[nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising

[Meghan Whalen]

I honestly don't know if Seeing Eye has ever done anything like that, but I 
do know that other schools with similar ownership policies have done so. 
The grads then simply purchased harnesses made by another company and 
continued to work their dogs.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jordan Frances Ortiz" <ortizj32 at students.rowan.edu>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising


> Yeah that is true for seeing eye, but are other schools atarting this too? 
> I know that when we retire our dogs from TSE we give back the harnesses, 
> so they can come and take it when ever.  Have they ever sued this to do a 
> forced retirement?
>
>
> Meghan Whalen wrote:
>> Unfortunately, they can take the harness, because it says it is property 
>> of the school, and it is numbered.  The papers signed when graduating, at 
>> least from seeing Eye state that we gain ownership of our dogs, but the 
>> school retains ownership of the harness.  If you don't want the potential 
>> of it being taken, I hear there are some wonderful harnesses being made 
>> out there.
>>
>> Meghan
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan Frances Ortiz" 
>> <ortizj32 at students.rowan.edu>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 9:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising
>>
>>
>>> I didn't know that theschools are talking about taking harnesses back. 
>>> thats an interestingly wrong idea.  that is stealing and I would love to 
>>> know how they plan on doing that.
>>> In my case of reportingI was there and it was more of a case of there 
>>> was a gtroup of us and all of us witnessed it.  I did the reporting but 
>>> I had many people backing it up.  The person I'm talking about use to be 
>>> one of my close friends and he has been reported to our dog school more 
>>> then 13 times in the last year... and these are just times I know 
>>> about.. I just get frustrated soem times wishing that someone could do 
>>> something.
>>> Jordan and Viola
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan Weiner wrote:
>>>> I see your point, Jordan. But I don't think a school should have a 
>>>> right to
>>>> take a dog back, it should be police, animal control, etc.
>>>> A school isn't a police body, it's a training agency for guide dogs and 
>>>> for
>>>> the blind future guide dog users to learn how to work with a guide dog.
>>>> Also, just a word to the wise, I've heard of this shenanigan that the
>>>> schools are pulling now that if they for some reason don't feel you 
>>>> should
>>>> work the dog they'll come and take a harness.
>>>> In my book, you walk in to my home and take something it's called 
>>>> stealing,
>>>> even if you feel it belongs to you.  Due process of law should be 
>>>> followed.
>>>> And a question, what are the schools doing now if a blind person 
>>>> reports
>>>> abuse?
>>>> I know of one case where there was some evidence of abuse and two blind
>>>> people reported it, but apparently that school wouldn't take reports of
>>>> abuse from blind people.
>>>>
>>>> Dan W. and the Carter Nut
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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