[nagdu] Giving Commands to Canes

Sat Feb 13 11:41:28 UTC 2010

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Giving Commands to Canes

> Sherri,
>     Maybe you ought to switch to a broom stick! ((teasing grin)
>
> Marion
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sherri" <flmom2006 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Giving Commands to Canes
>
>
> >I told my cane to "find the door" in
> > Washington, dc, but it did not obey! *smile.
> > Sherri
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Joy Relton" <jrelton at verizon.net>
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:05 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Giving Commands to Canes
> >
> >
> >> So Marion,
> >>
> >> I'm curios, do either of  your canes respond to those commands any 
> >> better
> >> than mine does? I have threatened to put some sort of a sonar device on
> >> the
> >> darn thing so that I could find it, since I occasionally forget where I
> >> put
> >> it. Something I've never had to do with my dogs.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf
> >> Of Marion & Martin
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:28 AM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Subject: [nagdu] Giving Commands to Canes
> >>
> >>
> >> Tami,
> >>    I sure am glad to hear that Merry and I are not the only ones who 
> >> give
> >> commands to our canes! (smile) Not so much now, as I have been dogless
> >> for
> >> about one year, but when I was working my dog and needed (or wanted) to
> >> use
> >> my cane, I know I told it "Forward!" or "Right!" more than once!
> >>
> >> Fraternally yours,
> >> Marion
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> >> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:15 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Explaining to parents that guide dogs are useful
> >>
> >>
> >>> Julie,
> >>>
> >>> A week or so ago when Mitzi was at the groomers, I was doing some
> >>> shopping and stuff with my cane.  I walked into one store and stopped,
> >>> remembering that it is confusing in sound and in layout because of
> >>> counters and bins between the door and the aisles.  I simply could not
> >>> remember how to get past that to the aisle I wanted to find.  I was
> >>> with DD, who was looking for an assistance to show us where to go, but
> >>> I wanted to solve the problem on my own and get there with my cane.
> >>>
> >>> The solution finally hit me!  I looked at my cane and commanded it,
> >>> "Find the bones!"  /lol/
> >>>
> >>> Well, that is usually how I find that aisle.  Mitzi loves to find
> >>> things, especially when it's something for her.
> >>>
> >>> Cane not so good at find.  /grin/
> >>>
> >>> Tami Smith-Kinney
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>> Behalf Of Julie J
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:49 PM
> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Explaining to parents that guide dogs are useful
> >>>
> >>> I don't have any ideas on your college dormitory questions.  I have
> >>> had to deal with the ,"but you travel so well, why do you need a
> >>> dog?", argument. Unfortunately there is a perception that you have to
> >>> be perpetually lost in
> >>> order to benefit from a dog.   I am a very good cane traveler, but a 
> >>> dog
> >>> is
> >>> still my preferred means of mobility.  I like that I can teach the dog
> >>> all sorts of additional things that a cane simply can't do.  I can
> >>> teach the dog
> >>>
> >>> to find a counter, vehicle, chair and frequently used locations. I
> >>> definitely feel that travel is easier with a dog, at least it is after
> >>> the initial bumps get worked out. *smile*
> >>>
> >>> I just wanted to say that I can empathize with folks not understanding
> >>> why you might want a dog when you can travel without one.  It's
> >>> frustrating and I haven't figured out what to say that has made any
> >>> difference.  I'm not sure a person could understand until experiencing
> >>> it first hand.
> >>>
> >>> My best advice is to keep talking to your parents.  It may just take
> >>> them some time to warm up to the idea.  It is a big change.  Or you
> >>> may need to wait a couple of years until you are at a place in your
> >>> life where you are able to make your own decisions.
> >>>
> >>> Good luck,
> >>> Julie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> >>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:58 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Explaining to parents that guide dogs are useful
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks all of you for your suggestions. I like both the Seeing Eye,
> >>>> and GDB. Ware as I live in MA the Seeing Eye is a lot closer. I am a
> >>>> junior in
> >>>
> >>>> high school so I haven't yet decided what college I will be
> >>>> attending. What I do know, is I want to be in a big city with access
> >>>> to a good public
> >>>
> >>>> transit network such as the MBTA. I currently take the T to and from
> >>>> places all over Boston using my cane. Because of this independence I
> >>>> am having difficulty explaining to my parents that a dog would only
> >>>> enhance it making me a more competent, safer, and faster traveler.
> >>>> Have any of you
> >>>
> >>>> ever experienced complaints about your dog either shedding or
> >>>> smelling bad? Is this a problem with roommates in college? Like most
> >>>> teenagers my room is never clean for long, but it is never that
> >>>> messy. I always take excellent care of all my equipment, and don't
> >>>> see how the maintenance of a
> >>>
> >>>> dog will be a problem. My parents seem to have concerns of how I will
> >>>> maintain a dog in college. Any thoughts?
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> >>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
> >>>> Users'"
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:29 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Explaining to parents that guide dogs are useful
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> First, where are you located? Maybe there is a guide program in your
> >>>>> area
> >>>>> which would allow you to sort of host a dog for sometime until the
> >>>>> guide
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> matched up with a handler. This would help to introduce your parents
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> concepts  and strength having a guide could and would lend to your
> >>>>> life.
> >>>>> You
> >>>>> could also let them know that their role in your life is to make you
> >>>>> as
> >>>>> completely independent as possible and that the introduction of a
> >>>>> guide
> >>>>> dog
> >>>>> into your life would do just that. you could also play on their
> >>>>> sympathies
> >>>>> by letting them know you are looking to be able to walk 
