - she was black!), Olivia, Hanna, Janelle,
> Jacob,
>>>>>>>> and now Landon. I liked all the names and didn't feel the need
> to
>>>>>>>> change them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 6:37 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Interesting Names Re: guide dog book about
>>>>>>>> young person
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rox,
>>>>>>>>>    When I first heard my future guide dog's name, my first
>>>>>>>>> impression was, "Oh, no! That will need to change!" However,
> the
>>>>>>>>> more I have learned about him, the more his name seems to fit
> him!
>>>>>>>>> He is a big German Shepherd,weighing in at 91 lbs. about three
>>>>>>>>> weeks ago and not yet 2 years old. He has an all black face and
>
>>>>>>>>> gold eyes! His name is Sarge!
>>>>>>>>>    Now, I'm a fairly liberal person and would consider myself a
>
>>>>>>>>> peace activist, so the name seemed a little out-of-place for
> me. At
>>>>>>>>> the same time, my first trainer was also the Founder and
> Executive
>>>>>>>>> Director of the school from which I recieved my first three
> guide
>>>>>>>>> dogs. He is now the Director of Training (I think they call it
>>>>>>>>> Training Officer) for the Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind.
> His
>>>>>>>>> name? Well, Mike Sargeant, often called "Sarge"! When I spoke
> with
>>>>>>>>> him the last time, he referred to my dog as "my namesake"! Mike
> is
>>>>>>>>> a great guy and I count him as a close colleague, so I couldn't
>
>>>>>>>>> change Sarge's name now! BTW, Mike told me he thought of
> changing
>>>>>>>>> Sarge's name himself just to rattle my cage! To what? Well, he
> said
>>>>>>>>> he thought of "ACB"! Nice guy, huh? And I call him a friend?
> (big
>>>>>>>>> grin)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> fraternally yours,
>>>>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>> From: "The Pawpower Pack" <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:45 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Interesting Names Re: guide dog book about
>
>>>>>>>>> young person
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When I adopted Laveau from the humane society, her name was
> Marge.
>>>>>>>>>> That had to go because... it just did.  It didn't take her
> long to
>>>>>>>>>> switch and now when I say or sign her name she wags like
> crazy.
>>>>>>>>>> She was only a year old and I don't know how long she had been
>
>>>>>>>>>> stuck with the horrid moniker of Marge.  No offense to anyone
> with
>>>>>>>>>> that name but it just wasn't for her.  Also I'm a huge Harry
>>>>>>>>>> Potter fan and everyone would have called her aunt Marge.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
>>>>>>>>>> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
>>>>>>>>>> "It's wildly irritating to have invented something as
>>>>>>>>>> revolutionary as sarcasm, only to have it abused by amateurs."
> --
>>>>>>>>>> Christopher Moore
>>>>>>>>>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Windows Live Only: Brisomania at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> AIM: Brissysgirl Yahoo: lillebriss
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