[nagdu] being reported to your school

Sat Jul 31 19:05:19 UTC 2010

Marsha,
    the other side of this issue is what you stated about ownership. With 
those schools that do not provide ownership upon graduation, there is the 
risk that they could receive such a report and, without cause or due 
process, remove the dog from you. Those who think this just would not 
happen, I am here to tell you that it certainly does! As NAGDU President, I 
am in a position to hear about such maltreatment by some of the schools.
    My best advice is to choose a school that transfers ownership upon 
graduation! For those of us who have such an arrangement, the only way a 
school can remove the dog from us is through the due process of law! For 
those who do not have ownership, the school can arbitrarily remove the dog 
without cause and without due process. Even those of us who do own our dogs, 
though, can have the harnesses removed, as all schools retain ownership of 
the gear. For this reason, it is a good idea to have your own gear. Besides, 
the gear from Paw Power Creations is so cool, lightweight, available in 
different colors and, because it is made of nylon, is not subject to the 
deterioration the elements cause to leather gear!

fraternally yours,
Marion Gwizdala


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 9:37 PM
Subject: [nagdu] being reported to your school


> This is a very very interesting discussion. I have a SE pup, and I have 
> even
> been reported to SE. And no I do not abuse my pup, never have, never 
> could,
> never would. The person who reported me, had never had anything to do with
> guides, nor did have a guide. He perceived to be what I was doing was 
> wrong.
> It was completely stupid, and the school told him so.
>
> So what I am saying, even those handlers who are good handlers get 
> reported.
> That does not mean I should not have a dog, or that my school should come
> and take my dog away. I like that I have ownership of my pup.
>
> Its always going to be sticky, because what one person see as right, 
> another
> will see as wrong. So I urge all, to really, consider what they consider
> abuse before reporting anyone.
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Jordan Frances Ortiz
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 7:36 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising
>
> Yes people can lie on reports, but without ownership the school the dog
> is from can coem in at any point to take the dog back.  for example
> (true but without names0  I know someone who has been reported multiple
> times to his guide dog school (one of those times b eing me) for abusing
> his dog.  Again he may be abusive he may just bee seen wrong but the
> school cant do much about it because they gave him ownership.  Maybe it
> would help maybe it wouldn't but these are just my thoughts.
>
> Jordan and Viola
>
>
>
> The Pawpower Pack wrote:
>> Dan and all,
>>
>> I agree that making a good impression is very subjective.  What one
>> person sees as "mistreatment" another sees as "interacting with their
>> dog."
>> I have heard about people getting upset when a person gave a leash
>> correction.  Someone got very angry with me upon seeing me give my dog
>> a click and a treat at the corner.  They were of the mindset that food
>> is bad for a dog who is working and in their eyes I was acting very
>> irresponsibly.  To me, it's just how I work with my dogs.  As for the
>> ID issue, they are worth as much as the paper they're printed on.  I
>> can go into Kinkos and make up and ID which is as professional looking
>> as that issued by any program.  It would probably make my life easier
>> if I did, at least in some respects.  When handlers go around flashing
>> their ID to make it easier for them, it gives the business owner the
>> idea that they have the right to ask for one from the next handler and
>> that they should expect the handler to provide said documentation upon
>> request.  I've had to disabuse many business owners of this notion.
>> When people flash that ID, they may be making it easier for
>> themselves, but they make it harder for the next person coming after
>> you.  They are also sending a message that asking and expecting the
>> next handler to provide this documentation is perfectly legal and
>> acceptable.
>>
>> Also, an abusive person can have ID and fill out vet reports to their
>> hearts content.  That proves nothing except that they're good at
>> filling out forms.  If I'm beating up my dog, I'm hardly going to
>> admit that on the vet form.
>> Rox and the Herbal HenchHounds
>> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
>> "It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point
>> out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a
>> half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor."-- Neil Gaiman
>> http://www.pawpowercreations.com/retreat.html
>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> AIM: Brissysgirl
>>
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