[nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security

Tue Jul 20 17:34:00 UTC 2010

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brandy Dawn Jenkins" <dawn0713 at comcast.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security

>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chasity Jackson <chasityvanda at charter.net>
> Sent: Saturday, 17 July, 2010 21:36
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security
>
> In the event that we get a security member who insists that we remove the
> dog's gear, how can we affectively argue the point. Perhaps saying, "The
> regulations don't require me to do that," wouldn't be enough...And you 
> know
> how people can sometimes be, if you ask for their supervisor, they are
> conveniently not available, so the staff member claims.
>
> I live in St. Louis and have never had a problem with airport security, 
> but
> was just wondering what is the most affective way to handle it in the 
> event
> it arises.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlene Ota" <caota at hawaii.rr.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security
>
>
> > That is really asking too much and putting you at risk for your dog
> > running
> > off!
> >
> > As for the pouch with the poop bags and the like, well, my boy gets a 
> > bit
> > agitated when they start digging in that pouch, I  think he'd probably 
> > get
> > rather upset if they actually removed that pouch from his harness and
> > tried
> > to confiscate it. I'd probably definitely know about it if that 
> > happened!
> > (smile!) Wonder what they'd even want with a pouch with poop bags 
> > anyway.
> > Never know about these security types, do you.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> > Behalf
> > Of Pawpower Creations
> > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:28 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security
> >
> > This is very true.  By law they can not ask you to remove the dogs gear.
> > Both Rox and I have experienced this, and we refused to remove either 
> > the
> > harness or cape.  We have had some interesting experiences in security,
> > but
> > so far they have not tried to force us to remove the gear.  Asking you 
> > to
> > remove the leash and collar is totally wrong.  In fact I would contact 
> > the
> > person in charge of airport security and report the incident and explain
> > the
> > law.  If some one else on this list has information on how the law reads
> > that would be good.  I would be interested in knowing, and I will do 
> > some
> > research and try and find out as well.
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Susan Jones" <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 5:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security
> >
> >
> >> Julie and listers,
> >> You should never even take your dog's harness off.
> >> What if you were traveling alone, and your dog decided to make a run 
> >> for
> >> it,
> >> have an adventure?
> >>
> >> I know there are people on this list who can verify that the 
> >> regulations
> >> do
> >> not require removal of the harness, let alone leash and collar.
> >>
> >> I had no difficulty on either end going to National Convention.
> >> Though I have had variances, such as people asking that we go through
> >> together, and they pat us both down, this is what I usually do:
> >> Have my dog sit at the door, make a long leash, go through first, and
> >> then
> >> call her.
> >> They will then call a guard to pat the dog down.  I have never been 
> >> asked
> >> to
> >> remove the harness.
> >> The worst thing that happened is that once, they confiscated the little
> >> poop
> >> patrol container that had plastic bags inside for pickup.  I didn't
> >> realize
> >> it until we were on the plane.  Not worth bothering about.
> >>
> >> Susan & Rhoda
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf
> >> Of Julie McGinnity
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 6:17 PM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Subject: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security
> >>
> >> Hi everyone.  I hope you are having a nice weekend.
> >>
> >> I just got back from a week long trip to Philadelphia this morning.
> >> At the airport both going there and coming back something weird 
> >> happened
> >> in
> >> airport security.  I am wondering if there are some policies I don't 
> >> know
> >> about, or if the people were really doing something wrong.
> >>
> >> Last Sunday I traveled from St. Louis to Philadelphia.  When we got to
> >> airport security, I took the dog's harness off and put it with my purse
> >> and
> >> everything on the conveyerbelt.  I made her sit and stay while I went
> >> through and then called her after I was out.  She came right to me, and
> >> of
> >> course she made the thing beep because of her leash and collar.  I just
> >> waited at this point because this is what always happens, and someone
> >> always
> >> comes to pat the dog down.  The last 2 times I have traveled it 
> >> happened
> >> this way.  Instead of coming over to pat the dog down, they asked me if 
> >> I
> >> could take her leash and collar off and make her go back through.  I 
> >> said
> >> that I would really prefer not to do that, and I said that I don't mind
> >> if
> >> they need to pat her down because that's what usually happens.  They 
> >> then
> >> asked me again to take off the leash and collar.  I didn't know how to
> >> argue
> >> with them further, so I just did what they said.  I took off the leash
> >> and
> >> collar and let my mother call her back through.  Thankfully, she was 
> >> very
> >> good.  I think she thought the whole thing was a game.  She went 
> >> through
> >> without her stuff on, and it didn't go off, and she came right to me. 
> >> It
> >> was very hard to get a handle on her though without her stuff, and the
> >> security people had taken her leash and collar, so it wasn't like I 
> >> could
> >> just put it back on her.  I had to wait for them to scan it, which 
> >> meant
> >> I
> >> had to hold on to her awkwardly and walk to where the stuff was going 
> >> to
> >> come out.  Brie was very good, but the whole process annoyed me.  I 
> >> don't
> >> understand why they couldn't just pat the dog down.  That's what 
> >> happened
> >> when I flew to and from Dallas.  It seemed to work fine.  I know how to
> >> take
> >> my dog through security.  They tought us at guide dog school.
> >>
> >> When I flew back to St. Louis this morning I experienced a similar 
> >> thing
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