> >>>>> independently
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> friends and thereby depend less on their eyes and more so on your 
> >>>>> own
> >>>>> senses
> >>>>> coupled with the security and independence a guide would lend to 
> >>>>> your
> >>>>> life.
> >>>>> Where are you intending on going to college? If you are hoping to go
> >>>>> away,
> >>>>> your parents would need to understand  that a guide would help you 
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> move
> >>>>> swiftly and securely through a campus ensuring your timely 
> >>>>> attendance
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> all
> >>>>> your classes. Again, maybe a talk with a teacher/principal  might 
> >>>>> help
> >>>>> advance your crusade.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> >>>>> CEO/Founder
> >>>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> >>>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> >>>>> New York, New York  10004
> >>>>> www.myblindspot.org
> >>>>> PH: 917-553-0347
> >>>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
> >>>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one
> >>>>> who is doing it."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>>>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:11 PM
> >>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Explaining to parents that guide dogs are 
> >>>>> useful
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dan W,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My mom claims to be terrified of dogs, but yet we have a pet dog.
> >>>>> My parents claim that a guide dog will smell, then I point out that
> >>>>> if you take
> >>>>>
> >>>>> care of it properly it won't. Then I point out people we know with
> >>>>> guide dogs that don't smell. My dad's response to this is to tell
> >>>>> this story of his friend's son's roommate's friend had a roommate
> >>>>> with a smelly guide dog.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This happened so long ago, and is so far removed from the situation
> >>>>> that I can't see how it possibly has any bearing on the current
> >>>>> situation. Also that story is so convoluted that is impossible to
> >>>>> verify. And the argument
> >>>>> goes on and on Ad nauseam. It is getting to the point that I think
> >>>>> they
> >>>>> are
> >>>>> just attempting to exorcize there ability to make arbitrary 
> >>>>> decisions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> >>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
> >>>>> Users'"
> >>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:33 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Explaining to parents that guide dogs are 
> >>>>> useful
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Well, first question is "Is the reason your parents don't support
> >>>>>> your idea of getting a dog that they don't like dogs?"--smile.
> >>>>>> Second of all, what is your parents objection, I mean presumably
> >>>>>> you're
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> one who's blind so maybe you might know a little better than they 
> >>>>>> do
> >>>>>> whether
> >>>>>> a dog would enhance your lifestyle or not.
> >>>>>> I'm fortunate that by the time I wanted a dog, my parents had 
> >>>>>> figured
> >>>>>> out
> >>>>>> I'd pretty much do what I wanted without permission, so my Dad just
> >>>>>> asked
> >>>>>> one or two feeble questions and then left it alone.
> >>>>>> He asked "Are you sure a dog will be worth the trouble, how do you
> >>>>>> know
> >>>>>> it'll work out."
> >>>>>> I explained that, never having a dog, a guide dog, that is,  I'd 
> >>>>>> need
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> find it out for myself and I really wanted to take care of the dog
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> was
> >>>>>> ready.
> >>>>>> When I got home, he admired the dog enormously. But he asked the
> >>>>>> second
> >>>>>> day
> >>>>>> back home if the dog really had to go out with us to breakfast. I
> >>>>>> said
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>> did, when he seemed to balk I said "I love you Dad, and enjoy going
> >>>>>> out,
> >>>>>> but
> >>>>>> this is important to me and if you don't want my guide dog than I'm
> >>>>>> afraid
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> won't be going".
> >>>>>> Dead silence ensued, and the issue never came up again.  As a
> >>>>>> matter of fact, my Dad adopted my first hound after he retired and
> >>>>>> loved him. The dog, Grant, even went to my Dad's funeral's
> >>>>>> The only thing I wasn't really ready for was the access issues. 
> >>>>>> Being
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> brilliant young man I was--smile--it never occurred to me that 
> >>>>>> people
> >>>>>> would
> >>>>>> have issues with a dog, I mean access issues to public places.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So, tell us more what the problem is and we'll be happy to talk
> >>>>>> about it. There are some folks on this list who can be very good
> >>>>>> role models and mentors, I wish there had been such a list when I
> >>>>>> started out.  But, then
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> don't think there were such things as computer lists--smile.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Good luck
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dan W. and the Carter Dog
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>>>>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:17 PM
> >>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Explaining to parents that guide dogs are useful
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello list,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am new to this list, and I am thinking of getting a guide dog for
> >>>>>> when
> >>>
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> go to college. The only problem I am having is convincing my
> >>>>>> parents that a
> >>>>>> guide dog is a useful mobility tool.  As you can probably guess, 
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> is
> >>>
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> large obstacle. I am currently in high school, so I have to abide
> >>>>>> by my parent's wishes, or at least for now. What I am asking for is
> >>>>>> how best to explain to them, that guide dogs are useful mobility
> >>>>>> tools, that will enhance my independence rather than detract from
> >>>>>> it. I have given them literature, DVDs and have attempted to talk
> >>>>>> to them. Any instructional materiel finds its way into the circular
> >>>>>> file, and they change the subject
> >>>>>> when I talk to them. Any and all suggestions are welcome.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>> Mark
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