[nagdu] Thread Closed!
Marion Gwizdala
blind411 at verizon.net
Wed Mar 24 21:23:17 UTC 2010
Dear All,
I am making an executive decision here and declaring the thread of the
White Cane Law and all associated topics on it closed!
Marion Gwizdala
this thread>I am going to stick my neck out here, and it is possible going
to get cut off. We are not talking about walking across the Long Island
Expressway here, or I-95 in Florida, we are talking about cross an
intersection like one in the city, or second avenue by me which is a 2 lane
road or maybe one like a four lane road. We are not talking driving 65 mph
where it is hard to stop, but we know that on these roads they do drive this
way and should be getting tickets for speeding.
>
> The car driving 35 mph or less, should have enough time to slow down
> especially at a cross walk, if they are paying any kind of attention like
> they are supposed to, whether we have a cross walk or crossing in the
> middle of the road because the cross walk is 2 miles away.
>
> Drivers are driving a moving vehicle, they are supposed to be in control
> of the vehicle if they cannot be they will be fined. If they hit someone
> blind, sighted, one eye one horned flying purple people eater (grin), the
> driver needs to watch the road, the driver can either slow down or can try
> and avoid if at all possible by swerving now that may not be possible
> since there could be on going traffic, but you are saying we are partially
> responsible like a no fault accident, which means no one as fault in a car
> accident, which both parties are responsible for there cars and injuries.
>
> Bur on a side note to all of this. a Yield is to slow down when the light
> turns yellow or prior to making a sharp turn and not speed up when the
> light turns yellow before it turns red, or taking the turn at the same 65
> mph instead of slowing down to make that turn.
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marion Gwizdala<mailto:blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crosswalks, the White Cane Law,and Pedestrians in
> General
>
>
> Albert,
> I am still unclear about how you expect a vehicle traveling at any
> speed
> to be able to immediately stop when a pedestrian, whether blind or
> sighted,
> steps out into traffic. It seems as if you would not only change the
> traffic
> laws but the laws of physics. Newton's first law of motion states, "An
> object in motion will stay in motion unless an outside force acts upon
> it!"
> and his third law of motion, "For every action there is an equal and
> opposite reaction!" Blind guy steps in front of car - crash! The driver
> is
> not at fault!
>
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Albert J Rizzi"
> <albert at myblindspot.org<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org>>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 6:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crosswalks, the White Cane Law, and Pedestrians in
> General
>
>
> >I think you are right to inform and educate the law enforcement
> officials
> >on
> > this key issue. The law is the law, and until the law is properly
> enforced
> > and exercised we all of us will be at risk for near death and or
> > crippling
> > outcomes. I do feel the law is clear, when ever a blind pedestrian
> steps
> > into the crosswalk or into traffic in the ideal world all traffic would
> > and
> > should stop. But until the education and dissemination of these laws
> > happens, you are taking your life in your hands which is what I think
> > others
> > are alluding to when speaking of our contribution to avoiding such
> > accidents and how it would be twisted in a court of law should push
> come
> > to
> > shove. The laws are clear to me in north Carolina and it is clear to me
> > and
> > to you that the traffic should stop immediately, good luck shifting
> > perceptions in your town. Make it happen.
> >
> > Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
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> > doing it."
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>
> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Jewel S.
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:40 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crosswalks, the White Cane Law,and Pedestrians in
> > General
> >
> > This is what I found on North Carolina's White Cane Laws (part of the
> > generalized Pedestrian Laws, which gives pedestrians right of way at a
> > corsswalk not controlled by a crosswalk light or traffic light):
> >
> > "Part 11A. Blind Pedestrians - White Canes or Guide Dogs.
> >
> > "Section 20-175-1. Public use of white canes by other than blind
> > persons prohibited.
> > it shall be unlawful for any person, except one who is wholly or
> > partially blind, to carry or use on any street or highway, or in any
> > other public place, a cane or walking stick which is white in color or
> > white tipped with red. (1949, c. 324, s. 1.)
> >
> > "Section 20-175.2. Right-of-way at crossings, intersections and
> > traffic-control signal points; white cane or guide dog to serve as
> > signal for the blind.
> > At any street, road or highway crossing or intersection, where the
> > movement of traffic is not regulated by a traffic officer or by
> > traffic-control signals, any blind or partially blind pedestrian shall
> > be entitled to the right-of-way at such crossing or intersection, if
> > such blind or partially blind pedestrian shall extend before him at
> > arm's length a cane white in color or white tipped with red, or if
> > such person is accompanied by a guide dog. Upon receiving such a
> > signal, all vehicles at or approaching such intersection or crossing
> > shall come to a full stop, leaving a clear lane through which such
> > pedestrian may pass, and such vehicle shall remain stationary until
> > such blind or partially blind pedestrian has completed passage of such
> > crossing or intersection. At any street, road or highway crossing or
> > intersection, where the movement of traffic is regulated by
> > traffic-control signals, blind or partially blind pedestrians shall be
> > entitled to the right-of-way if such person having such cane or
> > accompanied by a guide dog shall be partly across such crossing or
> > intersection at the time the traffic-control signals change, and all
> > vehicles shall stop and remain stationary until such pedestrian has
> > completed passage across the intersection or crossing. (1949, c. 324,
> > s. 2.)
> >
> > "Section 20-175.3. Rights and privileges of blind persons without
> > white cane or guide dog.
> > Nothing contained in this Part shall be construed to deprive any blind
> > or partially blind person not carrying a cane white in color or white
> > tipped with red, or being accompanied by a guide dog, of any of the
> > rights and privileges conferred by law upon pedestrians crossing
> > streets and highways, nor shall the failure of such blind or partially
> > blind person to carry a cane white in color or white tipped with red,
> > or to be accompanied by a guide dog, upon the streets, roads, highways
> > or sidewalks of this State, be held to constitute or be evidence of
> > contributory negligence by virtue of this Part. (1949, c. 324, s. 3.)"
> >
> > If I am reading this right, this means that if I extend my white cane
> > in front of me at arm's length at the crosswalk, all cars are to come
> > to a full stop until I am completely across. Am I reading this right?
> > If so, I need to talk to the ocal police about working to enforce this
> > law, because no one is actually following it, and I often have
> > difficulty getting across crosswalks even when the light is with me,
> > let alone at a crosswalk that is not controlled by a traffic light
> >
> > ~Jewel
> >
> > On 3/23/10, David Baker
> <david at bakerinet.com<mailto:david at bakerinet.com>> wrote:
> >> Good cane technique and good judgment would preclude using it as a
> >> weapon
> >> against a car.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>
> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf
> >> Of
> >> Mark J. Cadigan
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 3:30 PM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crosswalks, the White Cane Law,and Pedestrians in
> >> General
> >>
> >> If you are using a cane properly there should be no damage dun to the
> > cars.
> >> Especially not to the hood.
> >>
> >>
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