[nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security

Wed Jul 21 16:29:01 UTC 2010

Steve,

 I believe Dawn Jenkins is the President of the Staunton chapter
of the NFB in Virginia - perhaps someone can give her a call. 

   -----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Steve Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:15 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security

Could someone i.e. list moderator and list owner check to see if
this person is an actual subscriber to NAGDU?  If I am correct,
this forward or reply has not changed at all with the exception
of the name which is now Dawn instead of Brandy.  I am going to
block it on my computer just to be safe as it is just weird as we
continuously get this same message lacking any narrative or
response from the sender whomever it is.  Anyone know this
person?

Thanks,
Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Dawn Jenkins
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:06 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security

-----Original Message-----
From: Chasity Jackson <chasityvanda at charter.net>
Sent: Saturday, 17 July, 2010 21:36
To: NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog
Users
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security

In the event that we get a security member who insists that we
remove the dog's gear, how can we affectively argue the point.
Perhaps saying, "The regulations don't require me to do that,"
wouldn't be enough...And you know how people can sometimes be, if
you ask for their supervisor, they are conveniently not
available, so the staff member claims.

I live in St. Louis and have never had a problem with airport
security, but was just wondering what is the most affective way
to handle it in the event it arises.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlene Ota" <caota at hawaii.rr.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security

> That is really asking too much and putting you at risk for your
dog 
> running off!
>
> As for the pouch with the poop bags and the like, well, my boy
gets a 
> bit agitated when they start digging in that pouch, I  think
he'd 
> probably get rather upset if they actually removed that pouch
from his 
> harness and tried to confiscate it. I'd probably definitely
know about 
> it if that happened!
> (smile!) Wonder what they'd even want with a pouch with poop
bags anyway.
> Never know about these security types, do you.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Pawpower Creations
> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:28 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security
>
> This is very true.  By law they can not ask you to remove the
dogs gear.
> Both Rox and I have experienced this, and we refused to remove
either 
> the harness or cape.  We have had some interesting experiences
in 
> security, but so far they have not tried to force us to remove
the 
> gear.  Asking you to remove the leash and collar is totally
wrong.  In 
> fact I would contact the person in charge of airport security
and 
> report the incident and explain the law.  If some one else on
this 
> list has information on how the law reads that would be good.
I would 
> be interested in knowing, and I will do some research and try
and find 
> out as well.
>
>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Jones" <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security
>
>
>> Julie and listers,
>> You should never even take your dog's harness off.
>> What if you were traveling alone, and your dog decided to make
a run 
>> for it, have an adventure?
>>
>> I know there are people on this list who can verify that the 
>> regulations do not require removal of the harness, let alone
leash 
>> and collar.
>>
>> I had no difficulty on either end going to National
Convention.
>> Though I have had variances, such as people asking that we go
through 
>> together, and they pat us both down, this is what I usually
do:
>> Have my dog sit at the door, make a long leash, go through
first, and 
>> then call her.
>> They will then call a guard to pat the dog down.  I have never
been 
>> asked to remove the harness.
>> The worst thing that happened is that once, they confiscated
the 
>> little poop patrol container that had plastic bags inside for
pickup.
>> I didn't realize it until we were on the plane.  Not worth
bothering 
>> about.
>>
>> Susan & Rhoda
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Julie McGinnity
>> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 6:17 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security
>>
>> Hi everyone.  I hope you are having a nice weekend.
>>
>> I just got back from a week long trip to Philadelphia this
morning.
>> At the airport both going there and coming back something
weird 
>> happened in airport security.  I am wondering if there are
some 
>> policies I don't know about, or if the people were really
doing 
>> something wrong.
>>
>> Last Sunday I traveled from St. Louis to Philadelphia.  When
we got 
>> to airport security, I took the dog's harness off and put it
with my 
>> purse and everything on the conveyerbelt.  I made her sit and
stay 
>> while I went through and then called her after I was out.  She
came 
>> right to me, and of course she made the thing beep because of
her 
>> leash and collar.  I just waited at this point because this is
what 
>> always happens, and someone always comes to pat the dog down.
The 
>> last 2 times I have traveled it happened this way.  Instead of
coming 
>> over to pat the dog down, they asked me if I could take her
leash and 
>> collar off and make her go back through.  I said that I would
really 
>> prefer not to do that, and I said that I don't mind if they
need to 
>> pat her down because that's what usually happens.  They then
asked me 
>> again to take off the leash and collar.  I didn't know how to
argue 
>> with them further, so I just did what they said.  I took off
the 
>> leash and collar and let my mother call her back through.
>> Thankfully, she was very good.  I think she thought the whole
thing 
>> was a game.  She went through without her stuff on, and it
didn't go 
>> off, and she came right to me.  It was very hard to get a
handle on 
>> her though without her stuff, and the security people had
taken her 
>> leash and collar, so it wasn't like I could just put it back
on her.
>> I had to wait for them to scan it, which meant I had to hold
on to 
>> her awkwardly and walk to where the stuff was going to come
out.
>> Brie was very good, but the whole process annoyed me.  I don't

>> understand why they couldn't just pat the dog down.  That's
what 
>> happened when I flew to and from Dallas.  It seemed to work
fine.  I 
>> know how to take my dog through security.  They tought us at
guide 
>> dog school.
>>
>> When I flew back to St. Louis this morning I experienced a
similar 
>> thing
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