[nagdu] chocolate labs was Re: Dog names

Michelle m-johnson at bigpond.com
Mon Feb 8 22:13:35 UTC 2010


Ha ha, my large male yellow lab from Guide Dogs South Australia and Northern 
Territory is quite mellow but extremely energetic!

Michelle
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] chocolate labs was Re: Dog names


> Hi Nichole,
> When I was at Seeing Eye in 1999 to get Jacob, there were a litter of
> Chocolate Labs in the class.  They were all medium to small in size. 
> Seeing
> Eye tries to breed on the smaller size. I've seen some very huge Labs from
> DGB!   The large ones tend to be mellow while many of the small Labs are
> high energy.
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] chocolate labs was Re: Dog names
>
>
>> However, most of the chocolates that I have met in my life are quite
>> large. I do not know if this is just a coincidence or if all chocolates
>> are this way.  They were almost too large to be guides.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jonathan Lyens" <jonathan at lyens.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] chocolate labs was Re: Dog names
>>
>>
>>> Hi Julie,
>>>
>>> Thanks for this. You have pointed out an important fact. Chocolate color
>>> in labs is a recessive trait. GDB does not specifically breed for this
>>> color, as it has nothing to do with the dogs suitability for guide work.
>>> I'd have to believe if it made a difference, they'd modify their
>>> breeding program.
>>>
>>> Best-
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> Jonathan T. Lyens MPA
>>> Email: jonathan at lyens.com
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Julie J
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 7:41 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: [nagdu] chocolate labs was Re: Dog names
>>>
>>> Except for the color chocolate labs are the same as the other colors.
>>> Here's an article I found that explains it pretty well.
>>> http://www.labbies.com/genetics.htm
>>>
>>> The short version is that black is the dominant gene and most labs will
>>> end
>>> up this color.  The next most common color is yellow and chocolate comes
>>> in
>>> third.   Depending on your particular breeding program and the recessive
>>>
>>> genes in those dogs, chocolate labs may never appear.  It is totally a
>>> color
>>> thing and has nothing to do with health or temperament.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> Julie
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>
>>>
>>>>I was told by a GDB graduate that GDB didn't use chocolate Labs because
>>>
>>>>they weren't as good as the black or yellow ones. But, maybe they just
>>>>don't have them.
>>>>
>>>> If it is true about the bloodlines, they would have to have only
>>> breeding
>>>> stock that has either a family tree of only black or yellow genes.
>>> Lots of
>>>> times a black Lab with yellow genes can welp chocolates - chocolates
>>> must
>>>> have both black and yellow genes to make the brown color.  They have
>>> to be
>>>> occasionally bred to black Labs to keep the chocolate color dark and
>>> rich.
>>>>
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:03 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Don't quote me on this one, but I've heard that it is not so much
>>> "won't
>>>>> use" chocolates as that they just are not in the blood line.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:31 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nicole,
>>>>>>>From what I've heard, GDB no longer uses German shepherds and they
>>> also
>>>>>> don't use chocolate Labs. I can understand the shepherds but don't
>>> know
>>>>>> why they won't use chocolate Labs.  Seeing Eye uses them without any
>>>
>>>>>> more problems than with any other colored Labs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:48 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes... it's ashame.  I was stuck on shepherds for a while, but I
>>>>>>> realized that I probably was not going to get one from GDB.  They
>>>>>>> usually do not give first timers shepherds.  Also, the number was
>>> so
>>>>>>> low that I would rather leave what there was for the people who
>>> would
>>>>>>> take nothing else. However, I did get to visit with one of the
>>>>>>> shepherds who was going out in the next class.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:54 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marion,
>>>>>>>> I wonder if GDF will encounter the same problems with German
>>> shepherds
>>>>>>>> as GDB?  It's a shame how this beautiful breed has been ruined by
>>> the
>>>>>>>> show-dog crowd!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know aboout the "pressure" of being the first one in something.
>>> In
>>>>>>>> my work with the Humane Society, I am the first disabled person
>>> with
>>>>>>>> their service dog to join the Pet-Assisted Therapy Program.
>>> they've
>>>>>>>> had lots of puppy-raisers and their service dog pups, but not
>>> someone
>>>>>>>> like me. they are very happy with my and Landon's performance of
>>> the
