[nagdu] being reported to your school

Sat Jul 31 04:45:17 UTC 2010

Marsha,

Then, there is the issue that takes the idea of abuse in a slightly
different direction in that of it not being a directly physical type, but
the issue of weight.  Is this abuse, mistreatment, neglect?  This does
financially cost guide dog agencies, as the turn around time for an
individual who does not take carae of their dog is much less and therefore
instead of working it's anticipated years, those are cut short due to this
as the physical strain on these dogs causes much more significant physical
issues thus the greater potential for early retirement.  When these dogs are
issued, they are at their ideal weight, and if anyone would suggest that the
dog still has growing to do, this would cause some concern.  I believe we
tend to view abuse not to include something such as improper weight
management which I do believe needs to be considered in this continuum of
abuse/neglect/mistreatment.

JMHO
Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Marsha Drenth
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 8:38 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: [nagdu] being reported to your school

This is a very very interesting discussion. I have a SE pup, and I have even
been reported to SE. And no I do not abuse my pup, never have, never could,
never would. The person who reported me, had never had anything to do with
guides, nor did have a guide. He perceived to be what I was doing was wrong.
It was completely stupid, and the school told him so. 

So what I am saying, even those handlers who are good handlers get reported.
That does not mean I should not have a dog, or that my school should come
and take my dog away. I like that I have ownership of my pup. 

Its always going to be sticky, because what one person see as right, another
will see as wrong. So I urge all, to really, consider what they consider
abuse before reporting anyone. 

Marsha

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jordan Frances Ortiz
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 7:36 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising

Yes people can lie on reports, but without ownership the school the dog is
from can coem in at any point to take the dog back.  for example (true but
without names0  I know someone who has been reported multiple times to his
guide dog school (one of those times b eing me) for abusing his dog.  Again
he may be abusive he may just bee seen wrong but the school cant do much
about it because they gave him ownership.  Maybe it would help maybe it
wouldn't but these are just my thoughts.

Jordan and Viola

The Pawpower Pack wrote:
> Dan and all,
>
> I agree that making a good impression is very subjective.  What one 
> person sees as "mistreatment" another sees as "interacting with their 
> dog."
> I have heard about people getting upset when a person gave a leash 
> correction.  Someone got very angry with me upon seeing me give my dog 
> a click and a treat at the corner.  They were of the mindset that food 
> is bad for a dog who is working and in their eyes I was acting very 
> irresponsibly.  To me, it's just how I work with my dogs.  As for the 
> ID issue, they are worth as much as the paper they're printed on.  I 
> can go into Kinkos and make up and ID which is as professional looking 
> as that issued by any program.  It would probably make my life easier 
> if I did, at least in some respects.  When handlers go around flashing 
> their ID to make it easier for them, it gives the business owner the 
> idea that they have the right to ask for one from the next handler and 
> that they should expect the handler to provide said documentation upon 
> request.  I've had to disabuse many business owners of this notion.
> When people flash that ID, they may be making it easier for 
> themselves, but they make it harder for the next person coming after 
> you.  They are also sending a message that asking and expecting the 
> next handler to provide this documentation is perfectly legal and 
> acceptable.
>
> Also, an abusive person can have ID and fill out vet reports to their 
> hearts content.  That proves nothing except that they're good at 
> filling out forms.  If I'm beating up my dog, I'm hardly going to 
> admit that on the vet form.
> Rox and the Herbal HenchHounds
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
> "It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point 
> out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a 
> half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor."-- Neil Gaiman 
> http://www.pawpowercreations.com/retreat.html
> pawpower4me at gmail.com
> AIM: Brissysgirl
>
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