[nagdu] Crosswalks, the White Cane Law, and Pedestrians in General

Wed Mar 24 03:55:33 UTC 2010

Rub it in!  /grin/

I know I wouldn't argue with your mobility tool!

Tami Smith-Kinney

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Marion Gwizdala
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 6:23 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crosswalks, the White Cane Law,and Pedestrians in
General

Mark,
    this is one good reason for having a 26", 95 lbs. German Shepherd as 
your choice of mobility tool! I would challenge anyone to try this with 
Sarge! (taunting smile)

Marion

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crosswalks, the White Cane Law, and Pedestrians in 
General

> In some parts of the city it would serve to get it taken away from you and

> broken across your face. Lol
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crosswalks, the White Cane Law,and Pedestrians in 
> General
>
>
>> Mark,
>>    Isn't a good smack to get the driver's attention "proper use" of a 
>> long white cane? (grin)
>>
>> Marion
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 3:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crosswalks, the White Cane Law, and Pedestrians in 
>> General
>>
>>
>>> If you are using a cane properly there should be no damage dun to the 
>>> cars. Especially not to the hood.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "David Baker" <david at bakerinet.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crosswalks, the White Cane Law,and Pedestrians in 
>>> General
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jewel, the laws vary by state.  In Georgia, for instance, drivers are 
>>>> required
>>>> to stop for all pedestrians at all crosswalks (anywhere a street enters

>>>> or
>>>> crosses another street, if there are no markings).  The law is not 
>>>> followed in
>>>> practice and one would have to be insane to rely upon it.  I have been 
>>>> known to
>>>> whack cars very hard in situations such as yours.  This, however, 
>>>> upsets my wife
>>>> terribly.  She is convinced that I am going to have someone jump out of

>>>> a nice
>>>> Ferrari, Lincoln, or ...  and shoot me, or pummel me to a pulp.  (On 
>>>> the other
>>>> hand, wisely or not, my roller tip has left some very impressive dents 
>>>> in some
>>>> very expensive cars.)  Since some of my generalized anger about having 
>>>> RP has
>>>> abated and I still have some central vision left, I now just raise my 
>>>> cane and
>>>> point it directly at the driver has he or she whizzes by.  ('Some 
>>>> satisfaction
>>>> there, but no where near as cathartic as a good hard whack on the 
>>>> hood.)
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> Jewel S.
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:36 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Crosswalks, the White Cane Law, and Pedestrians in 
>>>> General
>>>>
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>> The conversation about the White Cane Laws prompted a thought in my 
>>>> mind. I know
>>>> that pedestrians, especially those with a white cane or guide dog, must

>>>> be given
>>>> the right of way in crosswalks in intersections, and it was my 
>>>> understanding
>>>> that anywhere a blind person steps into the road they are to be given 
>>>> the right
>>>> of way for their safety. Please correct me if I'm wrong (I know it 
>>>> varies from
>>>> state to state; I'm in North Carolina).
>>>>
>>>> Now, my question is, what are the laws for crosswalks in general? Are 
>>>> all
>>>> pedestrians given right of way in a crosswalk? What about a crosswalk 
>>>> where
>>>> there is no light? For example, in a shopping center in Raleigh, there 
>>>> is a
>>>> crosswalk across a street in the shopping area that most people don't 
>>>> use
>>>> because cars never give right-of-way to any pedestrians. I decided to 
>>>> give it a
>>>> shot yesterday because I needed to quickly get from one bus stop on one

>>>> side to
>>>> the other bus stop on the exact oppposite side. I stuck out my cane, 
>>>> but it was
>>>> ignored, of course. I waited until there was a break in traffic, and 
>>>> stepped
>>>> out, at my usual pace for crossing, which is slow by normal standards 
>>>> as I don't
>>>> walk fast. So as I was walking across, one car, then another, drove 
>>>> directly in
>>>> front of me across the crosswalk, with no thought of stopping or even 
>>>> slowing
>>>> down. A third car came within a few feet of me. As I was almost across,

>>>> a car
>>>> did stop for me, but I wonder if it was only because I was directly in 
>>>> his path?
>>>>
>>>> What are the laws about these crosswalks in areas with a lot of 
>>>> pedestrians? A
>>>> crosswalk with no crosswalk light and/or not at an intersection? What 
>>>> about an
>>>> intersection with no crosswalk? Anyone know where to find these laws? I

>>>> have
>>>> some ideas how to get involved in correcting these problems, if my 
>>>> assumption is
>>>> correct that the lack of a light does not excus lack of yielding. Is 
>>>> this
>>>> correct?
>>>>
>>>> Wondering,
>>>> Jewel
>>>>
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