[nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security

Wed Jul 21 16:40:03 UTC 2010

Steve,

Good questions!  I don't know her, either, but am trying to find out...  Or
trying to figure out what the problem is and how to solve it if she *is* a
real person who wants to talk to us.  /smile/

Tami Smith-Kinney

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Steve Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:15 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security

Could someone i.e. list moderator and list owner check to see if this person
is an actual subscriber to NAGDU?  If I am correct, this forward or reply
has not changed at all with the exception of the name which is now Dawn
instead of Brandy.  I am going to block it on my computer just to be safe as
it is just weird as we continuously get this same message lacking any
narrative or response from the sender whomever it is.  Anyone know this
person?

Thanks,
Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Dawn Jenkins
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:06 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security

-----Original Message-----
From: Chasity Jackson <chasityvanda at charter.net>
Sent: Saturday, 17 July, 2010 21:36
To: NAGDU Mailing List,	the National Association of Guide Dog Users
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security

In the event that we get a security member who insists that we remove the
dog's gear, how can we affectively argue the point. Perhaps saying, "The
regulations don't require me to do that," wouldn't be enough...And you know
how people can sometimes be, if you ask for their supervisor, they are
conveniently not available, so the staff member claims.

I live in St. Louis and have never had a problem with airport security, but
was just wondering what is the most affective way to handle it in the event
it arises.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlene Ota" <caota at hawaii.rr.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security

> That is really asking too much and putting you at risk for your dog 
> running off!
>
> As for the pouch with the poop bags and the like, well, my boy gets a 
> bit agitated when they start digging in that pouch, I  think he'd 
> probably get rather upset if they actually removed that pouch from his 
> harness and tried to confiscate it. I'd probably definitely know about 
> it if that happened!
> (smile!) Wonder what they'd even want with a pouch with poop bags anyway.
> Never know about these security types, do you.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Pawpower Creations
> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:28 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security
>
> This is very true.  By law they can not ask you to remove the dogs gear.
> Both Rox and I have experienced this, and we refused to remove either 
> the harness or cape.  We have had some interesting experiences in 
> security, but so far they have not tried to force us to remove the 
> gear.  Asking you to remove the leash and collar is totally wrong.  In 
> fact I would contact the person in charge of airport security and 
> report the incident and explain the law.  If some one else on this 
> list has information on how the law reads that would be good.  I would 
> be interested in knowing, and I will do some research and try and find 
> out as well.
>
>
> Best wishes from the Pawpower pack!
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>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Jones" <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security
>
>
>> Julie and listers,
>> You should never even take your dog's harness off.
>> What if you were traveling alone, and your dog decided to make a run 
>> for it, have an adventure?
>>
>> I know there are people on this list who can verify that the 
>> regulations do not require removal of the harness, let alone leash 
>> and collar.
>>
>> I had no difficulty on either end going to National Convention.
>> Though I have had variances, such as people asking that we go through 
>> together, and they pat us both down, this is what I usually do:
>> Have my dog sit at the door, make a long leash, go through first, and 
>> then call her.
>> They will then call a guard to pat the dog down.  I have never been 
>> asked to remove the harness.
>> The worst thing that happened is that once, they confiscated the 
>> little poop patrol container that had plastic bags inside for pickup.  
>> I didn't realize it until we were on the plane.  Not worth bothering 
>> about.
>>
>> Susan & Rhoda
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Julie McGinnity
>> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 6:17 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] Guide dogs and airport security
>>
>> Hi everyone.  I hope you are having a nice weekend.
>>
>> I just got back from a week long trip to Philadelphia this morning.
>> At the airport both going there and coming back something weird 
>> happened in airport security.  I am wondering if there are some 
>> policies I don't know about, or if the people were really doing 
>> something wrong.
>>
>> Last Sunday I traveled from St. Louis to Philadelphia.  When we got 
>> to airport security, I took the dog's harness off and put it with my 
>> purse and everything on the conveyerbelt.  I made her sit and stay 
>> while I went through and then called her after I was out.  She came 
>> right to me, and of course she made the thing beep because of her 
>> leash and collar.  I just waited at this point because this is what 
>> always happens, and someone always comes to pat the dog down.  The 
>> last 2 times I have traveled it happened this way.  Instead of coming 
>> over to pat the dog down, they asked me if I could take her leash and 
>> collar off and make her go back through.  I said that I would really 
>> prefer not to do that, and I said that I don't mind if they need to 
>> pat her down because that's what usually happens.  They then asked me 
>> again to take off the leash and collar.  I didn't know how to argue 
>> with them further, so I just did what they said.  I took off the 
>> leash and collar and let my mother call her back through.  
>> Thankfully, she was very good.  I think she thought the whole thing 
>> was a game.  She went through without her stuff on, and it didn't go 
>> off, and she came right to me.  It was very hard to get a handle on 
>> her though without her stuff, and the security people had taken her 
>> leash and collar, so it wasn't like I could just put it back on her.  
>> I had to wait for them to scan it, which meant I had to hold on to 
>> her awkwardly and walk to where the stuff was going to come out.  
>> Brie was very good, but the whole process annoyed me.  I don't 
>> understand why they couldn't just pat the dog down.  That's what 
>> happened when I flew to and from Dallas.  It seemed to work fine.  I 
>> know how to take my dog through security.  They tought us at guide 
>> dog school.
>>
>> When I flew back to St. Louis this morning I experienced a similar 
>> thing
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