>>>>>>>> job that another program wants me to join them!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You'll do fine - and the new shepherd guide!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:08 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Linda,
>>>>>>>>>    GDF hasn't trained Shepherds in more than 20 years. Because I
>>> have
>>>>>>>>> so much experience with the breed, they are re-introducing them
>>> with
>>>>>>>>> me as their first handler. Oh, the pressure! (smile)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:54 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Dog names
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Marion,
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't think Guide Dog Foundation used German shepherds
>>> anymore.
>>>>>>>>>> The name "Sarge" seems to fit a shepherd more than it would a
>>> Lab.
>>>>>>>>>> I have a friend at the Naval Medical Center who has a Lab named
>>>>>>>>>> "Scout".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My dog, Landon is named for Michael Landon actor in the old TV
>>>>>>>>>> series, "Bonanza" - Little Joe who was always fighting!  The
>>> actor
>>>>>>>>>> Landon was also in "Little House on the Prairie" and I think
>>>>>>>>>> "Stairway to Heaven". He was a more mature and peaceful
>>> charactor on
>>>>>>>>>> those two shows! I enjoyed the first two shows!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My old dogs were Heidi, Charm (and she was!), Brownie (my Mom
>>> said
>>>>>>>>>> for her brown eyes - she was black!), Olivia, Hanna, Janelle,
>>> Jacob,
>>>>>>>>>> and now Landon. I liked all the names and didn't feel the need
>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> change them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 6:37 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Interesting Names Re: guide dog book about
>>>>>>>>>> young person
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rox,
>>>>>>>>>>>    When I first heard my future guide dog's name, my first
>>>>>>>>>>> impression was, "Oh, no! That will need to change!" However,
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> more I have learned about him, the more his name seems to fit
>>> him!
>>>>>>>>>>> He is a big German Shepherd,weighing in at 91 lbs. about three
>>>>>>>>>>> weeks ago and not yet 2 years old. He has an all black face and
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> gold eyes! His name is Sarge!
>>>>>>>>>>>    Now, I'm a fairly liberal person and would consider myself a
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> peace activist, so the name seemed a little out-of-place for
>>> me. At
>>>>>>>>>>> the same time, my first trainer was also the Founder and
>>> Executive
>>>>>>>>>>> Director of the school from which I recieved my first three
>>> guide
>>>>>>>>>>> dogs. He is now the Director of Training (I think they call it
>>>>>>>>>>> Training Officer) for the Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind.
>>> His
>>>>>>>>>>> name? Well, Mike Sargeant, often called "Sarge"! When I spoke
>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> him the last time, he referred to my dog as "my namesake"! Mike
>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> a great guy and I count him as a close colleague, so I couldn't
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> change Sarge's name now! BTW, Mike told me he thought of
>>> changing
>>>>>>>>>>> Sarge's name himself just to rattle my cage! To what? Well, he
>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>> he thought of "ACB"! Nice guy, huh? And I call him a friend?
>>> (big
>>>>>>>>>>> grin)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> fraternally yours,
>>>>>>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "The Pawpower Pack" <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:45 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Interesting Names Re: guide dog book about
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> young person
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When I adopted Laveau from the humane society, her name was
>>> Marge.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That had to go because... it just did.  It didn't take her
>>> long to
>>>>>>>>>>>> switch and now when I say or sign her name she wags like
>>> crazy.
>>>>>>>>>>>> She was only a year old and I don't know how long she had been
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> stuck with the horrid moniker of Marge.  No offense to anyone
>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> that name but it just wasn't for her.  Also I'm a huge Harry
>>>>>>>>>>>> Potter fan and everyone would have called her aunt Marge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
>>>>>>>>>>>> "It's wildly irritating to have invented something as
>>>>>>>>>>>> revolutionary as sarcasm, only to have it abused by amateurs."
>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christopher Moore
>>>>>>>>>>>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Live Only: Brisomania at hotmail.com
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
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